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Trump voter lost her home to new Treasury secretaryWASHINGTON (AP) When Donald Trump named his Treasury secretary, Teena Colebrook felt her heart sink.
She had voted for the president-elect on the belief that he would knock the moneyed elites from their perch in Washington, D.C. And she knew Trump's pick for Treasury_Steven Mnuchin_all too well.
OneWest, a bank formerly owned by a group of investors headed by Mnuchin, had foreclosed on her Los Angeles-area home in the aftermath of the Great Recession, stripping her of the two units she rented as a primary source of income.
"I just wish that I had not voted," said Colebrook, 59. "I have no faith in our government anymore at all. They all promise you the world at the end of a stick and take it away once they get in."
Less than a month after his presidential win, Trump's populist appeal has started to clash with a Cabinet of billionaires and millionaires that he believes can energize economic growth.
https://apnews.com/0f1305c8742547df9bcf978b2c15997c/Trump-voter-lost-her-home-to-new-Treasury-secretary
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)FUCK'EM
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I don't know how we educate these folks to help them realize Democrats are on their side, but it's got to be our top priority. People simply wouldn't vote for the Republican agenda if we could just help them connect the dots.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)unwittingly. There were plenty of stories out there about trump and how he runs things. She chose not to believe them. 'cause you know....libtards and their PC language of wanting people to be treated equally and their push for civility. I have no sympathy for her ignorant ass, she deserves the full experience of her trump presidency. May she get what she voted for.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Dr. Oz's ratings suggest no.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)That would mean the average American is missing a very basic human trait common sense and logic.
Don't have to be an intellectual to tell the difference between truth and straight up bullshit. At least generally speaking because there are some good lies,but most of the misinformation today is just outlandish garbage.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)First and foremost, logic isn't innate. It's learned. If it isn't being taught in schools as a required topic, then most people aren't going to pick it up.
I don't think "common sense" is actually a thing, either. There's "street smarts" - a mode of problem solving largely formed through casual observation and trial-and-error; but because it is anecdotal, I think it largely useless for any problem more complicated than walking to corner store to pick up a gallon of milk. Today's issues aren't simple. To understand them, one need not be a polymath, but must be at least passingly familiar with a number of disciplines most people simply are not exposed to. Economics, sociology, political science, medicine, climatology... odds are your average citizen hasn't spent more than a few weeks studying any of these things. They are so unfamiliar with the fundamental precepts of these disciplines that they are unable to tell the experts from the bullshitters.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I'm sorry, but there was no "deception" involved.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Yes, my thoughts drive the outcomes of national elections.
A majority of voters didn't vote for this guy. In my state, the margin was 14% against Trump.
I'm going to be fine. These people need their noses rubbed in what they've done.
But if they want to keep punching themselves in the face, I'm pouring a tall drink and laughing at them.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Rather than just write them off as being stupid, or racist, or whatever. They want the same things we want. We need to be more effective at communicating that to them, and countering the Republican lies.
CincyDem
(6,356 posts)Rather that trying to teach a frog latin, let's go figure out what will draw people into the process. What will make them care ?
I don't know the answer but there were a whole lot of people who stayed home. Some/many may have been in the "both are the same" camp but addressing the apathy of 85k voters in MiWiPa would have changed the world.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I'm sure a lot of people who didn't vote did so because they think the parties are equivalent. Their votes don't matter. The same message can reach them.
But there are some people we can't reach. We should not become more like trump to reach out.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I expressly stated our message, our agenda, is on their side. They want economic stability, affordable healthcare, safety, etc. The Democrats are the party to give that to them. The Republican agenda is just more profit and chaos (that the rich profit from).
We have to get better at communicating this.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Very well put, LOL.
I agree, lets work on those who did not vote because Sanders did not win the nomination, their level of thought is much higher than those who voted for Trump, they are not fanatics like those who voted for Trump, and they are open minded, unlike those who voted for Trump.
