JUST STOP IT!

[sheshe2]

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President Obama has been the best thing that happened to this Country in the past, almost eight years now. His approval rating is at an all time high. You would never know that by reading DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. To this day I am reading posts trashing him. Gawd, you people never give up. He has been trashed for years, by the GOP (One term President. You Lie. Ape. Not an American. He does not love this Country. Boy. N***er.) and by people that call themselves Dems here (POSUCS with hundreds and hundreds of RECOMMENDS!)


We are on the cusp of moving out of the light into darkness. We have our fears yet don't know the depths of despair in which we will sink. Under tRump we will lose it all. Our ACA. Medicare. Medicaid. SS. Our Environment. Rights. All. The tRump has declared war on all that are non white men. He has declared open hunting season come 01/20/17. If you are a woman. black. PoC. Jew. LGBTQ. Muslim. aged. different. tread carefully, you have a bulls eye on your back. Stick as close to your friends and family as you can. Watch for abuse around you, help them.

All I said may well be a moot point the psychotic deranged man with his angry puerile 3 am tweets has the nuclear codes. None of us will survive WWIII.

One way or another many people will die. That is a fact.

[pangaia]

7. Heh heh..well put.

[George II]

61. So well put that he decided to self-delete?

[sheshe2]

67. Hugs

[Cary]

28. It's that simple

Yet the bashers persist.

[sheshe2]

40. Thanks Cary.

[bigmonkey]

35. First response confirms the OP

No high ground in evidence.

[dae]

54. Did I miss something in Duckhunters post? I thought he was agreeing

with the OP and asking for civility along with cooperation.
Of course it's about 2:30am Central and my eyes and I need sleep.

[dae]

56. Thanks, the freaking whining hear is out of control.

[sheshe2]

68. He is going through the Op

deleting all his posts. Why?????

[dae]

73. Good question. I didn't take pics and do not remember the

exact posts or anything offensive in them.

[MelissaB]

74. Maybe because some people here are being alert stalked?

Just a guess.

[sheshe2]

76. Bwahahahaha

I sure am being stalked.

Just a fact.

[George II]

78. Well, for a while there it looked to me like ol' DH was doing the stalking, but we'll never know....

...since he self-deleted about a dozen posts here and there and I don't have a photographic memory (just a photogenic one, I've seen my brain scans! )

[sheshe2]

80. He is deleting on other posts threads as well.

Thanks for having my back.

[George II]

57. Bernie Sanders in his own words (all DIRECT quotes from him):

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."

"The Democratic and Republican parties are tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, they both adhere to an ideology of greed and vulgarity."

“Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?”

“I am extremely proud to be an independent. The fact that I am not a Democrat gives me the freedom to speak out on the floor of the House, to vote against both the Democratic and Republican proposals.”

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

"One can argue that the two-party system is a sham."

“I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat."

“The main difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in this city,” he said in an interview in Burlington in July with a Cornell student writing a master’s thesis, “is that the Democrats are in insurance and the Republicans are in banking.”

“I am not a Democrat, period.”

And there are many more.

[MelissaB]

75. I think you got your answer here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125912070#post1

[George II]

77. I wouldn't know, Duckhunter self deleted and my post didn't ask a question.

[sheshe2]

81. Hey Melissa!

thanks so much for kicking my thread, much appreciated.

[MelissaB]

82. Hey sheshe2!

You're certainly welcome.

[sheshe2]

83. Do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Warpy]

2. While I will resent the hell out of being terminated by ignorance,

stupidity, spite, and pure assholery, I have no intention of surviving it.

However, until and unless it happens, I pledge to stand up for any person I see being attacked by a bigot. Period.

[sheshe2]

4. Someone posted a clip from the movie the Dead Zone. (Stephen King)

It has been years since I watched it. Horrifying.

Not sure where I read it here, so can't give credit.

Hey Warpy, I will stand by them too. If that is the way I go, so be it.

[spanone]

3. K&R...

[Hekate]

5. KnR

[betsuni]

6. K&R

[montana_hazeleyes]

8. Thank you sheshe2!

I just saw someone on the thread about the pipeline bashing President Obama twice with no one sticking up for him. I had to leave the thread it was so sickening.

