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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOur next first lady made porn, who entered the U.S. illegally, and lied about her college.
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hello media???
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)you need to find a better source for porn.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)If you fraudulently apply for a visa with the full knowledge that you were defrauding the government to get into the country to work in a manner that violates the restriction on the visa, you have entered the country illegally.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)we have is impossible. But, as the Republicans are wont to say, I have no way of knowing what you say isn't true.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Examine the history of her fellow peers. If other models from Eastern Europe in her same situation have violated immigration laws that worked for the same person she did
, it is easy to assume she did the same thing.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)And besides that, I'm not a big fan of attacking first ladies or other presidential family members.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)until she sees fit to move into the White House.
bdamomma
(63,822 posts)and yes, aren't there other more important things to post and to do instead of posting about this woman.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)actual history of not holding a steady job until he was 40 isn't an attack.
When is bringing up someone's actual history an attack?
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Have you seen this creepy pic of Barron and Melania
https://twitter.com/MykeCole/status/805934481211322369/photo/1
You can not un-see this.
progressoid
(49,964 posts)I knew better but I clicked on the link anyway.
Ewww Ewww Ewww
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)that place looks like a mausoleum and probably is as cold as one. Yuck.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)You can't unsee that. All the eye bleach in the world won't do it. These are disturbing people.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What on earth is with this family anyway?
kcr
(15,315 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)And given Donald Trump's general treatment of women, I doubt she's going to be doing anything especially noteworthy, especially since she has proposed stopping online bullying, but can't even get her idiot husband to stop.
Attacking her is pretty pointless.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Botany
(70,483 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)But if folks want 'identity politics' to go away then she should be treated exactly as the first black First Lady was. There's no special status for someone who -
Was in soft porn and btw - modeling is also know for rampant 'escorting'
and who
Broke the law
and who
Lied about her level of education.
These things are the truth. Let's air them out . She's the third lady and baby mama and that's the truth too!
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Cha
(297,044 posts)Attacking is what they do to Michelle Obama with their racial ugliness and slurs.
There was just a woman had to resign from her hospital job for calling Michelle an ugly racist name on FB.. now that's an attack.
And, viciously stupid.. who does that?! Puts their job in jeopardy for a moment's gratification of racial insults on the beautiful FL?
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)That's who! Seriously - Melanoma isn't a Democratic figure. What's wrong with attacking her? She doesn't like online bullying? She's the person who said adults can take it. She's gonna have to put the big girl pants on, woman up, and deal with it.
AirmensMom
(14,642 posts)for Miss America Vanessa Williams because, ostensibly Miss America is a role model for little girls.
First Lady is also a role model for little girls. Why the double standard?
TXCritter
(344 posts)Hmmmmm... what could it be?
AirmensMom
(14,642 posts)Still, if you call something disqualifying for one woman who might be a role model, regardless of the color of her skin, the same thing should be disqualifying for another woman who might be a role model.
Yes, it smacks of racism to me too, along with all the criticisms of Michelle's bare (and gorgeous!) arms.
Also, I think if Melania is going to cost the taxpayers millions of dollars a year because she's too good to move into our White House, she is fair game for criticism.
Lucky Luciano
(11,252 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)while the other does not.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)I think we better get used to Trump family members as targets so long as they are political actors. Jury's still out on the future FL.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)We should not be attacking Melania or Barron. That said, since Eric, Don Jr. And Ivanka have inserted themselves into the campaign and now transition, they are fully fair game to criticize until such time that they stop working for their father.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)Adult family members who are active participants in campaigning or governing are fair game. So yes Eric, Don Jr. and Ivanka are absolutely fair game.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)She may not have wanted to but she DID actually campaign for Dump. She plagiarized a speech, but so what?
