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MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:55 AM Dec 2016

What Will Trump's Impact Be on Millennials?

As usual, millennials didn't show up in massive numbers for the 2016 presidential election. More's the pity, since the person who will become President on January 20 does not have their best interests in mind as he takes office.

Student Loans? Forget about any measures to help you pay them off. Those will not be forthcoming in a Trump administration. In fact, it may become even more ruinous to be in default on them.

Low or No Tuition College? That's not going to happen, either.

Higher Minimum Wage? It is to laugh. It's more likely that minimum wage requirements will be loosened, allowing employers to pay even less for many jobs.

Better Employment Opportunities? I wouldn't count on that, either. Trump is for the corporations, not the workers. In his own businesses, he takes every possible opportunity to keep employees' pay low and hires guest workers wherever possible. Those are his standards, and he'll make it easier for companies to do the same.

Voting. It's important, as everyone will soon learn - the hard way.

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What Will Trump's Impact Be on Millennials? (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2016 OP
it is absolutely mind boggling. moda253 Dec 2016 #1
Sadly, that realization will come too late, I'm afraid. MineralMan Dec 2016 #2
I assume the reverse... brooklynite Dec 2016 #3
Loss or restrictions on reproductive freedom etherealtruth Dec 2016 #4
Most millinials have always lived with broader freedoms and reproductive rights. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2016 #7
Say it isn't so. DURHAM D Dec 2016 #5
The only think greater than hate among his supporters is stupid world wide wally Dec 2016 #6
According to this, Millennial turnout in 2016 was lower than in 2012! MineralMan Dec 2016 #8
Old white men put Trump in the white house. Not millenials. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #16
I'm an old white man. I voted for Hillary. MineralMan Dec 2016 #17
So you start a thread blaming millenials for not showing up killbotfactory Dec 2016 #18
But, see, they didn't show up. If they had, Hillary would MineralMan Dec 2016 #19
But they didn't show up now did they? leftofcool Dec 2016 #26
Millennial vote was UP from 2012 fizzed Dec 2016 #27
they'll realize that Democrats and Republicans are not the exact same thing La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #9
Under 55 voted heavily democratic in the election...if they voted Johonny Dec 2016 #10
Then more of them should vote, don't you think? MineralMan Dec 2016 #11
Traditionally, the older you are, the more you have, the more settled you are, they more likely you Johonny Dec 2016 #13
OK. Perhaps that should change, don't you think? MineralMan Dec 2016 #15
"Perhaps that should change"? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #30
Hasn't the 18-30 year old voters always been the lowest demographic voting? madinmaryland Dec 2016 #33
Yes, but that doesn't mean MineralMan Dec 2016 #34
I don't disagree with you, but what do you do to get them to vote? madinmaryland Dec 2016 #35
As a millennial, all of my friends and I made the adult decision PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #12
And yet, millennial turnout in 2016 was lower than in 2012. MineralMan Dec 2016 #14
Absolutely. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #20
Here's the thing: Vote for yourself. MineralMan Dec 2016 #21
I agree with you about the realism of having two choices PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #24
This has already been debunked up thread and you keep bringing it up taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #31
Half off tuition at Trump U. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #22
The doors are locked there. MineralMan Dec 2016 #23
See. It's a tough school to get into. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #25
Millennial vote was actually UP from 2012 in 2016 fizzed Dec 2016 #28
Yes, my generation is to blame for not cleaning up the messes your generation made. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2016 #29
Blaming the generation that actually voted for Hillary rather than the generation that actually taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #32
Kick. The OP has been completely owned in this thread taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #36
The Facebook generation. gulliver Dec 2016 #37
What will Trump's impact be on Boomers? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #38
All of the boomers I know voted for Hillary. MineralMan Dec 2016 #39
 

moda253

(615 posts)
1. it is absolutely mind boggling.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:58 AM
Dec 2016

The ONLY thing that I can cling to is that shortly many people will begin to realize the horror that they allowed happen or were complicit in bringing about.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
2. Sadly, that realization will come too late, I'm afraid.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:02 AM
Dec 2016

The signs were there before the election. Sadly, they weren't read by many, despite attempts to draw attention to them.

A higher turnout of millennials might have prevented Trump's election, but didn't happen.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
4. Loss or restrictions on reproductive freedom
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:09 AM
Dec 2016

The imposition of religion in the work place and or the public square.

