I did NOT "defend the Klan"

[SaB2012]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by scarletwoman (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I've seen comments here from several posters and jury members claiming I "defended the KKK/Klan." I absolutely did no such thing! What I defended was known historical facts. The KKK at one time actually did try to make social and political reforms. Yes, their primary activities where overwhelmingly violent and terroristic -- I do NOT deny that -- but pointing out that it actually is accurate to say that they engaged in social and political reforms (no matter how wrongheaded the attempts -- which obviously failed spectacularly -- were) and questioning a source that does not provide full context of a couple of lines from a textbook is hardly "defending the Klan." Honestly, it's pretty sickening that this accusation was used by some jury members to deny my reporting of a disruptive, off-topic jab against me in a completely unrelated thread.

Now, quick! Someone be completely predictable and dismiss my complaints because I'm a "noob."

[ZombieHorde]

1. Happens to many of us from time to time.

I have been accused of defending/advocating things that I wasn't.

[hrmjustin]

3. Agreed! n/t

[patrice]

12. That. DOES. happen. nt

[yesphan]

34. Oh yeah,

me too. Surprised the crap out of me as well. I thought "how could you possibly come to that conclusion from what was written" ?

[AngryAmish]

70. Why are you defending the Klan!!

[ZombieHorde]

84. Funny. nt

[Honeycombe8]

121. Yes, it unfortunately happens. Some people don't read an entire post,

or misread it, or just can't have an impartial discussion about something.

[slackmaster]

2. Yes, the KKK supported wonderful reforms like the Volstead Act. Popcorn, anyone?

[SaB2012]

4. Thanks for the straw man

Where did I say their attempts to engage in reforms were "wonderful?"

[msongs]

9. get used to this sort of thing if u plan to stay here - words in your mouth-r-us lol nt

[slackmaster]

10. I can't tell what you actually said, because you haven't linked to it or fully quoted yourself

I'm not sure why you have posted this but I'm pretty sure it won't end well.

[SaB2012]

19. Probably not

It seems that people have a tendency to want to drive out anyone who doesn't mindlessly agree with them on even very minor points.

[hrmjustin]

27. that is not fair this person never said that they were wonderful. n/t

[The Magistrate]

5. Always Entertaining To See a Fella Double Down, Sir

You engaged in apologetics for the Ku Klux; you know it, and so does everyone who reads this....

[SaB2012]

6. No, I didn't

Where did I say that what they did was good and right? If I had, THAT would be "apologetics," sir.

[The Magistrate]

15. All Terror Organizations Have Political and Social Aims, Sir

People only call attention to them in debate, however, when their aim is to mitigate the outrage such a group's atrocious behavior produces in decent human beings.

[SaB2012]

18. But that's not what I did

I didn't say the Klan was not all that bad because they attempted to produce reforms. That is completely an invention on the part of you and others.

[The Magistrate]

22. There Is No Other Reason To State They 'Attempted To Produce Reforms', Sir, But Mitigation

You just need to relax, fella, take in a show....

[SaB2012]

25. Actually, yes, there is another reason

It's called "Providing the complete historical narrative." Yours is a straw man argument invented within your own head and based on absolutely nothing.

[The Magistrate]

32. Again, Fella, You Just Need To Relax, Take In a Show....

[datasuspect]

33. does fox news provide you guys with a fair and balanced primer on logical fallacies now?

[SaB2012]

40. Don't watch Fox.

Sorry to burst your dishonest bubble.

[bluerum]

76. To enhace your "complete historical narative" you could also mention

those 20th century social reformers - the nazis .

[redgreenandblue]

68. People call attention to them also when their aim is to shed light on historical context.

Hitler was popular in Germany because he promised to lift the country out of the great depression and because he promised payback for WWI greivances. Just pointing that out doesn't make one a nazi. And considering such things is in fact very important if one has a genuine interest in understanding how radical movements form.

You are assuming that just because you are aware of something everyone else automatically is too, and therefore no one can point such a thing out in a FYI kind of way without an agenda. This is wrong. I for one did not know that the Klan had a social platform, and this info gave me an insight as to how it was able to get such a strong foothold in the south after the civil war.

You are coming across as condescending and arrogant.

Granted, I read only this thread and not the original one so I cannot say 100% that the OP was not in fact defending the Klan. But if you are making such an accusation the burden of proof is with you.