Trump supporters will never learn, I bet this woman will vote republican again in the next election. They don't do any research, they just help the team win regardless of the consequences.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)people who didn't vote. We would have to do it through legislation like making it mandatory to vote or at the very least make it much easier to vote. Problem is we have no power. Republicans control 60 plus of the 90 or so state legislatures most of the Governorship,the Congress,the Senate and their going to have the President and Supreme court. We have to find a way to teach some frogs Latin as you say if we are going to start winning again.
May sound good to get close 100% of the population to vote,but doing that through a powerful message alone is a fantasy. I doubt that has ever happened in America or anywhere else in the world.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)"I wish I hadn't vote"...She would have rather not vote than to cast her vote for a real candidate, not sure how it was for her during Bill Clinton, but it was good for most of the country....These people don't learn, they don't do their research, they are fanatics.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Because let's get real, none of the things they attacked Hillary with was true. E-mail server, Benghazi, Clinton Foundation, all lies. But people believed it - why? Hint: it's not because every Trump voter is a stupid, evil racist.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)Would've been the same thing regardless of who the Democratic candidate was. Notice in the article she said "she wish she hadn't voted.' However every she never said she wished she would've voted for someone else. Which makes me think she thought voting for repukes was her only option.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)An anonymous writeup on a random website is good enough for court testimony, so I've heard.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)By your metric every single thing can be dismissed with "random website".
You're doing exactly what these so-called "Trump Humpers" did. They're given a link, it says what they want to believe, and they embrace it. And then when asked to think critically about it, they attack the messenger. Again, just like you did. Isn't that interesting?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Amazing you are now equating me with a Trump Humper. The one being discussed in the op is admittedly one.
What is interesting is the angle you are taking.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Even though I didn't "equate" you to a "Trump Humper," but only pointed out that you are doing the same specific action here. Namely, finding a piece of information you like, and defending it uncritically as the "truth" against all other viewpoints.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)What? Dear Lord.
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)She'll be joined by tens of millions more Trump voters as legions of Magoos realize that they should have studied a candidate's character, past actions, and associates BEFORE they cast their ballots.
This isn't rocket science. This doesn't require a college degree. This doesn't even require a high school diploma. I am convinced that even a halfway-alert high school dropout had the tools available to show that voting for the Donald was a poor choice.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Millions of her fellow assholes will soon feel similar pain. The mid-term election (assuming we ever have another election) will be interesting indeed.
Aristus
(66,328 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Tactical Peek
(1,208 posts)Expose and educate.
Expose and educate.
Expose and educate.
Rinse, repeat.
(James Carville's prescription.)
RedWedge
(618 posts)Now, what will she do with it?
Tactical Peek
(1,208 posts)That's what she said.
Bad as Trump is, and accommodating as the media bosses were, there is still plenty of room for the Ds to give people more reasons to vote for them.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)She bought a multi-unit dwelling for $248,000 in 1998 and 17 years later she owes $517k. Her loan at the time of the crash, 10 years after buying the place, was interest only?
Let's be honest here. This was a business that she happened to live in. Businesses fail especially when you make poor decisions. I guess she didn't read any of his books.
Ace Rothstein
(3,161 posts)She doesn't sound like the brightest bulb.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)I bet what she did was buy the place with as little down as possible to maximize leverage. She then makes improvements to the building and is able to charge a higher rent because the building is nicer than it was. She then probably went back to the bank and they valued the property at a much higher value due to: the improvements, the increased income from the rentals, and probably market factors because the real estate market in California during this period was on fire. She now would have a lot more equity in the place that she could pull out via a refinance.
It says in the article that she used the money to buy other properties so she was presumably doing the same thing. This works so long as the market keeps going up and you can service the debt. We all know what happened to the market though. So she gets hit by the double whammy of tightening credit and renters who can't afford to pay rent.
I made a lot of assumptions in the above but that would be my guess on what happened to her.
Ace Rothstein
(3,161 posts)I have no compassion for anyone who votes Republican and expects them to stick up for anyone who isn't wealthy.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,649 posts)"I just wish that I had not voted," said Colebrook, 59. "I have no faith in our government anymore at all. They all promise you the world at the end of a stick and take it away once they get in."
In other words, he's bad, but not really worse than any other gov't official.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Republicans and Democrats all the same folks, might as well elect Hitler.
