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Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:42 AM

Pssssssssssssssst! Security experts join Jill Stein's 'election changing' recount campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/security-experts-join-jill-steins-election-changing-recount-campaign
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More election security experts have joined Jill Stein’s campaign to review the presidential vote in battleground states won by Donald Trump even as she sues Wisconsin to secure a full recount by hand of all of its 3m ballots.

Half a dozen academics and other specialists on Monday submitted new testimony supporting a lawsuit from Stein against Wisconsin authorities, in which she asked a court to prevent county officials from carrying out their recounts by machine.

Stein argued that Wisconsin’s plan to allow automatic recounting “risks tainting the recount process” because the electronic scanning equipment involved may incorrectly tally the results and could have been attacked by foreign hackers.

“There is a substantial possibility that recounting the ballots by hand will produce a more correct result and change the outcome of the election,” Stein argued in the lawsuit in Dane County circuit court. A copy was obtained by the Guardian.

Stein, the Green party’s presidential election candidate, is working to secure full recounts in the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, where Trump surprised pollsters by narrowly beating Clinton on his way to a national victory in the electoral college.

A petition from Stein requesting a recount was accepted by Wisconsin last Friday. Her efforts to obtain a recount in Pennsylvania met serious difficulties on Monday as it became clear she needed three voters in each of the state’s 9,163 voting precincts to request a recount on her behalf, and that deadlines to do so had passed in many precincts.

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Reply Pssssssssssssssst! Security experts join Jill Stein's 'election changing' recount campaign (Original post)
malaise Nov 2016 OP
Mike Nelson Nov 2016 #1
UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #2
Achilleaze Nov 2016 #3
MADem Nov 2016 #4
WillowTree Nov 2016 #8
MADem Nov 2016 #9
brooklynite Nov 2016 #11
MADem Nov 2016 #12
brooklynite Nov 2016 #13
MADem Nov 2016 #14
sagesnow Nov 2016 #5
malaise Nov 2016 #6
GregD Nov 2016 #7
Aimee in OKC Nov 2016 #15
red dog 1 Nov 2016 #10
Hekate Nov 2016 #16
TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #17
shira Nov 2016 #18

Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:56 AM

1. She is scoring...

...points with me. I still hold Hillary, Bernie, the Obamas and their allies in much higher regard and believe she should have joined the effort against Trump.

If nothing else, this may help reform elections. And, I especially like that it puts a taint on Trump's electoral college win.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:03 AM

2. Finally! The Americans are catching on to the scam!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:40 AM

3. Good move.

There is something rotten at the Republican core.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:36 AM

4. Wow.

“There is a substantial possibility that recounting the ballots by hand will produce a more correct result and change the outcome of the election,” Stein argued in the lawsuit in Dane County circuit court. A copy was obtained by the Guardian.



Wow!

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Response to MADem (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:26 PM

8. The totals in all three states would have to turn over to Clinton to "change the outcome".

Does she actually think that's possible? Do you?

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:52 PM

9. All we need to do is find evidence of actual, deliberate CHEATING to de-legitimize Trump.

I'd rather have four years of gridlock and a good impeachment than allow that asshole to be "normalized" by weak-minded people.

Which "she" are you talking about? Stein? Ask her, I suppose.

The "change the outcome" comment was talking about the "outcome" in ONE state contest.

I absolutely think that's possible.

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Response to MADem (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:02 PM

11. ...and how will recounting the votes reveal that?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:06 PM

12. If a shitload of votes for Clinton are discovered that have somehow been squirreled away,

we'll know SOMETHING is up, certainly.

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Response to MADem (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:15 PM

13. There is no indication that such a miscount (intentional or otherwise) occurred.

Clinton doesn't think so.

Obama doesn't think so.

Sanders doesn't think so.

nb - Starting with an unfounded premise ("the election was hacked" and then looking for evidence to support that claim is poor research.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:20 PM

14. Look, I am not getting into a pissing contest with you.

Let it play out.

I don't expect the results to be overturned, but if the count can be proven to be inaccurate in even one state, it delegitimizes that Orange Anus and leaves him hamstrung for his single term.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:59 AM

5. Election Integrity 2020

Start now. Raise funds now. Randomly audit 10% of precincts across the country.
In my state there is only 10 days after an election to request and pay for an audit.

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Response to sagesnow (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:16 PM

6. Good idea

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:17 PM

7. three voters in each of the states 9,163 voting precincts

WTF?

Does anyone know why or when this was introduced? It is hard enough that the DRE touchscreen systems cannot be recounted, and that (as I understand) accounts for 80% of the machines in PA.

I presume Stein's goal here is to make public the issues with the paperless systems, but now having to find 3 folks in each precinct - what a pain in the ass! I hope folks in PA will work to get that rule changed.

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Response to GregD (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 01:18 AM

15. In the meantime ...

1. Optical Scan readers capture an anonymous image of the ballot as it is scanned.

2. Is it possible also with the DRE Push-Button/ Touchsceens to get copies of the 'ballot images'?

For instance = "The AVC Advantage . . . keeps these totals (with the ballot images) in its internal memory. . . . the machine can be instructed to print the internally stored data onto its printer, or copy it to a fresh cartridge." Montgomery & Northampton use the AVC Advantage.