[The Magistrate]

78. People Who Have Called Me Arrogant And Condescending, Sir, Is Not A Very Exclusive Club....

The comments addressed here were made in defense of 'Christian' educational materials that are a such a white-wash of the Ku Klux they make 'Birth of a Nation' seem a balanced presentation. Defending them is identifying with them; saying, 'well, you know, factually, they are true' is defending them.

"It's not bragging if you can do it."

[redgreenandblue]

87. Thanks for the context. I have read neither "Birth of Nation" nor said materials.

I'm sure they contain some facts, as many radical writings do. I have gotten the impression in the past that a common strategy of a "radical manifesto" is to take a big chunk of mainstream or "common sense" material and mix small radical poison pills in with them here or there. For instance, "Zeitgeist" contains a large segment of mainstream "leftist" talking points. Likewise Scientology rips off of other religions and mainstream psychology all over the place. Often the devil lies in the detail (or in the omissions). I maintain however that any of the writings of your favorite "evil person" can still be worth a read.

I'm sorry for my short-tempered response. It would have helped if you had provided some context starting out.

[The Magistrate]

89. Life Is Short, Sir, And Passes On Quickly At My Age....

There is neither space nor time enough to explain every damn thing, particularly things people ought to already know....

[redgreenandblue]

97. There does seem to be a noticable age gap here at DU.

Some people are indeed "noobs" in politics. I have witnessed such people get bashed and accused and having an agenda for simply not knowing something and seeming surprised about it.

I have learned a lesson: Any time you post something on the web, assume plenty of people are reading it that know much more about the subject than you. Don't engage in any form of speculation unless you are 100% solid in your knowledge of the facts and the big picture.

[patrice]

102. Or just simple identify speculation as speculation. Absolutes are highly improbable, admit the

possibility of error, because there's a great deal of discovery that can arise from honest commitment to that kind of effort.

[apocalypsehow]

80. "Granted, I read only this thread and not the original one" <--- I wish you'd typed that first,

and spared me the thirty seconds it took me to wade through the rest of your dubious rejoinder to the poster above.

I simply don't take people seriously who comment on things they haven't even read.

[HiPointDem]

94. to say "hitler was popular because he promised..." is rather different from saying "hitler was a

social reformer," or "the nazi party was a social reform party."

[obamanut2012]

7. This is a Meta OP -- you need to post it there

[SaB2012]

16. Okay. Sorry.

I'm new and I'm learning. Apparently "Don't bite the newbies" is not a rule here because a lot of people are doing just that with little to no justification.

[patrice]

8. I'm not completely sure what all happened (and I'm NOT going to go read it all), but people may have

had a problem with a jump from, TTE, "the Klan did this _____________, _______________, _______________" therefore the Klan's motivation was/is "social and political reforms". They may have had this problem, because such a leap in assumptions is either pretty darned politically naive - OR - intentionally covering some other agenda, like, for example, Nixon's courting Labor with illusions of power in order to de-ball them on economic and race issues, and inflate them on so-called "values issues" and, thus, create his very own herd of zombies known as "the New Majority" whose purpose was to support the murder of several tens of thousands of Americans and Viet Namese in the Viet Nam War.

Do you see any parallels in this with today's political configurations? If you can, perhaps your original intentions were just naive.

[SaB2012]

13. What happened

Someone brought up the issue of a Christian university textbook talking about the Klan's activities. The progressive website that cited this textbook didn't give the name of the textbook or even quote the entire context of what they were highlighting. I questioned this and pointed out that what was cited was essentially correct. I also pointed out that much the same thing is stated on Wikipedia and, if taken out of context, one could make Wikipedia seem like it is defending the Klan.

[patrice]

44. k. Carry on. I do find it interesting that the KKK got so huge so quickly and then very quickly ALSO

deflated. That was probably the response to their profoundly hideous CRIMES against African Americans, but it also does elicit questions about what other internal in-coherences were obfuscated by those EVIL events, because one wonders what kinds of deals would have been made if the different partisans, for and against, in those actions had somehow had enough time to come to terms on strategic action.

[HiPointDem]

62. same reason the tea party got so huge. it was funded in a climate of tax cuts, immigration contro-

versy & labor agitation + red scare.

[patrice]

67. Despite the fact that at least SOME Tea Partyers, at least at some point, had more authentic

affinities with the Left than with the Kochs.

This is what I am wondering about what appears to be Racism in this country and which can pretty well be damned certain to include if not high at least significant IGNORANCE.

