Bigger Than Watergate

[bigtree]

David Corn ?@DavidCornDC 12h12 hours ago
Russia influencing US election to put Trump in power is bigger than Watergate. https://t.co/5WmQhbJQ3L

David Corn ?@DavidCornDC 12h12 hours ago
Congrats, Republicans. You helped a Russian covert op to elect Trump. The US public deserves info on this now.

Joy Reid ?@JoyAnnReid 1h1 hour ago
Already, two giant asterisks stand beside @realDonaldTrump's election: Russian interference and a 2.8 million popular vote deficit.

Joy Reid ?@JoyAnnReid
At this point, the legitimacy of the incoming administration is up for public debate. That's a tremendously destabilizing thing.


John Dean ?@JohnWDean 12h12 hours ago
Wow. This is deeply troubling. We have Russia's man heading to the White House. Trump is not only a fool, he may be Putin's tool.

John Dean @JohnWDean
The intel report on Russia's role in the 2016 election must be available for all electors before the electoral college meets Dec. 19.

[Cha]

1. K&R!!!

Mahalo, bigtree!

[cilla4progress]

2. Let's do all we can to give this thing

LEGS!

[pangaia]

39. HOW?

here is my plan...


Get out and contact your reps and tell them to fight against this coup d'etat and every single nominee il duce puts up for his cabinet.

Call the White House
Call Attorneys General
Write letters to editors.
Contact broadcast media.
Join groups fighting the coup.
Contribute $$ if you can.
Post on social media.
Join protests, marches, strikes, boycotts.
any other type of civil disobedience. .
PROTEST any way possible...

Anything else you might think of...

THE SOUTH KOREANS JUST DID IT!!!!!!!!!!

BRAVO 대한민국 !!!

[cilla4progress]

40. Perfect!!

[pangaia]

42. Are you doing something? :))

[cilla4progress]

47. For reals

I guess if I have to impress you:

Signing petitions
Posting on facebook - where my Republican family and friends can see it
Letters, calls, emails to President, DOJ, legislators.
Sent FOIA request to Gov. Pence for his emails

Funding recount
Joined ACLU

Also, donations to Standing Rock .. separate issue

That enough?

[pangaia]

48. LOL.. I'm inpressed !

Let's see, you have me beat by a little.

No ACLU
No FOIA requests..against Pence

I gave $5 to Standing rock.. not much but...

Great,, spread the word...

[cilla4progress]

50. Done!

I've gotten up some mornings at 3 am for this stuff..

[pangaia]

51. Now I feel ..guilty..

I do my part while sometimes listening to Mozart to stay sane...

[cilla4progress]

53. Oh crap

NO ONE should feel guilty! We all give and do what we CAN!

I am tuning out. I am actually listening to MSNBC this am because it's bad news for the right. I can't stand to watch Trump drool over the spoils of his theft.

[zippythepinhead]

58. hell yes

hell yes again.

[yallerdawg]

3. And where was the M$M?

Colluding!

Every freakin' leak!

[Uponthegears]

4. Glad top hear at least something

BUT

This isn't about "asterisks" or "letting the electors know before they meet" (so they can put another treasonous Republican in office).

This is about martial law.

[malthaussen]

5. It's only "bigger than Watergate" if something is done about it.

What action do you think is appropriate? What action do you think is likely?

-- Mal

[bigtree]

9. first the political

...then the filing of complaints to the FBI, CIA, congressional committees.

However, Mal, I think this still needs more discussion and, hopefully, out of that illumination, more exposure.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. Do you know what really grinds my gears?

.







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[radical noodle]

14. She should have seen Trump & Putin

from her house.

[lastlib]

20. had her head too far up her anal canal to notice them in bed together.....

[NewJeffCT]

60. What was strange, though

was last week, Palin called out Trump for crony capitalism when he named somebody to his cabinet (forget which deplorable pick it was...)

The only thing I can think of was that Palin probably got word that she was not being named to Trump's cabinet, so was pissed.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

7. Russia has installed a puppet regime. Putin took advantage of our vulnerabilities:

unsecured voting machines, fake news, tremendous amount of paid trolls, internet hacking, corrupted/greedy politicians, beholden politicians, FBI help. I'm sure Putin had a war room with all points of attack laid out.

