"We hate Donald Trump like you hated President Obama."

[CousinIT]

However, we hate Trump because he is racist, you hated Obama because you are racist.

https://twitter.com/DavidYankovich/status/802296178142547969

[blue cat]

1. I've told my trump loving family and friends

That I plan on complaining as much about trump as they did about Obama, since turn about is fair play.

[Thinkingabout]

20. Was told by a RW friend "we should give him a chance", I said I would, just like McConnell

did, going to do everything to make sure he is a one term president.

[LAS14]

21. I hope we model better behavior than Mitch McConnell!

Not to give Trump a pass on a single thing. But I don't want my party to reject possibly good actions (infrastructure, maybe? Compromise on Supreme Court maybe?) just because Trump leads the GOP. That was an insanity for 8 years that I don't want to be responsible for continuing.

[metroins]

26. I agree with you

If something good can be passed, pass it.

Congress isn't a football game, there are no winners and losers, except the American people, who lose when Congress does nothing.

[Chemisse]

29. I agree. We should not stoop to their level.

But neither should we roll over for them. They must be fought over every single bad thing they do or propose to do.

[yurbud]

32. I wish Democrats had gone McConnell on Baby Bush.

[GoneOffShore]

44. No, sorry. They should get nothing.

[LAS14]

47. Well, when the Repubs adopted that attitude it meant the American people got nothing.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

53. But do Republicans offer the American people? Privatize Social Security?

[LAS14]

56. We look for opportunities. Probably not many, unfortunately.

[treestar]

63. Then prepare to lose

They win with that behavior don't they ? It is caving to bullies.

[LostOne4Ever]

55. This is a game of prisoner's dilemma

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]If both parties tried to work together then each party would get a little of what they want and everyone would benefit. This outcome provides the most benefit overall.

If one party (party A) tries to work together, and the other one (party B) exploits that, then Party B will get almost everything they want and Party A will lose everything they have so far and will suffer. Overall, the amount of benefit for all is reduced.

If one party (party B) tries to work together, and the other one (party A) exploits that, then Party A will get almost everything they want and Party B will lose everything and suffer. Overall, the amount of benefit for all is reduced.

If neither party tries work with each other, and only tries to get their way then there will be gridlock and no gain for anyone. However, neither side will lose much of what they have to this point. This outcome provide no benefit for anyone, but no-one loses either.

[hr]

The Republicans have decided to not work with us and only pursue their own interests. If we try to work with them we will eventually lose everything we have achieved to this point.

The best solution for us is to fight fire with fire even if that results in gridlock for years to come.[/font]

[treestar]

64. Exactly!

[Thinkingabout]

66. Democrats has done this in past years, the result was when Obama was elected McConnell

made his statement of making him a one term president. If you recall, there could have been endless hearings of Bush's decisions going into Iraq and many other issues, Nancy Pelosi decided to govern rather than the endless email and Benghazi hearings. As a long time Democrat I remember what was given, it has been 8 years of gridlock by the Republicans. The Republicans rolled over and gave Bush everything he ask and finally they passed a bill in order for Bush to get his first Veto.

[MadDAsHell]

2. Why did they hate Hillary? Or Bill? Or Jimmy? Or any Democrat? nt

[heaven05]

6. Obama WAS hated more

for 1....one....1 reason only. It was not normal political party hate. It was unprecedented hate. Period.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

11. My racist Dad hated Obama because

and I quote "he was a d#%n Muslim n#%#r who was conspiring with other Muslims to take over this country" - a variation of his racist rants. Dad lived in the deep South, was a Fox cult member, in his 90's & isolated, and slopped up the Trump/Nazi/alt right slop right up to the end. And yes he was very attuned to the dog whistles.

He passed away early this year, and I'm wondering if his vote was used by the Republicans....

[uponit7771]

31. We can safely rule out their skin color no? tia

[MadDAsHell]

33. Apparently not; there seem to be a lot of DUers that assume you win or lose votes solely based on..

...the amount of melatonin in the voter's skin.

[uponit7771]

40. Yeap, I've heard that one before... somehow being black gets a person more votes

[JI7]

37. because they supported equal rights

[treestar]

65. They hated Obama much more

Don't you see that?

[still_one]

3. perfectly stated

[Mc Mike]

4. Hate him worse, even, Cous. rec, nt.

[ananda]

5. I don't hate Trump at all.

I just hate everything he stands for, and
everything he does.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

9. Yep...

... reminds me of the stereotypical used car salesman commercials on the old UHF channels. IE, ... "Crazy Eddie's Used Cars - I am going to club a baby seal every hour until all these cars are sold!"

[AnotherMother4Peace]

13. I can't be so magnanimous. I hate this man who assaults women repeatedly & unrepentantly.....

[Chemisse]

30. Good for you. I really do hate him though.

Not because of what an asshole he is, but because he is in a position to make us all suffer for it.