Loss of worker protection for a lifetime

Limitations placed on voting "rights"

Loss of social safety networks for families, individuals and retirees

I could go on and on regarding how reaching a conservative or lunatic SCOTUS will be

leftyladyfrommo

(18,866 posts)
7. Most millinials have always lived with broader freedoms and reproductive rights.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:25 AM
Dec 2016

I don't think they realized how hard fought those rights were and how easily they could be lost again.

I remember when abortions were illegal. So many people died or suffered life threatening infections. It was an awful time.

I also remember when a college education was affordable. That was a good thing.

DURHAM D

(32,606 posts)
5. Say it isn't so.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:19 AM
Dec 2016

Do you mean all those young 3rd party voters currently carrying a load of student debt won't get any help? No......


Seems like they voted against their own self-interest, much like all the low-information voters in the Rust Belt. No.... Kids are smarter than that










or so I thought

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
16. Old white men put Trump in the white house. Not millenials.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:06 PM
Dec 2016

Here's a relevent part

KHALID: So she did win you could say a majority of millennial voters as well, but there was not that same level of enthusiasm and support. And that was a problem for her. You know, both I should say Donald Trump and Mitt Romney did equally poorly with millennial voters, so I don't want to sort of dismiss the fact that he was not popular. They both got about 37 percent of voters under the age of 29.


Basically, Michael Moore called it:

The Depressed Sanders Vote. Stop fretting about Bernie’s supporters not voting for Clinton – we’re voting for Clinton! The polls already show that more Sanders voters will vote for Hillary this year than the number of Hillary primary voters in ’08 who then voted for Obama. This is not the problem. The fire alarm that should be going off is that while the average Bernie backer will drag him/herself to the polls that day to somewhat reluctantly vote for Hillary, it will be what’s called a “depressed vote” – meaning the voter doesn’t bring five people to vote with her. He doesn’t volunteer 10 hours in the month leading up to the election. She never talks in an excited voice when asked why she’s voting for Hillary. A depressed voter. Because, when you’re young, you have zero tolerance for phonies and BS. Returning to the Clinton/Bush era for them is like suddenly having to pay for music, or using MySpace or carrying around one of those big-ass portable phones. They’re not going to vote for Trump; some will vote third party, but many will just stay home. Hillary Clinton is going to have to do something to give them a reason to support her — and picking a moderate, bland-o, middle of the road old white guy as her running mate is not the kind of edgy move that tells millenials that their vote is important to Hillary. Having two women on the ticket – that was an exciting idea. But then Hillary got scared and has decided to play it safe. This is just one example of how she is killing the youth vote.


http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

His warning of a "rust-belt Brexit" was also prescient.

Leading up to the final days of the election, anything posted here by anybody worrying that Hillary could lose, like the Michael Moore piece, was dismissed as concern trolling.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
18. So you start a thread blaming millenials for not showing up
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:13 PM
Dec 2016

when a solid majority of old white men voted for Trump.

What's the logic?

Don't people here realize that shame is a terrible motivator?

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
19. But, see, they didn't show up. If they had, Hillary would
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:15 PM
Dec 2016

be taking he oath of office, despite all those old white men. I'm sure you showed up and voted, so I'm not blaming you. You are an individual, as am I. I voted for Hillary. I expect that you did too. My complaint is about those who did not vote at all or wasted their vote. If you're not in that category, you have no blame. You're not responsible for anyone but yourself.

fizzed

(2 posts)
27. Millennial vote was UP from 2012
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 03:42 PM
Dec 2016

Newer data:
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/11/21/how-millennials-voted/

Millennials turned out at 49% in 2012, 50% in 2016.

Sad truth is Trump was elected by white men and women, Millennials included. 51% white women, 68% white men voted Trump (give or take only a bit over all ages and education levels).

Non-white Millennials were solid Hillary.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
9. they'll realize that Democrats and Republicans are not the exact same thing
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:26 AM
Dec 2016

like a lot of young millennials have been saying this election cycle.

Johonny

(20,820 posts)
10. Under 55 voted heavily democratic in the election...if they voted
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:38 AM
Dec 2016

from the breakdown I saw. It's really been the problem for years now. The last gasp of the baby boomer fighting against FDR and civil rights and the younger generations simple tuning them out and not voting. I'm absolutely sick of arguing over 50 year old liberal concepts that have worked incredible for the American people and 50 year old conservative concepts that haven't. People need to wake up and stop voting GOP or else get use to being a third world country.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
11. Then more of them should vote, don't you think?
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:44 AM
Dec 2016

Why didn't they? In the millennial age group, fewer voted than even in 2012, and there were more eligible voters. Everyone who turned 18 after 2013 was eligible to vote. The millennial age group grew in numbers, but even fewer of them showed up at that polls than in 2012.