Sorry, but after what they said about Michelle (which were nasty, racist lies) I have no problem with the TRUTH about Melania.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)We are better than the vile Republicans. If we attack Melania, we are no better than those that call Michele names. Actually, we would be even worse because we would be doing it out of spite.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)You can't be nice to bullies; they'll walk all over you and laugh at you while they're doing it. Pointing out FACTS about Melania is not "attacking" her. It's miles away from what those bastards called Michelle.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)So, you are fine with the attacks on Hillary and Michele? Because if you engage in such, you are no better than the right wing assholes that attacked Michele and Hillary.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Of course I'm not "fine" with attacks...REAL attacks, vicious attacks on Hillary and Michelle. The difference here is the attacks on them were LIES propagated by Republicans. What was in the OP were facts, not an attack. Personally I don't give a shit about Melania and what she does, except that First Ladies are expected to act with some sort of decorum because, elected or not, she does represent the country to foreign leaders. Hell, even Nancy Reagan knew that! But I was talking about the OP, which I thought was just fine.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Melania inserted herself in the campaign when she gave a plagiarised speech.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Because, she had to give a speech given who her husband was. We do not like when people call Michelle an 'ugly monkey' etc. so, like Michelle said, when they go low we go high. And, it seems to me that Melania does not want to be the first lady, and my belief of what happened with the plagiarized speech was that Trump intentionally gave her an obviously plagiarized speech in order to distract from -- quite successfully -- the fact that no main stream Republicans attended the R NC convention.
We hated when they attacked Michelle and Hillary, let's not sink to their vile level.
beaglelover
(3,463 posts)Time to start paying dirty. It sure seemed to work out well for the CONS, didn't it???
Rex
(65,616 posts)If this was a Dem, it would be 13 investigations and at least a few finished careers. The M$M does not do character assassination on the GOP...we really need our own M$M, the Reps already own one so that leaves us with a propaganda gap.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)However, after the insults lobbed at Michelle Obama, and her daughters..
I'm sorry, but totally fair game here.
When the same shitheads that have called such a great first lady an "ape", and raised all kinds of hell about her "showing her arms", and attacked the nationality of President Obama... their first lady is supposed to be off limits now?
Total respect for your reasoning Skinner, but no.. I, for one, am not taking the high road this time.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Didn't take the "high road" when she went on the View all birther like her racist husband and told Joy Beher that HER birth certificate was REAL and that Pres. Obama's WASN'T. She played birther because of her white European skin vs the President's brown skin. PLEASE, who the hell is she to say her birth certificate is better than the President's? I know who she thinks she is: white and entitled that's who. PLUS, she was raised as a Communist yet MICHELLE was called a fist-bumping Commie and WORSE. Lord have mercy.
Michelle Obama's been CRUCIFIED racially, and crucified because of her initiatives to improve children's health/healthy eating. She's been called "uppity" (Racist's term for saying how dare that N-word be educated/smart/articulate--the Obama's need to stay in their place as 2nd class citizens!) because she had the nerve to be educated and smart. She was most recently called an ape in heels by a racist cow who said Melania was a GREAT role model (Must be the white skin because that woman is NO role model), STAYS being called the n-word, AND if that wasn't bad enough you had some asses going after her because she had nerve to go sleeveless?
Meanwhile, the damn WORLD has seen as much of Melania as her 3-time married, philandering, sexually assaulting husband's seen, she worked in this country illegally and her husband wants to deport everyone ELSE who HE feels was here illegally, she plagiarized Michelle's speech, and then had the nerve to say people should stop bullying on the Internet when her damn rapist husband IS the biggest nasty, racist, misogynistic, p***y-grabbing, sexually assaulting bully out there on the internet. Word to Melania: Start with your own HUSBAND and stop HIM from bullying on the internet, umkay? And we have to take the high road and kiss Melania's ass which was hanging OUT? That tRump family (Minus the 10 year old son) is nothing but FILTH.
I will CONTINUE to call Melania AND that whole family OUT until the world looks level.
3catwoman3
(23,968 posts)...kiss when they are hanging out of a thong, I guess.
I agree with EVERYTHING you said!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)3catwoman3
(23,968 posts)..to go low if it helps me blow off steam so I can go high in public when and where I need to.
Count me among those not feeling particularly charitable toward the Third Woman.
sarisataka
(18,560 posts)I did not approve of what has been said about Michelle Obama but just because they did it does not make it right.
Wrong is wrong no matter who did it first and I refuse to compromise my ethics.