[patrice]

69. Sorry about all of those "at least"s; trying to think about ranges of possibilities here and various

qualities of the relevant traits.

[HiPointDem]

74. we're not talking about the motivations of individual kkk members. we're talking about the kkk

as an *organization*, and that was what the poster was defending as well.

the kkk was not organized to promote social reform. it was organized to keep blacks in their place by any means possible, including murder & terrorism.

and later, to keep immigrants, catholics and jews in their place.

it had no purpose beyond that, regardless of what some delusional members may have thought.

[patrice]

105. Good point. Wholes are almost always more than the sum of their parts and there are those who, like

Nixon, intuitively understand just exactly how "more", in what manner, and they exploit that whole for specific goals (such as intimidation, oppression, and genocide, as in the case of the KKK, but it could be other goals in different organizations) specific goals that are actually encoded in the specific nature of the whole organization and less to do with individuals, or less to do with most individuals anyway (e.g. Rosa Parks, as an uncommon individual).

[ProgressiveEconomist]

45. 'Essentially correct'. NO, You said this statement 'ACTUALLY IS TRUE'

and then doubled down, causing consternation among some who'd heard of emancipation and Reconstruction cut short by KKK terrorism:

'The KKK ... tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality'

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=822000

[ProgressiveEconomist]

55. In other words, WHERE THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S FIRE.

[datasuspect]

11. Hell, the trains ran on time in Nazi Germany too

plus they created the Volkswagen.

The twist is this: their genocide of European Jewry, Romany, communists, trade unionists, intellectuals, and various assorted religious figures and intellectuals cancels out any good they might have done.

Same goes for the KKK. The vileness they perpetrated throughout our nation's history relegates them to the sewer.

Own up, man up. Don't be a squirming turd.

Period.

[SaB2012]

14. But stating that Germany's trains ran on time

is not "defending the Nazis" in and of itself.

Uh, oh. Now you people are going to call me a defender of the Nazis, too.

[slackmaster]

17. It was actually Mussolini who made the trains run on time

Nobody complained much about Hitler's trains, because so many of them ended up at death camps.

[SaB2012]

20. Careful

You might be accused of defending the Nazis with that comment. Just going by what I've been exposed to so far.

[slackmaster]

56. In all fairness, I was defending the Italian Fascists

[Dawgs]

21. You should be embarrassed for making that comparison. n/t

[datasuspect]

23. Why?

[HangOnKids]

29. Thank you I had the same question n/t

[patrice]

37. Thanks. I always worry about questions we are not allowed to raise. If there's some rational reason

we should consider to oppose the comparison, let's see it, PC taboos do not serve that purpose.

We need more speech, not less.

[datasuspect]

38. still trying to figure out what i said

to provoke such a knee jerk response.

[SaB2012]

42. HOLY SHIT!!!!

I just got clobbered by the freight train of irony that is your post.

[HiPointDem]

66. no questions were raised. the poster asserted that the kkk was a social reform outfit, as

stated in a bob jones university textbook.

maybe you should read the thread in question.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=819354

[patrice]

72. k. thanks. Do you mind giving me the post #? I MUST get out of here and into my email. tks! nt

[HiPointDem]

75. s/he makes the claim repeatedly in the thread. as do a few others, though not so persistently.

[patrice]

95. Okay, yes, SaB2012 conclusively defended the KKK. That's either naive argumentation or disingenuous.

I recommend readings on empirical knowledge, i.e. *HOW* one conclusively "knows" this or that, or not,
- or -
that s/he consider that s/he needs to demonstrate that s/he is not in fact disingenuous, by admitting the error in his/her assumptions: the most we KNOW is that the KKK, as an organizational whole, tried to APPEAR to be a means of moral reform, while actually motivating, obviously intentionally (as demonstrated by the lynchings), moral corruption through mass depersonalization and programming.

Personally, I'm not sure how anonymity can ever be taken as an intent for moral reform.

[Lucy Goosey]

39. For comparing the Klan to the Nazis? Really?

Is that the comparison you're talking about, or am I misreading your intent? Because comparing the Klan to Nazis seems pretty fair to me.

[SaB2012]

28. Question

"plus they created the Volkswagen. "

So does that mean then that progressives who drive VWs -- and there are many -- are apologists for the Nazis?

[datasuspect]

30. bless your heart

dude, ur doing it wrong.

cool post, bro.

[SaB2012]

35. Just going by your and others' example, dude

"Do unto others as they have done unto you" and all that.