Johonny
(20,846 posts)Meaning she really has no faith in herself, and frankly seeing how she chooses politicians to represent her, her lack of faith is justified.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)and I don't understand why they don't understand.
These people hate government because they continue to vote for the people that screw them...don't expect a different outcome if you continue to do what you have been doing.
People are not mad at government, they are mad at the crooked politicians from the republican party who made it their goal from day one to oppose, indiscriminately, whatever Obama tried to do for the good of the country, that is what they hate, but can't come to terms with it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)mopinko
(70,099 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)because it was fucking obvious this is exactly what Trump was going to do. Past is prologue. The guy has never done anything but screw over ordinary people.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)by Comrade Casino (R).
lark
(23,099 posts)I don't feel a single iota of pity for her, she helped choose the orange fuhrer and paid less than zero attention to everything bad that he's done, or said, paid no attention to his actual record and just like his simple declarative hitleseque lies. She and millions like her will rue 11/8, however the damage is done, our country and way of life are well on the way to being destroyed and it's because of assholes like her.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)He IS a moneyed elite.
You voted for him because of the dog whistles he employed throughout his campaign. Come on, he started his campaign by calling Mexican immigrants rapists. What made you listen to him after THAT?
No, you voted for him because he promisted to fully restore white supremacy in the USA. Then it dawned on you that he played you. He played you using your racism, like the GOP have been doing since they came up with the "Southern Strategy" in the 1960s.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)MontanaMama
(23,314 posts)If you hadn't voted at all, it would be the same as VOTING FOR HIM. Duh. No sympathy for these fools. NONE.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)She is a lame brain that should be ridiculed anytime she opens her mouth.
Her statement, "I have no faith in our government anymore at all. They all promise you the world at the end of a stick and take it away once they get in.", is ludicrous. The reason why she doesn't have any faith in the government is because she and many others like her make bad choices when voting. She likely voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 and for McCain and Romney. So she should STFU. Especially considering that she lives in Orange County which hasn't voted Democratic since 1936.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)But she's been around the block enough to know that she should have looked at the candidates harder and applied some critical thinking skills.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the last time he ever voted for a Republican. So he wised up, but some folks never do.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)The Repubs of today are scary, like the ones that tried to overthrow Roosevelt. This generation of Roves, Segrettis, Nixon, and the ones running the apparatus, and then their students and the next batch and the next are deadly people.
Deuce
(959 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)She rented out two of the units and lived in the third. Colebrook refinanced her mortgage in order to renovate the property and help buy additional homes to generate rental income.
By the time the financial crisis struck in 2008, she had an interest-only mortgage on the triplex known as a "pick-a-payment" loan. Her monthly payments ran as high as $2,000 and only covered the interest on the debt. Then she got ensnarled in the economic downturn.
"All my tenants lost their jobs in the crash," Colebrook said. "They couldn't pay. It was a knock-on effect."
Make bad decisions, get bad results.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"the belief that he would knock the moneyed elites from their perch in Washington, D.C."
When I see this level of stupidity I know there is more to it.
She sounds like a Trumpster. Is this her?
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Tina-Colebrook/hawthorne-California-90250/Tina-Colebrook-DISHONEST-SHADY-BAD-CHARACTER-COMPULSIVE-LIER-GREEDY-hawthorne-Califor-1162281
blue cat
(2,415 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)TuslaUltra
(75 posts)n/t
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)he seemed like such a caring dude
Statistical
(19,264 posts)I mean this is like a snake saying "I am a snake and if you get close I will bite you and then you will die". A Trumper would try to pet it and then be "shocked" he got bit.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)nfm
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)DFW
(54,370 posts)Why, so she could complain and not have her vote tossed back in her face?
Not voting was just as much a vote for Trump as actively voting for him. It was a little before the fact, but she did in fact get what she voted for. The "I was fooled/betrayed" argument does not play with me this time. It's not like it took a PhD in political science to figure out which candidate would be more beneficial to the country, and conceivably more beneficial to you as an individual. She voted for her slogans. She should get, and should continue to get, what mere slogans are worth: a place in a line at a soup kitchen and a sleeping bag at a shelter.