Bucky
(53,986 posts)kcr
(15,315 posts)And FLOTUS is a public figure. Minor children are off limits, though.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I don't think some nude photos make one a porn star. Also, not sure if there was any factual basis behind the prostitution claims.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)if Donald was a Democrat, Melania would be a whore / slut
-fucking-cisely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am referring to her as 3W, for 3rd Wife or 3rd Woman. The other "W" word abovee would also work.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)OMFG
republicans are the biggest bunch of hypocrites EVER
TIME FOR DEMOCRATS TO START SCREAMING THIS HYPOCRISY FROM THE ROOFTOPS
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)RedWedge
(618 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)I think she's just been swept along with the POS she's married to. I'll be very surprised if she takes on much of the duties of FLOTUS. Ivanka will fill that niche.
citizen blues
(570 posts)Given the disgustingly inappropriate things Donald has said about Ivanka (not to mention the pat down he gave her on the stage of the rethug convention), and that at one point the young Ivanka said if her weren't her father, she would mace him.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)I've read Michelle didn't want to be First Lady.
Did it stop them of accusing her of having videos with Farrakhan screaming about "whitey?" Hating America? Being a slut for showing her bare arms in a photo? Calling her an ape in heels?
[font size = 3]Melania agreed to have these photos published with the same interview where she said this about being first lady: "I will put all my effort into it, and I will support my man,"
And his personal hostess, 26-year-old Slovenian supermodel Melania Knauss, might just end up as the next First Lady. Flight of fancy? Not if The Donald has his way. Heavyweight political commentators may scoff, but the delectable Miss Knauss is relishing the prospect of a future pressing the flesh on state occasions. "I will put all my effort into it, and I will support my man," she said recently.
Why - here she is wearing handcuffs! VERY FIRST-LADY LIKE!
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/donald-trump-melania-trump-knauss-first-lady-erections
Their cover is kind to assure us that Melania "Earns her airmiles!"
And then there's this, and so much more both before and since.
To hell with Melania. She's just as much of a deplorable, empty hypocrite as he is.
Oh, and here's what she's been up to with young Barron.
Cause this behavior is really appropriate too. I wonder if she still rubs him with fish eggs every night.
Ilsa
(61,691 posts)Barron is a surrogate husband, I guess, a focus for her love.
I wonder if they bathe together.
Poor kid. He'll never be normal.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)The only ones I can grant any benefit of the doubt are Barron and Tiffany. All the others are rotting bags of waste, imo.
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deaniac21
(6,747 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,626 posts)On another board, the first comment I recall about the appointment was from a RWer who said, literally:
Finally a candidate I would do.
Yep, they don't care. Class and decorum is just another form of political correctness.
Initech
(100,056 posts)Thankfully I hadn't eaten anything after getting off the plane, otherwise I would have done this:
3catwoman3
(23,968 posts)...a tender, thoughtful, observant, considerate husband. That makes him hot in my book.
Palin - hot mess.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Republicans do not do ethics, morality, honesty or integrity. Everyone should understand that by now.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)get the red out
(13,461 posts)She isn't going to be President, he husband could destroy our country, and seems hell bent on doing that. That's my worry.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)what about morals? She was and always will be associated with the porn industry. Her husband will destroy this nation, guaranteed. These people are rich lowlifes. Voted in by lowlifes.
get the red out
(13,461 posts)But his are much worse, and need to take center stage.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Ouch.
Fact.
Vinca
(50,253 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)the height of class and intelligence to the dregs of society, voted in by people who are mostly dregs of society. Steve Bannon and Alec Jones among the top dregs along with our porn star first lady to the fuhrer-in-waiting.
mopinko
(70,070 posts)hello media-
this is how it works. it's called human trafficking.
the one day where the scandal du jour was melania and a bit of trump modeling.
immigration irregularities, company holding passports, girls forced to pay rent on crappy communal digs.
nudie shoots are the public face, these are the women who get the crappiest calls.
when they busted a bunch of strip clubs here in chicago, the women were mostly from eastern europe.
exactly the same stories. promised modeling jobs, forced into debt to the company store, squeezed into sex work.
dont think for a moment that melania's nudie shots are anything but the tip of the ice berg. maybe not for her, but for other women who came through the same door.
and dont forget that the girls who were victims of cheeto's buddy epstein were promised modeling contracts.
who knows, maybe she got paid for the first few dates and twitler liked her work.
it is not insignificant that she lied about college. iirc, she got a green card as someone w special abilities. pretty faces are a dime a dozen as they say, so she at least needed a college degree to go w it.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... Melania wasn't running for any office, nor was she elected to one.