[datasuspect]

36. there have been many others before you

and they were better.

bless your little heart sugar booger.

[patrice]

24. P.S. I do appreciate an effort to separate the authentic wheat from the chads amongst populist

movements, in regards to that which is in fact racist, compared to that which is guilt-by-association, but I think choosing the KKK as a vehicle to illustrate that point is choosing an effect of authentic racism rather than the root causes of how certain illusions were exploited to that effect in the first place.

[SaB2012]

26. Hanging chads? :)

Or did you mean "chaff?" Or were you making a pun?

[patrice]

31. It was a pun on our completely fucked up voting mechanism, i.e. the source of practially everything

that ails everyone.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

88. "A pun, a play on words… There’s only one word, how much play could there be?"

"Okay, uh… A riddle?"

[patrice]

96. k. an allusion.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

100. Well, uh… I meant it to be a parable.

"You meant it to be a message conveyed through an allegorical narrative?"

[patrice]

101. Yes, a narrative about in-determinance, chads:chaff, actual racists:guilt-by-ignorance

and/or by association, clarity:entropy . . .

[bluerum]

43. It would be more accurate to say they engaged in regressive social deconstruction.

To say they engaged in reform implies some positive and redeeming quality to thier actions. On this you will find no agreement.

[patrice]

47. Good point: All reform may desconstruct, but not all deconstruction is reform. nt

[HiPointDem]

46. gosh, & you've got a lot of low-post posters defending you too. yeah, those kkk social reformers,

so misunderstood. if only we could get the authentic history promulgated by bob jones university.

[patrice]

54. I live in a state in which the Eisenhower Republicans are horrified by our Teapublican governor,

SUBSIDY-Sam Brownback. There IS such a thing as guilt-by-association and it IS an affront to the dignity of the honest and, hence, *loyal* opposition. I wish ALL of them were Socialist Liberal Democrats like me, but there's nothing I can do to MAKE them that way. They must choose.

Personally, I think there is good reason to try to separate authentic racism, especially amongst lower-economic classes, from "racism" that is more the result of things such as economic-disadvantage and ignorance. Why have more enemies than absolutely necessary? My family and teaching high school in Oklahoma made me aware of this. Authentic racism CANNOT be changed, so we need very very much to be sure that we know who is and who isn't authentically racist (compared to who is mistakenly "racist" more as a result of impermanent situational elements). Real racists will always hide amongst any convenient others and infect them. THAT is not acceptable, but we can't do anything about it if we treat everyone the same, i.e. according to the lowest common denominator. The people need to be strong and they can't get there if we don't go to them and be with them where they actually are, rather than where we assume they are and then punish them for not being what WE say they should be. They NEED choices and then they MUST choose and, dysfunctional or not, live with the consequences of their choosing, because that's their only opportunity to learn and hence their best chance to change themselves. To elicit this we need awareness, not just another form of prejudice.

[HiPointDem]

57. while your points are well-taken concerning politics, they have less relevance to disingenuous

posters.

[patrice]

64. Maybe my standards of "proof" as to "disingenuousness" are higher than some - OR -

maybe I'm just more ignorant of the essentials as to the whole indictment against this poster - OR - maybe I'm just more concerned about consistent patterns of what appears to be divide and conquer by class, because that WILL rule *ALL* other divisions - OR - maybe it's more or less of each/all of these factors.

Thanks for the suggestion, anyway; I will take it into serious consideration.

[HiPointDem]

77. there's nothing class-based about it. & the kkk was started by the upper-class, not the lower.

[patrice]

99. And that's not class?! Drive through the South today and tell me what kinds of yards have

displays of Old Dixie.

"Nothing" is a mighty BIG word. Absolutes are usually false dichotomies, built out of semantics.

You need to go out there and change the economic class of all racists and then evaluate a representative sample for their racism, before you can even consider saying "Nothing", that is IF something besides opinion matters.

And if this is just a battle of opinions, then I'd like to observe that class having SOMETHING to do with racism is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more probable than Nothing to do with racism.

[HiPointDem]

104. i'm saying that this poster's defense of the kkk has nothing to do with class. if you want to

make a thoughtful op about class & the attractions of groups like the kkk, have at it.

this poster did not make such a post, & i'm not sure why you're apparently defending him.