I have seen this bashing more happening more recently. Do you have any thoughts on it? I do.

[sheshe2]

11. Yup....

That was one of them.

Yes some are very new posters. Hmmmm. Oh I do have thoughts, nope won't say on the board.

[montana_hazeleyes]

16. Thanks.

I know we can't mention it on here. About the thoughts we may have, but I've noticed there have been some bashing posts from some high post count posters also.

They may not know it now, but they will be missing this wonderful president.

[sheshe2]

17. All I will say....

He is my President. Best in my lifetime with a flawless beautiful family.

Michelle wanted to make America Healthy again while the new pig elect stuffs his cholesterol laden body with fast foods. OY.

Thanks montana.

[awoke_in_2003]

31. What is sickening

is what is happening to the people out there. Being shot in the head with rubber bullets, having arms being blown apart with concussion grenades, being sprayed with water in freezing conditions. Oh, but someone said something that wasn't nice about the president in his warm and comfy house. Boo fucking boo.

[sheshe2]

42. Wow.

I know you did not post directly to me, yet it was hurtful to me. You are completely OT. We at DU and this President has been addressing the Dakota Pipeline. You did not need to come on my OP and trash this President. The OP was about tRump and every right we will lose in just over a month. If you think what happened at the pipeline was bad, well sit down and buckle your belt, whoopee we are going to die, from our SS or healthcare being taken away, maybe that will be first. Take a breathe and think, he will have the nuclear codes very soon and he has said he wants to use them.

I sure we have room on DU for a new POSUCS thread. We love Dems here soooooooooooooo much I am sure you can get hundreds of recs. Let it rip.

[awoke_in_2003]

65. What is over the top

is that none of our leaders or media gave a damn about what was going on out there until veterans started showing up. So, brutalizing Native Americans is fine and dandy, just don't do it to veterans. What our government has done for hundreds of years, and continues to do, to these people is disgusting.

[sheshe2]

71. There is no need to bash the President to make your point.

I wish people would spend more time bashing the GOP who are the greedy suckers that are bleeding America and all her people dry.

Native Americans and all minorities will be dying in numbers come 01/20/17. That will include vets as well, no needy people or minority will be exempt.

As for the media....bought and sold a loooong time ago. I haven't watched for years, why bother.

[awoke_in_2003]

72. I didn't bash him

My "boo fucking hoo" was for the people getting upset because someone said something mean about the president. If Standing Rock were happening under Bush, we'd be going apeshit over it.

[sheshe2]

85. Yet Bushco was not the point of the OP.

[sheshe2]

86. You know and I know you do not like me...

We know this.

You said.

What is sickening

is what is happening to the people out there. Being shot in the head with rubber bullets, having arms being blown apart with concussion grenades, being sprayed with water in freezing conditions. Oh, but someone said something that wasn't nice about the president in his warm and comfy house. Boo fucking boo.

You think he did not care? Do you have proof he never worked on the situation to save lives? He diverted the pipe line and yet you trash him. So very sorry he was sitting in his house at the time. You hate him, got that. You are in good company here, many do as well.

[awoke_in_2003]

87. I have never had a problem with you

I don't think I've ever had a cross word with you. What pisses me off is that our "leaders" don't do a goddamned thing until an "important"'group like veterans show up. NA are more oppressed in this country than even AA people, and are even killed by cops at a higher rate. But NOBODY seems to give a damn, because fucking Injuns is an American tradition. Full disclosure- I am part Cherokee (only 1/16th) so maybe that skews my perception.

On edit: I am also, at least, 1/8th Irish and married to an MA woman- my family is quite the melting pot.

[sheshe2]

96. That important group of vets?

Have been sidelined and rejected by the GOP for years. Look, tRumps here, they will lose even more. So will every minority. We are about to lose SS.ACA.MEDICARE. MEDICAID.VETS BENEFITS.SNAP.HUD.VOTING RIGHTS.CIVIL RIGHTS.RIGHT TO CHOSE.MORE.

What bothered me was you said our Prez was just sitting at home. We are about to face the worst possible president in our history that has angry tweet rants at 3AM. This puerile man has the launch codes and has said he wants to use them. I for one am terrified.