Now people are hoping that Russia's USA puppet regime with investigate this under Trump?........ And they're supposed to tackle the electoral college?

Putin's favorite movie is "The Godfather" and it's interesting how Trump is holding meetings with Ryan and Romney, and they both came away singing his praises. He's holding his friends close and his enemies closer......

Excuse me if I sound pessimistic,...........

[bigtree]

10. it's believable, at this point

...the Trump staff ties to Putin; the Russian diplomat claiming communication with several Trump campaign staffers; Trump's own repeated calls for Russia to continue hacking the DNC and Hillary, by extension; his campaign's direct and public exploitation of the hacked material; Donald Trump Jr.'s business travel and dealings; rumored Trump debt to Russian banks.

We have every right to demand answers, and if not satisfied, ask again behind a subpoena.

[colorado_ufo]

37. Not to mention

an economically disadvantaged middle class and an increasingly uninformed electorate.

[RazBerryBeret]

8. So Disturbing

and I have to say I'm very pissed at the overall reaction to this in RL.
for the last 8 years, I've seen friends/relative/acquaintances post, like and share hateful messages about Obama being a muslim. That he was going to destroy America from the inside as part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
and now there is credible evidence that Trump is in fact conspiring with a foreign entity (not even an ally) and no one seem s to care. or it's no big deal.

[narnian60]

45. +1

[VOX]

64. It's insane. And facts don't seem to matter much.

It's so out of whack that you want to scream from the rooftops. But you get shoulder-shrugs from Republicans. And the dumbass, RW-talking-point kicker: "What's so bad about being friendly with Russia?"

[RazBerryBeret]

67. but... imagine

if 8 years ago Obama had been in the same position... friendly with a foreign, not friendly US country... their heads would have exploded.

[bucolic_frolic]

11. RUN WITH IT - Get this story out NOW before we're muzzled like in Russia

Go tell it on the mountain

Chat, message, bulletin, friends and family

What is to be done?

[Achilleaze]

12. Demand: All Electors must have access to the Intelligence Report before Dec. 19

or they will be voting in a cloud of Republican-Russian illusions.

[Raster]

13. What I want to know is which Repub AND Dem leaders knew about this before the election.

I'll bet it was McConnell -R, Hypocrite/Traitor, KY; Ryan -R, Hypocrite/Traitor, WI; and Chaffetz -R, Liar/Hypocrite/Traitor and Insufferable little chickenshit, UT.

[lastlib]

22. I'd add Ghouliani to that list.....

[blue neen]

15. John Dean:

John Dean ?@JohnWDean 12h12 hours ago
Wow. This is deeply troubling. We have Russia's man heading to the White House. Trump is not only a fool, he may be Putin's tool.

John Dean @JohnWDean
The intel report on Russia's role in the 2016 election must be available for all electors before the electoral college meets Dec. 19.

[Stellar]

16. This is a True concern of mine and should be for the country. nt

[blue neen]

26. It's all stunning, really.

The Russian government doesn't want to just influence our election, they want to OWN our government.

And Trump is giving it to them, like a perfect stooge.

[progressoid]

17. We need a new Woodward and Bernstein.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

18. The lukewarm response from Democratic leadership indicates that they think

the US is still a democracy. Schumer is talking about next year. The response needs to be loud outrage. Trump/Putin is playing by their rules and winning the game.

[Texin]

25. Perhaps, the muted responses by Dems

are an attempt to not provoke the rethug backlash from Cheeto's voters, who will be crying "Foul!" if he's denied the 'residency.

But, I agree that there needs to be more outrage from the American people about this. I would think, given all those Billionaire Boys' Club cabinet appointees and a Oil Magnate maybe being confirmed as SoS, that there would be more alarm being voiced by the electorate. Maybe many are, but if they are, they're certainly being quiet about it. That could be because they're embarrassed to have been played so thoroughly and know that what's in store is going to be as bad for them as it for the "others" they wanted to deport or "put in their place". I've never met a rethug - rich or poor - who EVER wanted anybody rethug or Dem to "touch" their SocSec, Medicare and personal healthcare insurance, now everything is on the chopping block, and those gold-plated healthcare plans they're on might be one step away from throwing them off because of one illness or one pre-existing condition that are about to be repealed out of existence, and with that repeal, the legal prohibition against insurers from doing that to protect them.