The only requisite for being First Lady is being married to a president. Therefore, her qualifications are of no relevance.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)If anything it makes me like her more.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)Porn actress (she's no star)
illegal immigrant who worked illegally
liar
plagiarist
gold digger
The only First Lady the public has seen naked.
Not the pornz!!!!
What ever will we do!?
Listen, I loathe Trump, but I refuse to attack her or his kids.
Plus, it's her body. I'd be a liar if I said my spouse and I don't make our own
csziggy
(34,135 posts)Melania and the minor Trump son, Barron, don't need to be harassed. Think of what the two of them must have to put up with being related to the short fingered vulgarian.
Ivanka, Eric and Donald Junior earn every bit of derision they get.
If Melania does use her position in the White House to try to fight internet bullying, the more power to her - BUT if she does not denounce what her husband has done and continues every single day with his overt bullying to do she will deserve to be condemned for the hypocrite she will be.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)And the point is? Progressives 2016: anti Russian and prudish...who wouldve thunk it!
Rex
(65,616 posts)They don't seem to care one bit about what GOPers do or don't do.
Botany
(70,483 posts)..... oh right, nothing.
BTW when will Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffetz hold hearings into Trump having a
computer server that was linked to a Ukraine Bank/Russia/Putin in his office? Because
they were pretty damn interested in HRC's email server.
Gowdy is probably eye balling a seat in Trump's cabinet.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)what i can say, is that race plays a giant part in what we find acceptable about illegal immigration.
karadax
(284 posts)They posted all of the racy photos in print. I was annoyed when they posted the pictures then because I felt she shouldn't be a target. I still feel that way.
Initech
(100,056 posts)It started with Bill Clinton, they then set their sights on Howard Dean who did nothing more than just scream, then made Obama a Kenyan born Muslim (he isn't), then destroyed Obamacare and turned their hatred toward Hillary Clinton with one bullshit scandal after another and got this turd elected. Where's James Cameron when you need him?
BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)I know many people will jump on you and say you are attaching a family member.
In other circumstances, that may be true. But in this case, I see that you are pointing out HYPOCRISY on the part of the press, as you know fully well what the reaction would have been had Michelle Obama made ANY nude photos, videos, or whatever. The nudity isn't the point, and Mrs. Trump isn't really the point either. Thank you for bringing this up, as it never hurts to see (again x infinity) to remind us what kind of hypocritical assholes we're dealing with.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's not what she has done, it's the incredible hypocrisy of the republicans and the media that is so revolting. Michelle would have been crucified for any one of these things.
malaise
(268,854 posts)so it's AOK
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Not one bit more or less. I'm actually glad she won't be in the White House. I wish he'd just stay in his tower too.
sarisataka
(18,560 posts)who choose to be in porn? Are they broken, immoral, soiled? Are they forever to be considered lesser than other women?
Should former prostitutes/escorts also be shunned? Perhaps wear an appropriate scarlet letter to warm good people of their sordid past?
No one try and justify it by telling me what Republicans do or say. We are not Republicans. If we act the same way they act, then there is no difference.
mnhtnbb
(31,381 posts)Got my 2nd hide--and I've been on DU for over 10 years--with a post I put up about her not long after the election and my refusal
to call her "First Lady". Ladies do not pose naked--suggestively--for money. Women can do whatever they want--have whatever
career they want--but that doesn't mean I have to respect her choice. You can't tell me she married Cheeto Fucktrumpet for his
savoir faire, his class, his ability to make her laugh. She married him for his money. The polite term for that is gold digger. Sure,
her choice, but again, I don't have to respect that choice.