Sorry, I am not mad at you I am made at a world that elected an insane man.

PS, I am a very small part Mohawk and a lot more thrown in.

Peace~

[awoke_in_2003]

110. I put important

in paranthesis because politicians and the media use them for optics and PR, not because they actually do anything to help them or anyone else. They (politicians) have to look good' or the cameras. They will look good for a few days, then Americans will forget about what is going on out their, because we have zero attention span about things that matter.

[sagetea]

112. sheshe2,

President Obama came to the Standing Rock reservation and told us that he had our backs and the backs of our children. We gave him a name, he was adopted into the tribe.

He very well could have stopped what was happening before the Vets got there. And thank god that he did finally stop it, because it was about to get worse.

I have never been to war, but in talking to the Vets that were there before all the other ones came, it is a whole different story when you are facing police in full military uniform, who happen to be the same countrymen as you. It's daunting! I can only imagine how people that we are at war with feels like to see somebody in full US military uniforms and full permission to kill them feel right before a soldier takes their life. But to feel it from another that is not only from your country, but state and took an oath to protect and to serve the people of that state, it hurts, deeply. I hope you never know how that feels. And given the fact that WE Are all Americans, we ARE given the RIGHT to be angry, hurt, saddened, about the president and express it, is a first amendment right. That feeling that no one is speaking up for us again, that is quite painful!

I love this president, I love his beautiful wife and daughters, for the last eight years I felt that I could breathe, that finally, finally, someone understood our purpose in this country, the pride we carry along with 500 + years of being called a dirty injun, a dirty drunk injun. Not being allowed to participate in our own Spiritual beliefs until the late 70's, of only one side of history that ever got told, and our history is still not being told after all this time.

But, his telling us that "We'll let this play out for a few weeks" was extremely disheartening, then the water cannons in freezing temperatures came, and to us, it was nothing but another lie. You have to understand the amount of betrayal that came with that. There is deep rooted anger and pain. President Obama knew that, yet he still waited to act.

I still believe, that President Obama IS the best president in my lifetime. I am ever honored that I got to live in this time that he is our president. I honor him, I honor you for your loyalty to him, and to all on this site who do, he is a very good man, and I believe that he would have done more to protect us if it wasn't an election year. My heart tells me that.

Ho'

sage

[sheshe2]

113. Hi sage.

I am so very sorry for what happened to you and your people. No, it was not right how you were treated. This Country has never treated you well, they just took from you and you were the ones that were here first. We have a very sad shameful record for out treatment of those in the human race. Now it is just going to get even worse.

Yes, I will be missing him now more than ever.

Peace to you and yours, sage.

she

[lpbk2713]

9. Excellent post.

Well stated.

KnR

[NBachers]

10. I can remember thinking, "Do I really want to expose myself by posting my support for Obama?"

Then I can remember thinking, "Do I really want to expose myself by posting my support for Hillary?"

Sometimes it was easier to keep my head down than to experience the wrath of DU anti-Obama or anti-Hillary trolls.

[sheshe2]

13. Yes, NBachers, I know what you are feeling.

I will tell you one thing for sure. I will not leave Obama now. I love the man and will not leave him in his last few weeks. He has served us well and the family, they have brought us so much joy.

I stay because I like talking to a few here. It would be like leaving my family behind if I left.

Hill is still a raw sore for us. She had this and now she is gone.

Hug.

[Cha]

12. Thanks she! President Obama has been a brilliant President

Those who defended him on this board are the winners..

We knew what the hell we were doing.







Skinnnerhttps://mic.com/articles/161135/the-10-most-badass-moments-of-obama-s-presidency-show-exactly-why-so-many-will-miss-him#.8l81XO6np

BOG!

[sheshe2]

14. Oh shit....

Please don't go.

[Cha]

15. There was a 'toon of the Statue of Liberty holding

on to President Obama by one ankle.. we know how she feels.

[sheshe2]

18. yup

[Skidmore]

19. Absolutely...

well said.

[sheshe2]

46. Skidmore!

How are you sweetie?