[JHB]

7. Except we don't have to invent horseshit reasons to hate Trump

[busterbrown]

22. Horse Shit? doesnt quite do it

Diarrhea more appropriate for Trump..

[BigBearJohn]

54. Don't you mean BALLISTIC diarrhea?

[Qutzupalotl]

42. I'm convinced the Obama hate was partly a reaction to our hate of W

except, as you noted, we didn't have to make anything up about him. He set up the surveillance state, instituted torture, invaded the wrong freaking country and had the worst domestic terrorism attack go through on his lack of watch.

In pointing out those things, we (myself included) called him every name in the book, illegitimate, *, the antichrist, Li'l Boots, you name it. The right heard this and it hurt their feelings. If they don't hear the backstory and don't know the details of history, they dismiss legitimate criticism as sour grapes if it comes sprinkled with insults. Insults make it easier to tune out criticism, so it never pierces the bubble.

So they came up with illegitimacy arguments (birtherism), blamed him for the debt (his "massive spending increase" was accounting for the off-the-books supplementals W used to fund the wars), blamed him for "bungling" the wars his predecessor started, blamed him for the surveillance state his predecessor built, and used the same constitutional arguments we did against domestic spying.

Now we're out of adjectives for the incoming shitstormtroopers. I think our best strategy is to stick to the constitutional viiolations, because that's about the only thing they hear. Suffering means nothing to them.

Trump will violate the emoluments clause unless he fully divests from his business interests. He cannot be seated by the electors or the House.

[JHB]

52. I think it's wider than that...

The right's had a veritable industry in demonizing people for decades: some specific like Dan Rather and John Kerry, some general like hippies and feminists. Republicans found it useful to foster it in the 70s and 80s as one of the ways they worked to pry apart the Democratic coalition. Some of them found it financially useful, and had cottage industries thumping these drums.

In 1991 Bill Clinton was the most "conservative" among the potential Democratic candidates: the pro-business governor of a right-to-work state who was OK with the death penalty and talked of welfare reform. The standard republican strategy of attacking Democrats for being anti-business, soft on crime, and big on giveaways to "special interests" (at the time, a dog-whistle for unions and minorities) would fall flat. Even "soft on defense" wouldn't work when the Soviet Union had just collapsed. Plus he came with Hillary, who if anther Dem won the nomination and then the presidency would be a top contender for attorney general.

The Bush campaign and conservatives responded by making them avatars of everything they hated about the 60s and 70s. Dope-smokin', draft-dogin', Hippie Bill and radical-feminist Hillary. Two big targets to hose down with bile.

Once Bill won and took office, the tactic turned into a business model. Stop him from doing anything "liberal" by keeping him always on the defensive, and if he could be brought down, so much the better: Payback, in their minds, for Nixon. It grew and grew and grew until the illegitimacy of the Democratic president became the flag around which Republicans rallied.

So no, I don't think the hatred of Obama was due to what we said about Bush. Conservatives just dusted off the playbook they used against Clinton, and they already had it primed enough that they didn't need any ramp-up time, they could hit the ground running with the same fervor that led the Republican House to impeach Bill even knowing that the Senate would shoot it down. All that, with racism added to supercharge it.

[patricia92243]

8. They hate the Prez. I'm AFRAID of Trump.

[hay rick]

10. I believe many voted for Trump simply out of spite.

He doesn't have a coherent plan and they don't care.

[alfredo]

48. He hates the same people his voters hate.

[world wide wally]

12. So, you're sayin we hate Trump just because he is orange?

[renate]

18. I wish DU had a Like button

[C Moon]

14. Wow! That is spot on!

[NightWatcher]

15. I don't hate him because of skin color. I hate him because he's a rapist fascist asshole

My reasons are legit.

[gulliver]

16. Should have used "bad" instead of "racist"

But it's a good one.

[47of74]

17. Works either way.

[ancianita]

19. You think this equivalency talk will somehow get your opponents' acknowledgment? Respect?

All this does is keep things stirred up at the social but not the economic levels.

When we have the next recession would be a better time to bring this up. Then it will make sense to Trump's people. They haven't suffered enough under a white man yet -- not because he's white from my p.o.v., but because they think they can't lose under white male leaders.

[busterbrown]

24. Agree.. But I dont fully understand.

Wasn’t the double catastrophe under Bush 2.. enough?

[treestar]

67. What gets their respect is tough talk not reason

They won't blame the orange creep for any recession

[Cary]

23. We have to figure out a better way to make Congress represent WE, THE PEOPLE

That is their job, regardless of party affiliation.

[busterbrown]

25. Boy!! That sounds good but

Republican congressmen and women, only care about their own.. To the millionth degree and this won’t change until they are the minority at all levels of govt

[Cary]

28. They care about their own?

That's news to me. They seem to me to only care about themselves, but what do I know?

