What I said to someone who told me that Hillary joining the Jill Stein recount was hypocritical.

[Table]

I was talking to someone who said it is hypocritical for Hillary to take part in the recount because she said that anyone who doesn't respect the results of the election (Drumph) is a danger to democracy.

I said well, if there is evidence of a Russian or GOP hack, then there should be a recount and if there was no recount, that would be the REAL danger to democracy.

[kelly1mm]

1. What evidence of GOP/Russian hacking of the VOTE? Both the White House and the Clinton campaign

say there is no evidence of the vote being hacked (not that there were not hacks of DNC servers .......)

[Table]

2. Are you sure? I think that was the entire reason for the recount.

[kelly1mm]

4. yes see below

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/white-house-hackers-election-recount-231849

White House insists hackers didn't sway election, even as recount begins


The Obama administration said it has seen no evidence of hackers tampering with the 2016 presidential election, even as recount proceedings began in Wisconsin.
“We stand behind our election results, which accurately reflect the will of the American people,” a senior administration official told POLITICO late Friday.


“The federal government did not observe any increased level of malicious cyber activity aimed at disrupting our electoral process on election day,” the official added. “We believe our elections were free and fair from a cybersecurity perspective.”

[jmg257]

5. The pre-election polls vs the results were "suspicious", according to a computer scientist

Of course, the same guy also said:

"Were this year’s deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked."

J. Halderman

https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.168pwqmmx

We also had these guys:

"Some data scientists and political statisticians, including FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver and The New York Times’ Nate Cohn, cast doubt on the claims, which compared voting in counties that used paper ballots with those that used electronic machines. Silver and Cohn said the suspicious results disappear when controlling for demographic factors like race and education"

[kelly1mm]

6. and

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-state-recounts-reaction-jill-stein-231897

Clinton team shrugs off recount effort
Jill Stein's recounts have energized legions of hopeful Democrats. Not Hillary Clinton's closest allies


Hillary Clinton’s closest allies are irritated with Jill Stein.
Most of the small circle of operatives and friends surrounding the vanquished Democratic nominee have no illusions that the former Green Party candidate’s recount pushes in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and maybe Michigan, will even come close to flipping the result of the presidential election. And they have no interest in handing Donald Trump another political victory when Stein’s efforts fall short.


Indeed, there’s no push to have Clinton say anything public about the recount — or even for anyone on the campaign side to weigh in beyond occasional blog posts and tweets from campaign lawyer Marc Elias.

The election, they know, is over.

[Lint Head]

8. This.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/will-congress-investigate-russian-interference-2016-campaign

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/11/senators-probe-for-details-on-russian-involvement-in-election/509249/

[kelly1mm]

10. those links allege hacking of the DNC and perhaps Clinton's server. They do not allege hacking VOTES

there is a difference. The recount would have to show that the votes cast were not counted (or overcounted) That voters were motivated by Russian disinformation may be a scandal but would not be exposed by a recount.

Oh, and I assume both the white house and the Clinton campaign were unaware of this article when they both state there is no evidence of hacking the vote?

[Blanks]

3. Hillary said Trump's position was 'terrifying'...

That was her statement about him not respecting the results. She accepted the results. There is nothing hypocritical about asking that the results be verified.

She's already demonstrated that she is willing to respect the outcome if it is verified.

[MichMan]

7. Why is hacking only a concern in three states?

If there is no evidence of hacking, who is going to reimburse Michigan for the millions spent on the recount? Stein is only paying for a fraction of the cost, each individual county is on the hook for the remainder.

[SoCalMusicLover]

9. Proof Of This?

Please show where you saw it stated that each county is on the line for bill.

[Maru Kitteh]

11. Where recounts go forward, all interested parties should participate.

It's that simple.