[Skidmore]

49. Mending slowly.

Still here, sister woman. Love ya!

[sheshe2]

50. I have missed you.

[Skidmore]

51. This one-handed typing

slows me down. And I have daily appts to go to. Recovery is exhausting work.

[sheshe2]

53. So many hugs to you.

You will do this. It will be okay.

Love you.

[brer cat]

20. He earned our respect

and gratitude, and for many of us our love. I have no use for those who bash him because they didn't get their special pink sparkle pony.

I do believe he will stay with us when we move into the darkness. How much he can accomplish remains to be seen, but I don't think he will give up without a fight, and I am going to be with him. #stillmypresident.

Thank you, sheshe.

[zipplewrath]

29. My pink sparkle ponies

I was going to leave this thread alone until you threw in that turd.

I'm glad he was president and not any of his former opponents. I'm more than sad who the successor will be. And I think he faced an incredible about of obstructionism during his two terms (the most incredible being this SC nomination. Anyone want to point out that Obama go more votes than Trump, and so did Clinton? Maybe "the people" did "make their choice" and it ain't who Trump is gonna pick). I'm also extremely grateful that he managed to keep himself AND his cabinet out of any real scandals. Strangely, most of his troubles came from Bush era hold overs (one of the mistakes I think he made).

That said, here are the "pink sparkle ponies" for which I hold him responsible

The Afghan war is still going on because he chose not to follow the advice of his VP. His first action there was to triple the number of troops.

He stayed in Iraq way longer than he needed too, and to what end? We're back anyway, and the place is a basket case. What did those deaths accomplish?

He classified all of the torture photos.

He "had the backs" of the people who committed torture and couldn't find a single person who did anything wrong in torturing the detainees.

He NEVER tried to "close" Gitmo. All he ever attempted to do was to move it. He still asserts the authority to hold people indefinitely without trial on his authority alone.

His "targeted killing" policy is dubious at best, and extremely dangerous at worst. They have a hard time demonstrating that it has particularly accomplished much at all, except to have driven the most disturbed people away from Al Queda and into ISIS.

His stimulus was too small by half at best. He completely ignored all of those who told him so and never tried to correct the problem. Instead he pursued the "Grand Bargain".

His policy of saving the banks, and letting the banks screw the mortgage holders in indefensible. That he ensured that the bankers got their bonuses, despite crashing the entire economy is completely indefensible, even though his former Treasury Secretary still tries to justify it.

He made fun of mandates as a candidate, and then advocated for them as president.

He declared that single payer "wouldn't work" here.

Rick Warren, need I say more. Right after Prop 8 no less.

TPP. He needed to keep the environmentalists and the unions involved through the whole process, instead of ultimately letting the corporations take total control of the job.

And probably the worst, and to a great degree what I hold myself responsible for the most, is that he didn't believe, nor understand what Hillary was trying to warn him 8 long years ago in the primary. The GOP wasn't going to work with him if he "reached across the aisle". You have to be prepared to force them into what needs to be done. I shoulda voted for her 8 years ago.


It's a sad day if these issues are considered "pink sparkle ponies". It's an even worst day if legitimate criticism is prevented here. Because then it just becomes a big echo chamber. Yes I have a high bar for the performance of the President of the United States. We all should. The minute we lower that bar, it all goes to hell.

[ProfessorPlum]

30. Agreed

just because the guy is great and also charismatic, and has some really excellent policies, doesn't mean we shouldn't point out the problems, too.

he isn't the Dear Leader. it's a job that gets criticized, and there is a fair bit of stuff, even for the excellent Obama, that deserves to be noted and criticized.

It's not a black and white world (and pardon me for that metaphor).

[cwydro]

33. This.

Thank you.

[Nevernose]

36. A massive, frightening expansion of

The security state. He's locked up more whistleblowers than any other president, expanded the unconstitutional surveillance of American (and other) citizens, and pardoned fewer people than any president for at least a hundred years.

These things aren't sparkle ponies, or pet issues.

I'm agreeing with you. I just wanted to say that there are legitimate issues to criticize Obama on, in addition to the ones you issued, yet we can still be thankful that he's been our president.