[patrice]

107. True. We don't know OP's thoughts on class relative to this question. & There are different skill

levels on this board. Not everyone is as rhetorically advanced as you are. I am defending that fact. Objectivity requires that we find out what is naive and what is disingenuous. I think that is a useful point to the goals of your own, or anyone's, efforts, because the difference between naive and disingenuous is the difference between a potential ally for your goals, or more opposition to y/our goals.

If a person is naive, helping them see the mistakes in their assumptions helps everyone.

I have already decided that OP's previous support of the KKK in that other thread is definite/conclusive support of the KKK, and yes you are right there is nothing in that support which denotes anything about class, but the fact remains that, for all I know, his/her support of the KKK could be as much out of error as it could be out of actual racism and I would rather ask a person to clarify than accuse them without enough information, because if racism is wrong, because any one of us is valuable, then it is wrong because ALL of us are valuable and I'd like to at least give that value a chance to make its own autonomous choices, before I engage in any oppression based on such limited information.

[patrice]

58. In short, low posters are not necessarily KKK supporters or trolls. nt

[HiPointDem]

60. no one said low posters were necessarily kkk supporters or trolls.

[MadHound]

108. Check out my post below,

Number 106. Oh, and I hope that my post count is sufficiently high enough for you, considering that it is about fifteen times your current post count. Is that high enough for you?

[Hugabear]

48. I'm sure Hitler was a pretty nice guy as well, if you just got to know him

After all, I've seen the color video where he is laughing and dancing around.


(in case it's needed)

[The Magistrate]

49. Enjoyed Jelly Omletes, Sir, A Vegetarian: What is Not To Like...?

"It is odd to think that at times, Adolph Hitler's whole attention was focused on keeping a bit of jelly from slipping off his fork."

[Nye Bevan]

73. That former Klansman Robert Byrd, too. An Exalted Cyclops, no less.

Many here have said nice things about him too. Sir.

[The Magistrate]

81. He Joined Young, Sir, He Quit, He Apologized

A closed matter.

[Nye Bevan]

92. I don't like it when people defend someone who almost certainly participated

in lynchings of young black men. If Hitler had renounced the Nazi party would you consider the matter closed?

And it's not like Byrd was a junior member of the KKK. Exalted Cyclops was a fairly senior rank. Sir.

[The Magistrate]

120. For That Statement, Sir, there is Absolutely No Evidence At All

The rank, by the way, is not too high; it is, roughly speaking, equivalent to the lowest commissioned grade, being the leader of a Klavern, the smallest organizational division. Sort of like being a troop leader in the Boy Scouts....

[HiPointDem]

83. he quit the klan & renounced it. the poster is defending the klan as an organization.

so i'm not sure why byrd, or any individual member, is relevant.

[retread]

50. Why are you interrupting the vagina threads with this crap?

[Inkfreak]

98. Haha!

[pinboy3niner]

103. Welcome to DU, Inkfreak

[Dash87]

51. We tend to under-analyze hate groups as just being "evil"

Anyone who thinks the KKK was just an evil organization that sat back and plotted violence for no reason at all without any public support does not understand how the KKK worked. The same is true with the Nazis. Many fall into the trap of just referring to the Nazis as "evil" and the German people at the time as "stupid" without looking back at why the Nazis actually came to power, what their goals were, and what can be done to prevent similar organizations in the future.

Hate groups are like a monster with many heads, and we historically condense them to ignore all but one head. I think part of the reason is that we want to reject the idea that people could be sucked into supporting genocide and murder, and have a clear cut answer why it happens. Unfortunately, history is far from clear-cut. We need to understand more about the KKK and the Nazis so that history won't repeat itself.

[patrice]

111. 1+++++++

[Starry Messenger]

52. Well, gosh.

School out again already?

[Jamastiene]

53. You are a noob who got locked out of their own thread for using a homophobic slur

in addition to doubling down to defend the KKK.

[HangOnKids]

59. And has a rec from a poster who had a weird "gay" thread of their own a few days ago

That is very curious, indeed.

[NNN0LHI]

61. Is there a link to the thread in question?

[The Magistrate]

63. Check No. 45 Above, Sir

It is pretty obvious, in my view.

[NNN0LHI]

82. Thank you, Sir

Clear as an azure sky.

Don

[HiPointDem]

65. here. i just kicked it to pg 1 as well, for everyone's edification. he's not the only one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=819354

[NNN0LHI]

79. Just read it and some of the stuff posted there is very troubling

Thank you.