That is my entire point. They didn't vote, so they didn't get to decide who won. If they had voted, they would have probably voted in the majority for Clinton and she would be the President-elect.

As for the over 55 age group, that's the group I'm in. I voted for Hillary. My wife, who is also in that age group, voted for Hillary. In fact, just about everyone I know in that age group did the same. More importantly, that age group votes in larger percentages than the millennials. Why is that, do you think?

Bottom line is that those millennials who did not bother or did not vote for Hillary are about to experience what Donald Trump has in mind for them. I doubt they're going to like it much at all. More's the freaking pity, isn't it?

Johonny

(20,820 posts)
13. Traditionally, the older you are, the more you have, the more settled you are, they more likely you
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:58 AM
Dec 2016

vote. People that rent don't vote as often as people that own homes etc... historically the more you make the more likely you are to show up. Younger people tend to have less permanent establishment. They feel less apart of the American apparatus, thus they tend to vote less. The same goes for lower income people. They tend to rent, feel less a part of the community, and thus tend to vote less. If you want some good news...more people as a percentage vote now than ever. I guess that's good. Obviously if candidate 2020 wants to win they need to go to Howard Dean's style of a string candidate in every race and strong grass roots door to door in every community. Make people feel they belong and they show up. Democrats are pushing programs to help the people that tend to be less likely to vote. It's a struggle because clearly there is a psychological element to the lack of voting among the young and low income people. Given, it's a real thing, it's clearly in the voting data, why haven't Democrats worked harder at turn out over the past 8 years. It's a question that needs answering.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
33. Hasn't the 18-30 year old voters always been the lowest demographic voting?
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 05:58 PM
Dec 2016

I recall that was the way even when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
35. I don't disagree with you, but what do you do to get them to vote?
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 08:54 PM
Dec 2016

When I was that age, I was interested and concerned about policies, such as the VietNam War, the draft, and then the reinstatement of registering for the draft by Jimmy Carter. I supported the Equal Rights Amendment. But so many of the kids had no interest in politics, and they were the ones voting for reagan

Obviously, the billions spent on political ads is turning them off, as it probably is to a lot of Americans. There is no real discussion about the issues by the candidates, nor is there any enthusiasm generated by the candidates.

Why can't we have a real discussion about the policies of the candidates rather than the bullshit that is fed to us by the right wing corporate media? Or has this country just become so dumbed down, that there is no real critical thinking.

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
12. As a millennial, all of my friends and I made the adult decision
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:51 AM
Dec 2016

and voted for Hillary. It took some of us longer than others to move from Bernie in the primary to Hillary in the general and none of us were excited about her. A lot of us had legitimate concerns about her, concerns that aren't the sensational media talking points like emails and Benghazi- rather fracking (we're arguably the most environmentally friendly generation), hawkish foreign policy (don't forget we've grown up through war. We're sick of it. And we hate being told we're unrealistic because we think our tax dollars should go to helping American people rather than disastrous regime change foreign policy that just causes more problems down the line.)

One of the things I have been most disappointed by in this election are the establishment elites of the party looking down their noses at us millennials saying we're idealistic (the horror of demanding something from our elected officials. Maybe we should let them walk over us instead?), dumb (we were discovering our candidate when he got little to no media attention in those early days. We shared videos all over social media of his time in Congress speaking against the war in Iraq, against Wall Street deregulation, standing up for gay soldiers in the 90s. He caught our interest and we researched more and talked to our parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles), lazy (we were the ones funding our candidate. We were organizing, phonebanking, creating energy). If the party has learned anything from this election, it might just be that the future is indeed bright. When the party runs people we are inspired by, we will show up in force. You don't even have to worry about us voting, we will be working to get OTHER generations to vote. We WANT to have a say. As we saw with Obama, it's much easier to utilize our energy than try to fight against it. We're at a turning point in our party. Listen to what millennials are saying or risk losing an entire generation at a time when the party has been losing seats in Congress as it is.

Apologies for the small rant.. just some of my thoughts.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
14. And yet, millennial turnout in 2016 was lower than in 2012.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:59 AM
Dec 2016

There's the takeaway. That's the point of this thread. That drop in turnout is going to have an enormous impact on everyone's lives, but perhaps even more impact on the lives of millennials.

You voted for Hillary. Your friends voted for Hillary. That's a good thing. Thank you for that. However, the turnout was what it was.