[sheshe2]

47. Link on the pardons?

TIA

[Nevernose]

59. Here:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-04/obama-says-he-will-catch-up-on-pardons-but-hes-far-behind

He has commuted lots of sentences, mostly of people too harshly sentenced. He should definite get credit both for that and helping to bring the disparity to the nation's attention.

[alarimer]

38. Yes to this.

I find it very telling that, if such policies were pursued by Bush (or now by Trump), they would be heavily criticized and rightfully so.
I don't get this idea that we are not to criticize the people we elect. To me, that is our job. Our job does not end in the voting booth. We do not and should not have blind faith in our leaders, no matter how smart or charismatic they may be. Partisanship for the sake of partisanship is really stupid. It's how we end up in stupid wars. Then again, I do have a serious problem with hero worship or adulation of any politicians regardless of their merits.

[melman]

48. Some people want this to be a fanclub

They act like they're on pinterest or something. It's ridiculous.

[kcr]

106. It's because the point isn't that you can't criticize. It's the method of attack.

I feel like I'm such a tiny minority in that I get this, sometimes, and it's so frustrating. I don't understand why this isn't obvious. Especially now with Trump about take office. How is it not obvious that people will immediately feel protective when they feel threatened? And how is Trump just about not the biggest threat out there? I don't get it. I will criticize the live long day, but somehow I've managed to learn how to do it in a way that doesn't threaten allies. I've learned the difference between genuine criticism and destructive spoiling.

[Generator]

45. Obama the man is an amazing person

Amazing father. Amazing mind. Amazing husband. Amazing friend (I know he was to Biden) He tried. But his reaching across the aisle stick as you said as doomed us. Fucking doomed us. He is going to lose everything of his legacy and we all are because he wouldn't fight. Wouldn't even fire Comey afterwards with nothing to lose. Release the Putin-Trump ties. Fight to stop this insane madman from destroying us. So yes, he was great and he is letting us fall into ruins. So it's hard to feel the love as he leaves on his jet plane to his nice life. Where is the fight? I really believe we are doomed. I don't know if we will survive and he has to take some responsibility for it. It appears all he is doing now is shrugging his shoulders. Saw a preview of a Vice news special on HBO. He isn't going to do shit.

(and you succinctly added all that he did that was a problem-but I'm sorry not doing everything humanly possible-even quasi legal to stop Trump matters more than all of it-all of it-except maybe not prosecuting torturers-Ah America is shit isn't it I try to pretend!)


WE ARE ON OUR OWN NOW. Bye Obama. You were like a good dream that turned into a nightmare.

[George II]

58. You haven't done your homework, just listed a number of anti-Obama bullet points. Please try....

...to research at least some of those to see exactly why he did what he did (or, in your eyes, what he didn't do)

[zipplewrath]

88. I know why

It was a failure none the less. Good intentions don't mean anything when your underlying decisions are wrong. Do you really think that any significant number of voters thought that when he campaigned on "closing" GITMO, they thought he meant moving it to Illinois? Do you really think Biden was wrong on Afghan policy? Did you read Geither's book on why he made sure the bankers got their bonuses? Do you agree with him? Do you agree with his assertion that single payer won't work here?

[sheshe2]

97. I will only answer one...

There were never enough votes for single payer. Not EVER. Even BS was not able to push it through in Vermont. Why? To expensive.

Sad you are here harping on Obama when you should be focused on our pResident elect. You remember him? He is the man that wants to take away ACA SS MEDICARE MEDICAID SNAPS VETERANS BENEFITS CIVIL RIGHTS MORE............ Yet your concern is bashing Obama.

Priorities?

[zipplewrath]

100. Multi-tasking

My priorities here is working towards moving the party forward in the correct direction. I can spend time here criticizing Trump, and I do occasionally, but when you think about it, it's really preaching to the choir and pretty much pointless around here. Elsewhere I spend a lot of time talking about Trump to those who need to hear it. Elsewhere, I spent a lot of time defending Obama against really unsupportable criticism. But I'm honest with them. I told them that I had many things of his to be critical, but I was pretty sure it wasn't what THEY though was worthy of criticism. Quite honestly, if you talk to a generic supporter of the GOP, the things I criticized, were often the things they DIDN'T mind that Obama did.

