Merkel supports partial ban on burkas and niqabs in Germany

[pbmus]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel threw support behind a partial ban on burkas and niqabs in Germany on Tuesday, drawing applause from the audience.

“The full-face veil is not acceptable in our country,” she told crowds at a conference of her Christian Democratic Union party in Essen, Germany. “It should be banned, wherever it is legally possible. Our law takes precedence over codes of honor, tribal or family rules, and over sharia law – that has to be spelled out clearly. This also means that it is important to show face when people communicate.”

On Tuesday, Merkel won reelection as chairwoman of the CDU party, a position she has held since 2000. She is gearing up to run for a fourth term as chancellor in 2017

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/angela-merkel-burka-niqab-ban_us_5846dcf0e4b08487410ffc9e

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So can I walk into a bank with full face and body covered, no.

[malaise]

1. Campaign mode has begun

[Coventina]

2. Good, the erasing of women as persons needs to be stopped.

[Calculating]

3. Good

Such things are constructs of a patriarchal religion which seeks to oppress women and force them to hide their 'inherently sinful' beauty.

[eissa]

4. Good eom

[LittleBlue]

5. She fucked up and she knows it

Now she's trying to repair the damage so that her country isn't taken over by the far-right.

Many said it last year: immigration would turn Europe from left/center to right/far-right. Already Hollande and the French left are toast, and are being replaced by either Fillon or Le Pen (both right and pro-Russian). Renzi resigned in Italy and will probably be replaced by a populist, anti-Eurozone party led by Grillo (a comedian). A far-right, anti-immigrant party leads in polls in the Netherlands, and an EU referendum is probably inevitable at this point. Britain already has a right-wing party in the Tories.

The European left/centrists staked their reputations on the immigration issue and now they're going down with the ship. Populists from all over the spectrum are taking over as the moderate left struggles to find a message. It will be seen if merely banning head coverings will pacify populaces who are fed up with immigration from third world countries.

[pbmus]

9. So your answer is to build more walls ??

[LittleBlue]

18. That's a straw man. The walls will go up regardless

Europe =/= United States. Their countries are not nations of immigrants. They have populations with origins that go back to the Roman Empire, they will absolutely not tolerate large scale immigration.

[pbmus]

19. They are exactly nations of immigrants..they have not only tolerated

But are now the most welcome countries in the world for an immigrant ..

I suspect you have been reading too much alt right bullshit...

Ethnic groups in Europe

The ethnic groups in Europe are the focus of European ethnology, the field of anthropology related to the various ethnic groups that reside in the nations of Europe. According to German monograph Minderheitenrechte in Europa co-edited by Pan and Pfeil (2002) there are 87 distinct peoples of Europe, of which 33 form the majority population in at least one sovereign state, while the remaining 54 constitute ethnic minorities. The total number of national minority populations in Europe is estimated at 105 million people, or 14% of 770 million Europeans.[1]

There is no precise or universally accepted definition of the terms "ethnic group" or "nationality". In the context of European ethnography in particular, the terms ethnic group, people (without nation state), nationality, national minority, ethnic minority, linguistic community, linguistic group, linguistic minority and genetic haplogroup are used as mostly synonymous, although preference may vary in usage with respect to the situation specific to the individual countries of Europe.[2]

http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/08/02/number-of-refugees-to-europe-surges-to-record-1-3-million-in-2015/

[LittleBlue]

21. That's just jargon and terminology

Europeans don't see themselves as some fluid social classification defined by academics trapped in academia. No amount of articles written by Pew will change their minds.

Merkel can bow to the popular will or be removed and replaced by AfD, which will be quite extreme. Europe's centre-left/right needs to decide whether it wants to exist going forward, or turn their countries over to the far right. Austria came within 3% of electing a president from a party formed by former Nazis.

In Europe, the immigration flood will end one way or another. The only question is who will end it first, and whether the solution will be humane by mainstream parties or inhumane by AfD (Frauke Petry, their leader, has joked about shooting refugees on sight).

[pbmus]

22. Facts are difficult for some...apparently for you.

You seem to like the exclusionary populist theme...I am not sure that DU is really the place for you...maybe brietbarts anti immigrant racist website ... That shooting refugees on sight comment fits right in at brietbarts ..

[jberryhill]

6. They interfere with facial recognition and tracking systems

Given the use of cameras by law enforcement, which has been enhanced by automated facial recognition systems, people should not be allowed to cover their face in public.

[loyalsister]

7. Coersion is coersion

Whether it is ripping a woman's close off, foring them to wear particular garmets, or forcing them not to wear clothes they choose.

[jonno99]

10. I'm curious - how far can one take that? Should any person - male or female be

allowed to wear a veil when having their ID photo taken?

[pbmus]

11. So you think that it is ok for you to walk into a bank

Fully covered from head to feet.?

[loyalsister]

15. Do you really think that's what I was referring to?

I'm talking about creating a law forcing women not to wear the clothing they choose everywhere they go. We are talking about a targeted policy rather than one that applies to everyone. No hats or sunglasses applied to everyone that allows people to put them back on after they leave the bank is good enough.
It is the same Islamophibia USAers have grown to love.

[pbmus]

16. I am not sure that most women who wear a burka or niqabs

Are really wearing them voluntarily ...:banghead

https://news.vice.com/article/syria-manbij-women-burn-burka-islamic-state

[loyalsister]

17. How exactly does that justify coersion to not wear them?

It is a violation of her autonomy a woman by FORCING her to wear something different? As I said coersion is coersion. One form does not cancel out the other- it just replaces it.

[pbmus]

20. Frankly, I don't give a shit what you wear..

It only concerns me when I cannot see someones face while they are robbing or murdering someone.!

[Grey Lemercier]

8. good, lets hope this becomes universal in the West

[samir.g]

12. she's catering to Islamophobes because they are polling well

[rug]

13. A lame rationale to cover a political capitulation.

"This also means that it is important to show face when people communicate.”

No more texts. Skype only. Or else.

[msongs]

14. are all those men who have to wear them complaining too? nt