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
20. Absolutely.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:28 PM
Dec 2016

What my point was is that you can't be too terribly surprised about millennial turnout when a powerful portion of the party has acted condescending to them, have dismissed them, and have worked to silence their voices. You can't dismiss them one moment and then want all of their time and energy the next. It doesn't work like that. Hillary herself had a horrible answer in one of the forums saying that young people "hadn't done their research." This sort of messaging needs to stop or we will continue to lose elections.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
21. Here's the thing: Vote for yourself.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:38 PM
Dec 2016

Voting affects your individual future. It's not about lofty goals or dreams. It's not about whether candidates condescend to you or treat you like royalty. It's about choosing between two general directions things will go.

Voting isn't about popularity. It's about reality.

Voting is a simple thing we can do to influence the future. In presidential elections, voting is a binary choice. Always. I can guarantee that there will never be a presidential candidate you agree with on all issues. Never. There never has been and never will be.

When you vote for President, you're voting for a general trend. There are always two trends on the ballot. Voting lets you select the trend you prefer and against the one you do not. It's a choice between two options. There is no third option in presidential elections.

So, go to the polls and vote for the option you thing will be better than the other option. There is no third option and there is no perfect option. This nation is too large and too diverse for there ever to be a perfect or ideal option.

You can vote, or you can skip the election. If you do the latter, you simply don't have any voice at all. Nobody will hear you if you say nothing. Whether you love the choices you have, they are the choices you have. If you don't make a choice, others will decide for you. It's that freaking simple when it comes to our presidential elections, and for most other elections, too.

I've voted in every election since I was eligible to do so in 1965. Every election, including odd-year elections. I vote for every office and every issue on every ballot, even when I don't much like the options presented. Why? Because I will have to live with the results.

For those who didn't vote, and those who skipped the presidential race and those who voted for some third party candidate, the results are that you get to live during a Trump administration for the next four years. That's what you decided to do. Every election is a decision. Once it's over, you live with the results.

Take my word for it: Vote!

PatsFan87

(368 posts)
24. I agree with you about the realism of having two choices
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:14 PM
Dec 2016

which is why I voted for Hillary and convinced others to do the same. She was not my ideal candidate but she was not a dumpster fire like Trump. It was more important keeping him out of office.

Of course voting matters but we have got to recognize that words and the way people are treated also matter. Politics is about policy but it's also about process, about how we bring people to the table, about how we treat and listen to people. Many people vote solely on issues. Clearly from this election, others vote on whether or not they think they are being listened to and whether they think they matter. We must acknowledge this. You say that it's not about "lofty goals or dreams". Of course it is. Obama utilized people's imaginations brilliantly during 2008. Letting people feel something is the most powerful way to reach them, not numbers or the intimate details of somebody's plan. That's just speaking realistically. Ending slavery, desegregation, marriage equality were once "lofty goals." But using words and having a process of bringing people of different backgrounds together instead of dismissing certain people is what brought about that change. People matter and process matters and the Democratic party needs to acknowledge and deal with an elitist wing of the party turning people away or we will continue to lose elections.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
31. This has already been debunked up thread and you keep bringing it up
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 04:22 PM
Dec 2016

Millenials had a higher turnout in 2016 than 2012 and voted for Hillary. Please update your post.

fizzed

(2 posts)
28. Millennial vote was actually UP from 2012 in 2016
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 03:50 PM
Dec 2016

Millennials turned out at 49% in 2012, 50% in 2016. Newer data:
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/11/21/how-millennials-voted/

Sad truth is Trump was elected by white men and women of all ages, Millennials included. 51% white women, 68% white men voted Trump (give or take only a bit over all ages and education levels).

Non-white Millennials were solid Hillary.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
29. Yes, my generation is to blame for not cleaning up the messes your generation made.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 04:14 PM
Dec 2016

If millennials had gone out to vote, Clinton could have won. Of course, if boomers had stayed home, Clinton could have won.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
32. Blaming the generation that actually voted for Hillary rather than the generation that actually
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 04:25 PM
Dec 2016

voted for Trump is a seriously WTF moment here on DU.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
36. Kick. The OP has been completely owned in this thread
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:17 PM
Dec 2016

spreading bullshit (somehow DT is the millennials fault) and lies (millennials didn't turn out like 2012) and suddenly disappeared.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
37. The Facebook generation.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:44 PM
Dec 2016

I worry about a lot of these kids who grew up with cellphones, texting, Myspace, Facebook, etc. I think modern media could be to information what sugar is to food. The levels of consumption that are now routine might be "toxic." Millennials might not be living in reality.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
39. All of the boomers I know voted for Hillary.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:22 PM
Dec 2016

So, we are not happy with the outcome. Trump will do great harm to us, too.

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