Just because single payer wasn't politically possible, doesn't mean it won't "work" here. And it sure isn't something that a progressive president should be declaring. And the reason it was "too expensive" in Vermont is because the money that would fund it is not available to them. It's busy paying for the ACA.

And criticizing the mistakes of Obama is not harping, it's called rational evaluation. But I understand you prefer something more like a fan club approach.

[Stellar]

21. Excellent post! K&R

[sheshe2]

52. Hey you...

I feel like this is the old days and I need to go back in the BOG for protection.

So much hatred of this President.

They are gonna love the next one. Holy goddess he will kill us all.

[liquid diamond]

62. Obama's critics

on this forum haven't seen shit yet.

[aikoaiko]

22. I'm fine with DUers criticizing/bashing President Obama and praising/adoring President Obama

There is room for both in my opinion.

[cwydro]

32. Agree. I have to wonder how many DUers consider themselves better off after the last eight years.

Judging by the profusion of gofundme threads here lately...I'm perplexed.

I voted for President Obama enthusiastically the first time, not so much the second. But I did vote for him.

I don't think he's been a bad president, but I've been disappointed on many levels.

Even the OP has lately posted about how things have gone poorly for her recently. I also was laid off during the Obama years. I also am not a young person. The ONLY time I suffered that in all my working years.

I was able to become employed pretty quickly again, but things are vastly different from 8 years ago.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. Nicely Stated, Sheshe!

And i also agree with Aikoaiko one post above me! There's room for both, but all criticism and no praise is ridiculous.

[Gothmog]

24. President Carter is a truly great human being

I am proud that he has been our POTUS

[mcar]

25. Best President of my lifetime

being replaced by a moron sociopath and some here are still criticizing Obama because he didn't do everything they wanted?

[RKP5637]

26. We had best all stick together and be on the same page as the next four years will be hell.

President Obama was one of the best. I feel fortunate to have lived through his 8 years. Whatever the next four years brings will be hell and might cast an extremely dark cloud on the US for decades to come. Many will not survive. Will the US even survive ...

[UtahLib]

27. I will miss President Obama, greatly.

Sad to say, that we have been witness to the fact that the enemy within can be much more damaging and vile than the enemy without.

[ehrnst]

34. Many did not survive Reagan, Bush or Pence.

I know that many will not survive this.

[NastyRiffraff]

37. K&R

Thanks for this, sheshe

[CakeGrrl]

39. PROUDLY voted twice for President Obama

Without needing to hold my nose.

This country is, on the whole, too regressive, racist and ignorant to have deserved him.

History will remember him well.

[InformedElitist]

43. me too; I hope so

What he couldn't get done was largely b/c of people who wanted him to fail since before day 1. Only in these sick times can it be a negative thing for someone to be an adult and try to function beyond partisanship. An intellectual with a sense of decency and a lack of any real scandal ought to be celebrated.

[Paladin]

41. K&R.

[GP6971]

44. K & R !!

[Aristus]

63. You know where I stand, sheshe2.

I will always admire President Obama as one of the finest Chief Executives we've ever had.

The right-wing fuck-monkeys and the Bernie-bot whiners who never got their unicorns and rainbows can kiss my ass.

Liberal Democrat till I DIE!

We're going to need each other these next four years. I'm not going anywhere.

[sheshe2]

64. I know you.

I know you will be here. Yes, we are going to need each other more than ever now. Lights are going out soon. Let's keep a candle in the window for those in need. Your new clinic is doing that. That is a good start. The timing could not be more perfect for those in need.

always love talking to you.

Best~

She

yup...

[pinboy3niner]

66. Stop it or I'll bury you alive in a box!

[Paladin]

70. K&R.

[riversedge]

79. REC. I hate this darkness.

[AgadorSparticus]

84. Some people only have 2 modes: hate hillary or hate obama.

I wish they would just go away.

[zipplewrath]

89. As opposed to

The other two modes. Worship them.

One can criticize without hate.

[AgadorSparticus]

90. Anything is possible. But that's not what happened here. It was all hate.

[zipplewrath]

99. And there's been plenty of worshiping

And it lost us several elections. But the TOS not only allow it, but it is encouraged here.