3. Use a certified FOIA request to election officials to demand the images. {Follow up with a call if needs be.} Go in person and take along a couple of brand-new, still-wrapped flash drives and download the images. Count the votes, placing into a spreadsheet to track them efficiently.

If no attempt is made, we'll never know whether it was possible or not.
* * * * * * *
Finding the counties and the machines they use:

1. Click on PA to go to: https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#year/2016/state/42

2. To check Pennsylvania's machines for "Security Concerns" & "Important Notes" = right-hand column
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/

ES&S (Election Systems & Software) = AutoMARK
{Ballot Marking Device or System}
Hart InterCivic = eSlate DRE-Dial
Sequoia (Dominion) = AVC Advantage DRE-Push Button
Danaher = Shouptronic 1242 DRE-Push Button
Premier/Diebold (Dominion) = AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen
Sequoia (Dominion) = AVC Edge DRE-Touchscreen
ES&S = iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen
Hart InterCivic = eScan Optical Scan
ES&S = Model 100 Optical Scan
ES&S = Model 650 Optical Scan

3. Scroll down to "Search Equipment" dropdowns in lower left. Select Pennsylvania & 2016, and SEARCH. See the PA counties' list of machines used = DRE Touchscreen, Push-button, Optical Scan, etc.

COUNTY .... MAKE ..... MODEL .... EQUIPMENT TYPE .... VVPAT ... #PRECINCTS
Adams ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 49
Adams ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Allegheny ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 1319
Armstrong ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 68
Beaver ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 129
Bedford ... Hart InterCivic eSlate DRE-Dial No 40
Bedford ... Hart InterCivic eScan Optical Scan N/A
Berks ... Danaher Shouptronic 1242 DRE-Push Button No 199
Blair ... Hart InterCivic eSlate DRE-Dial No 97
Bradford ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 61
Bucks ... Danaher Shouptronic 1242 DRE-Push Button No 307
Butler ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 89
Cambria ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 133
Cameron ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 10
Carbon ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 51
Centre ... ES&S Model 650 Optical Scan N/A 91
Centre ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Centre ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A
Chester ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 226
Chester ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Clarion ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 42
Clearfield ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 70
Clinton ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 34
Columbia ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 42
Columbia ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Crawford ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 68
Cumberland ... ES&S Model 650 Optical Scan N/A 118
Cumberland ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No
Dauphin ... Danaher Shouptronic 1242 DRE-Push Button No 162
Delaware ... Danaher Shouptronic 1242 DRE-Push Button No 426
Elk ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 33
Erie ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 152
Fayette ... Hart InterCivic eSlate DRE-Dial No 83
Fayette ... Hart InterCivic eScan Optical Scan N/A
Forest ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 9
Franklin ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 75
Franklin ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Fulton ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 13
Fulton ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Greene ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 44
Huntingdon ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 58
Huntingdon ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Indiana ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 69
Indiana ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Jefferson ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 37
Juniata ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A 18
Juniata ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A
Lackawanna ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 163
Lackawanna ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Lancaster ... Hart InterCivic eSlate DRE-Dial No 242
Lancaster ... Hart InterCivic eScan Optical Scan N/A
Lawrence ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 75
Lebanon ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 55
Lehigh ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 153
Luzerne ... ES&S Model 650 Optical Scan N/A 189
Luzerne ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No
Lycoming ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 86
McKean ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 42
Mercer ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 100
Mifflin ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A 25
Mifflin ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A
Monroe ... Danaher Shouptronic 1242 DRE-Push Button No 50
Montgomery ... Sequoia (Dominion) AVC Advantage DRE-Push Button No 425
Montour ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A 15
Montour ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A
Northampton ... Sequoia (Dominion) AVC Advantage DRE-Push Button No 149
Northumberland ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 74
Perry ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 31
Philadelphia ... Danaher Shouptronic 1242 DRE-Push Button No 1686
Pike ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 18
Potter ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 33
Schuylkill ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 125
Snyder ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 25
Snyder ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Somerset ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 68
Sullivan ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 15
Susquehanna ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 43
Susquehanna ... ES&S Model 650 Optical Scan N/A
Tioga ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 43
Union ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 27
Venango ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 49
Warren ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 33
Washington ... Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX DRE-Touchscreen No 184
Wayne ... ES&S AutoMARK Ballot Marking Device or System N/A 36
Wayne ... ES&S Model 650 Optical Scan N/A
Westmoreland ... ES&S Model 650 Optical Scan N/A 306
Westmoreland ... ES&S Model 100 Optical Scan N/A
Westmoreland ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No
Wyoming ... ES&S iVotronic DRE-Touchscreen No 31
York ... Sequoia (Dominion) AVC Edge DRE-Touchscreen No 159

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:53 PM

10. Stein should go to court immediately in PA

and ask a PA judge to rule on her needing three voters in each of the state's 9,163 voting precincts to request a recount ...that might be illegal and/or unconstitutional.

K&R, thanks for posting.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 02:07 AM

16. Good

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 03:36 AM

17. a machine recount is no recount at all. duh. nt

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 08:57 AM

18. LoL @ Stein. Said Hillary would start WW3. Hillary wins. Stein demands recount.

 

Hilarious.

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