[Bucky]

36. You hear about it all the time. A GOP senator has a kid with drug problems...

they suddenly start to think about treatment over incarceration. A Republican congressman has a wife with uterine cancer, they suddenly quit pandering over Planned Parenthood (tho they don't stand up to their colleagues from doing so) and begins to vote for more research for women's health issues. A conservative state legislator loses a kid in an amusement park accident, he suddenly starts favoring business safety regulations.

[Cary]

39. I guess we have a difference with definitions.

I call that caring about themselves.

Their own would be fellow "conservatives."

[sheshe2]

50. Nailed it Cary.

[MFM008]

27. Worse

...........

[Bucky]

34. I don't hate Trump.

I only hate everything he does, thinks, says, and represents. But it ain't personal.

[Lotusflower70]

35. For real

People blame President Obama for creating the divide but the divide was there long before he became President. I blame Trump for feeding fear and hate. No matter what he does in the White House, he is still a pretty despicable human being.

[lpbk2713]

38. Here's something to point out to your RW friends and family.

Limbaugh was emphatic about his hope that Obama
fails even before Obama's first inauguration.

Fuggue OxyRush.


http://blog.sfgate.com/politics/2009/01/19/limbaugh-i-hope-obama-fails-but-rushs-recent-record-stinks/

[Martin Eden]

41. The difference is they hated Obama for reasons that were untrue

Marxist Muslim born in Kenya who hates America -- all untrue.

We hate Trump for what he has said and done that is a matter of public record.

[Duppers]

43. K & R

Some of these fuckers wear their racism very proudly -- as if something's wrong with us for not being racist! Truth.

[certainot]

45. racist and, like much of the attack on hillary, based on

rw talk radio and fox bullshit

[lastlib]

46. I don't hate Trump.....

I intensely loathe everything about him, everything he stands for, everything he says or does, or appears to believe, with every fiber of my being. But I don't hate him. I loathe his misogyny, his racism, his birtherism, his attitude toward immigrants and Muslims, his highly unwarranted narcissism, and all of his anti-democratic policy views, his bullying of others he considers lesser than himself (which is every human being who ever walked this earth ), and a thousand other things--I loathe them all. But I do not hate him.

I will oppose with all my heart and energy every thing he tries to do as president of this country that weakens us as a people and as a nation. But I do not hate him.

[KingCharlemagne]

49. Methinks thou doth protest too much :) - nt

[johnp3907]

51. I hate him.

[Auntie Bush]

59. Well, I was taught as a kid to never say you hate someone

However I DO HATE TRUMP!!!!

[Bear Creek]

57. Not the same

They hated Obama because of his skin color. Trump is on his way to be dictator. He is attacking the news, he thinks he is above the law, he is actively changing history's narrative, he is supporting nazis and the kkk. This should have not even made it this far. The DNC and our election was hacked by Russia, he is friends with russia's dictator. He tried to do business with castro in the 90's. He already is combining his business interests with the country's national security. The recounts are already showing fraud. It is from the president on down. The election needs to be held again paper ballots no electronic voting machines.

[yuiyoshida]

58. scrolling down thought that mess of bigots responding

There are some who are saying they not only want Trump to be President for four years but for Life! That his sons should inherit the rule of the Trump legacy and we should live under a long Trump dictatorship.

These people are Nucking Futz!

[MrModerate]

60. They hate Obama because of the color of his skin . . .

While Trump is hated because of the content of his character.

[lark]

61. Nope.

I hate him a million times more than I even hated the presidency stealing GW/Cheney. They were only criminals once they stole the office, drumpf is a criminal and should be in jail for what he's done outside the presidency, Think of the vile things he will do to us as president. Already he's appointed someone who wants to get rid of public education, someone who supports Muslim registry, and someone - himself - who will rape the presidency and our country and fuck the entire world for his own personal profit and not care that he's destroyed such a beautiful idea and decent way of life. They hated Obama the way they hate all Dems, because he stands for the working class and they (the uneducated, Faux Snooze watchers) have been brainwashed for their own destruction because "someday" they could be rich too. It will never happen, but the brain dead still want to believe.

Drumpf will not do one thing in favor of the working class, although he will lie about it constantly. I just don't see how repugs think they can ever win another election by cutting working class ability to have healthcare, stealing our Medicare and Social Security and ending Medicaid as a federal program so all the south and far west can kill the poor with bad health. Hmm, they will probably pass these laws, but exempt everyone near Medicare age, at the beginning. You know damn well they will come back, say it's too expensive, and put everyone on cat food, stealing the wealth of the nation for the rich.

So, in summary, fuck you drumpf and everyone that supports your vile treachery. No retreat no surrender.

[treestar]

62. Kick

I've taken to asking them why they object to being called racist.