Don

[Dr. Strange]

71. They also want adopt a highway in Georgia.

Who says you can't have a clean environment? Don't forget to clean up those ashes when the cross is done!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

91. "Georgia: Land of Lakes, Mountains, Scenic Beauty, Friendly People...."

"....and, um, environmentally conscious Klanspeople?"

[LanternWaste]

85. I believe that should read, "my interpretation of known historical facts..."

"known historical facts..."

I believe that should read, "my interpretation of known historical facts..." And how we interpret those things in front of us may often say as much about us as our own mouths.

"Someone be completely predictable and dismiss my complaints because I'm a "noob."..."
Or "quick... go and complain on the internet because that will make everything better!" Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

86. To be fair, Hitler did make a hell of an automobile.

"Are you insane? This is Hitler's car!"

[Dr. Strange]

90. The Barbie Museum!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

93. This thread has breastfeeding pitbulls eating cornflake chicken at Olive Garden written all over it.

My inner Chuggo is smiling.

Ah.
C'mon.
Fuckin'.
Guy.

[MadHound]

106. You made the mistake of going against the popular political narrative

Choosing instead to stick with the truth. Sometimes that is not a way to win friends and influence people. Most people don't know the ins and outs of history, the treasure trove of minute details that makes history so challenging, enlightening and entertaining. Instead, people latch onto a simplistic historical narrative and defend it vigorously because they become emotionally tied to it over time.

But you are right, the Klan, despite being the vicious, terrorist organization that we all loathe and reject, did engage in social and political reforms. They backed the 18th amendment, which brought us Prohibition(a rather progressive ideal at the time). They also would fight on the side of unions during the '20's, including a miner's strike that was brought about by the Wobblies(IWW). Members of the Women's KKK also did serious work for the suffrage movement as well.

The KKK exemplifies the contradictions in right wing populism in this country. On the one hand, RW populism strikes some very progressive, even liberal, stances on social issues, yet all the while being vicious bigots and racists. This strand of political thought is also still evident today in the form of libertarianism, just check out Ron and Rand Paul.

So don't back down from your position, historically you are correct. For those of you who want a source for my comments, go read the book "Right Wing Populism in America: Too Close for Comfort" by Chip Berlet and Matthew N. Lyons. You'll find out this this is the historical reality. By acknowledging that historical reality, you don't elevate the Klan, just the truth and the pursuit of understanding a complicated subject.

[patrice]

110. I believe Jefferson Cowie more-or-less agrees with your point:

http://books.google.com/books/about/Stayin_Alive.html?id=xz-EINoBGNcC

Thanks for sharing the reference; I'd love to compare it to what I'm currently reading.

[GeorgeGist]

112. +1000

Critical thinking is hard work. Thanks for yours.

[Nye Bevan]

116. So. You're a white supremacist, too.

Just kidding. Best post in the thread. Thanks.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

109. If you love them so much,

then why don't you marry them?

Noob.

[GeorgeGist]

113. Unfortunately knee jerks are quite vocal on DU.

If you intend to stay, I highly recommend the 'ignore' function.

[Vanje]

114. Hey SaB2012 (Jay McHue) , Is this your blog?

http://www.shockandblog.com/

[Vanje]

115. Is this your twitter ?

https://twitter.com/#!/jinx_mchue

It doesn't seem like you're, um, all that progressive.

[pinboy3niner]

117. He's dead, Jim

"Right wing troll. Not a very good one."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=285765&sub=trans

[DevonRex]

118. They did it to get gullible fools to join them

and get in so deep that by the time they knew what it was really all about they couldn't get out alive. THAT is the ONLY fact worth knowing about any so-called good deed they ever did.

I know this for a fact from stories passed down from generation to generation, about a country school teacher who was smart enough to know what was happening in his county. And was able to get the KKK the HELL out of it.

So don't you or anybody else be fooled now by revisionist history. Anything good had an evil ulterior motive.

[RagAss]

119. And Mussolini was a reformer...

Get lost !

[cliffordu]

122. Too bad you're DOA already.

I wanted to have some fun.

[scarletwoman]

123. I'm going to further spoil the fun by locking this thread.

It never did meet the SOP of GD, and the OP is banished to the Outer Darkness, so I see no good reason to not lock it.

[scarletwoman]

124. Yes, the poster of this OP is now among the departed, however, this OP never met the SOP of GD

in the first place, and should have been posted in Meta. So I'm gonna lock it.

You will all have these moments to remember...

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