[AgadorSparticus]

101. Good forbid we support our own candidate. With supporters who

Constantly criticize their own, who needs enemies? Thank god for the TOS. It made this place bearable.

And if you think this election was lost because of the candidate, then you're probably one of the reasons why the TOS was in place to begin with. Way to ignore all the election tampering and the media propaganda.

[zipplewrath]

103. You got any evidence?

Do you have any significant evidence that election "tampering" or "suppression"? I understand the assertion, especially because of the voter registration and early voting changes. But the reality is that there hasn't been any objective evidence that it had any significant impact on the national races. All you're doing is feeding the right wing hysteria on this subject. They keep losing in court because they can't provide any real evidence of "voter fraud" to support their changes.

We lost because the party has been tone deaf for years to the political desires of a lot of people. And all sorts of democrats are trying to tell you that and you're still not listening. It wasn't just Hillary that lost, a lot of democrats lost, and have been losing for a decade or more.

Being a mindless supporter that never sees anything wrong with their candidates isn't a way to "support" them. It's a way to ensure that they ultimately fail.

[AgadorSparticus]

104. Yes, the CIA discussed it with me yesterday.

Did Obama lose the last 8 years? I guess his presidencies didn't count.

[zipplewrath]

108. They count

But during those 8 years we lost the Senate, the House, and a lot of state houses. But if you can go out and find an Obama every 8 years, go for it. You didn't this time. And you were warned and did not listen. In fact, those that were sending out warnings were often banned, or alerted.

And I presume your snarky answer means, no, you don't have a shred of evidence for your assertions. And you will note that for all the valid kerfluffle over the Russian involvement, the CIA hasn't offered up any suggestion on how it actually changed the outcome.

[AgadorSparticus]

109. ...that you know of

"CIA hasn't offered up any suggestion on how it actually changed the outcome."

....that you know of

[zipplewrath]

111. Or you

Please tell me you aren't going the way of a conspiracy theory. You're making assertions and you've got nothing to back them up. You're making them because you need reasons to explain why an election was lost (many races by the by) and yet you ignore all the reasons that we DO know.

Look, she won more votes. It's very hard to win after holding the office for 8 years. The rise of "fake news" hasn't helped.

But we've had 8 years of economic expansion. The auto industry was "saved". Interest rates are/have been a historic lows. Unemployment is around 4%. And the opposition was the most unpopular guy maybe ever to run for office. And they couldn't turn that into a victory. Ya think maybe we over looked something the last 8 years?

[AgadorSparticus]

114. Right. Dems suck. Hillary sucks. Got it.

[zipplewrath]

115. They lose

They lose, that's what sucks. You come off as if you are very happy with losing as long as it is with candidates of which you personally approve. That's as bad as the "Anybody but..." crowd. Ya know, the ones that thought there was some value in losing.

[AgadorSparticus]

116. It doesn't matter. The media will rip ANYONE we put up.

So we can these circular firing squads in the name of progress, but it won't matter when we are fighting each other and helping the media do its bidding.

[sheshe2]

92. The POSUCS thread was pure venom and hate.

And highly recommended by people here. It sure wasn't about simply criticizing the man.

[AgadorSparticus]

105. I'm sure it was. But we know what this is REALLY about.

[sheshe2]

117. Yup, I do AG.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

91. K&R

[sheshe2]

93. LFR!

[Lady Freedom Returns]

94. Hey there sheshe2.

[Jamaal510]

95. K&R

[sheshe2]

98. Thanks Jamaal.

[MontanaMama]

102. Yes.

Thank you she. We are headed for a world where most of us are at risk. We cannot play into the hands of evil by eating our own.

[dreamland]

107. He ain't an orange blowhard

People are so blind to the fact that we are living in very good times. They crave for a time when the stock market nearly rubbed out our retirement accounts, when gas prices were high, and our food and water were compromised with the industrial greed. Our president was the best thing to have happened, but all his achievements were downplayed. All his work to help the people were hushed just because he hadn't tooted his own accomplishments. Thank you sheshe2 for defending this saint of a man.