The nude photos of her modeling that were published by the NY Post about a year ago are not difficult to find on-line.
Can you imagine the uproar if Michelle had been photographed wearing only her high heels-- posing suggestively--for money?
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)She modeled nude which I have no issue with. Even if she made porn, I wouldn't have an issue with it. She is an adult and it's perfectly legal.
The lying about the college was ridiculous. Many immigrants enter the US illegally but she is a citizen now.
JHan
(10,173 posts)She's also white , and married to a republican president elect so she gets a pass on everything else.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)aka as prostitute, not just soft porn
Ilsa
(61,691 posts)Job entails. There isn't any way that I know of to prove she was hooking as an escort. It's not likely the customer will come forward.
LisaM
(27,800 posts)I don't really care what she did to support herself. I'm not going to go after her kid, he looks terrified all the time anyway. As far as padding her resume, who knows if she came up with that on her own or not? I'm inclined to look past it (except to the extent that Hillary and Michelle, two highly-educated women, didn't get enough credit on that front).
However - the immigration issue and skirting the rules is a bigger deal to me, not least because of that fact that this seems to be rampant in the modeling industry and should be looked into.
I also really detest her ability to come up with a platform against bullying while she's married to one of the biggest bullies of all time, who's now inciting people to go out and be violent on his behalf.
So I don't feel the need to lay off her at any level - but my own issues with her are the illegal visa and supporting a bully.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)3 different fathers, one of whom was born out of wedlock.
What do you think the Republicans would have said about that?
LisaM
(27,800 posts)She wouldn't have made it through the Democratic primaries if she'd been married twice and had a baby in between out of wedlock.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)How can we expect all that much from her? She is just the spouse. I like her better than her husband.
ailsagirl
(22,893 posts)Just sayin'
jmg257
(11,996 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Look who she chose to marry. That alone makes her deplorable. The rest is just gravy
Bucky
(53,986 posts)Please keep you eye on the ball.
When we get distracted by the Trump family's freakish hijinks, we quit paying attention to the GOP Congress's plans to raid Medicare and Social Security.
IADEMO2004
(5,554 posts)Locut0s
(6,154 posts)I have absolutely nothing against women who would choose to pose nude, or even be porn stars if it's what they want. We can of course make the argument that as a society we are unhealthily objectifying women but that's not the argument being made. The argument being made is that the position of first lady is seen as a model of high class and grace. But that Melina is to be viewed as base, crude and crass for her choices. Personally I find this almost equally paternalisticly sexist.
At any rate it also seems like nit picking when the real issue is that her husband is the one who is going to be president. And he is a thin skinned unstable sociopath.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)she claims that she wants to spend all of her time nursing ten-year-old Baron. And of course the Trumpers declared her to be the most devoted mother on the face of the earth. I am sorry but every FLOTUS in the history of our country, including First Ladies with younger children than Baron (Jackie for just one example -- there are others of course), has taken on important causes and used her very visible position to bring about good in the world. Melania doesn't even want to live in the White House (and neither does Trump apparently).
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)barbtries
(28,787 posts)somehow i didn't think so. maybe she did, somewhere.
but whatever, she's small potatoes. her husband, the president elect, is a confirmed sex offender and pervert. and all the rest (xenophobe, racist, misogynistic sexist, failed businessman, con artist, deadbeat, narcissistic, infantile, sicko, etc) oh well. none of it matters apparently.
Botany
(70,483 posts).... design and architecture but that was scrubbed last summer when the truth came out
that she a few classes and then went to Italy to be a model.
Personally I don't care about her (as a matter of fact I wish both her and her son well) but
the bald faced lies by Trump and his and the right's hypocrisy and all the crap that Michelle
has had to put up with is what gets me.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)it is so frustrating.
brooklynite
(94,483 posts)She did NOT "enter the US illegally"; she worked illegally when she got here.
Botany
(70,483 posts)"If you fraudulently apply for a visa with the full knowledge that you were defrauding the government
to get into the country to work in a manner that violates the restriction on the visa, you have entered
the country illegally."
Else You Are Mad