So far, I'm not seeing the outrage that their 'resident, whether legit or not (and I say this confirms he's not and never was or even could be) was put in that position by Vlad Putin and that Cheeto is a tRumpchurian operative with Washington D.C. becoming Kremlin on the Potomac.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

35. Clinton "won" by more than 3 million votes & most likely a lot more. Trump's Hitler-like

rallies are for the purpose of appearances. There many more people who want strong responses from both the Republicans and Democrats as Putin is manipulating our system as "Washington D.C. [is] becoming Kremlin on the Potomac."

[NewJeffCT]

61. that's disheartening

when Mike Smerconish (guesting for Tweety today on Hardball) is more outraged than the Dem leadership, you know something is wrong.

[FailureToCommunicate]

19. Should be Washington Post, front page, above the fold. But, not likely, alas.

[Texin]

29. It was WaPo that broke the story!

[FailureToCommunicate]

55. Oh. Okay. Thanks. Then the Watergate analogy is even better.

[Kablooie]

21. Yawn.

That's reality.
No one cares about reality anymore.
If this had been a manufactured lie it would throw everything into a spin.
But reality, yawn.

[WomanWhoRoars]

23. Dissing the CIA?

So, Trump's response is to diss the CIA for a false report about WMD in Iraq? UGH. What's the response to that idiotic remark?

[SunSeeker]

34. Trump is wrong. Again. The Bush Administration lied about WMDs, not the CIA.

The CIA never said there were WMDs in Iraq.

The thing is, the Iraq War was not the result of an intelligence goof — rather, the country’s top office systematically misled the public about Iraq’s nonexistent WMD program, as well as Saddam Hussein’s link to Al Qaeda.

On Tuesday night, former CIA Deputy Director and Bush’s intelligence briefer Michael Morell appeared on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” where he, under an amount of good cable news duress, admitted that the administration intentionally misrepresented intelligence.

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/20/george_w_bushs_cia_briefer_admits_iraq_wmd_intelligence_was_a_lie/

[Jacob Boehme]

24. Perhaps.....

The "Republican Party" might be better off if they renamed themselves with something more in line with their principals, with the "Not See Party" being the most fitting.

[pressbox69]

27. Trump makes Nixon look like Lincoln.

[UCmeNdc]

28. It is time to take a stand!

[Guilded Lilly]

30. K&R for what it's worth. I refuse to do nothing!

[blue neen]

31. Treasongate.

Donnie, and Mitchie, and Rudy and all the other "Russian youth".

[SunSeeker]

32. K & R

[gulliver]

33. I like Dean's comment about the electors.

I think the best plan would be to elect Kasich. The electors and Republican Congress aren't going to allow Hillary to be elected, but they might nail Trump. It depends on how the public feels about this Russian manipulation. Republicans in Congress will elect Trump if his base stands behind him.

[Jean-Jacques Roussea]

44. (R) Voters will be outraged. Some "#NotMyPresident" appropriation probably.

(D) voters should be outraged, but the party of reality will resign themselves to "welp, beggers can't be choosers".

Kasich won't do anything because he'll be congress' lapdog (toting the 1% approval rating he'll have entering office). Ryan and McConnell will dismantle everything and threaten impeachment if he steps out of line.

We need to convince Republican electors to vote for Clinton, but elect Kaine. Use some reverse psychology to imply "well, Clinton's guilty, and republican congress/senate will keep her in check anyways (main fear of a lot of these people was a dem controlled senate/congress giving "crooked Hillary" free reign)". Tell them "she'll probably be impeached and we'll get Tim Kaine" and they should be reasonably discontent but not discontent enough to avoid casting their vote for HRC.

[treestar]

52. that's someone nobody voted for

IMO the only thing they could do is elect Clinton.

[gulliver]

54. Unfortunately, I think the new Congress gets the last word.

The Republican Congress would simply object to and then vote to exclude any electoral votes for Clinton that came from a state Trump won. That would take the majority of votes away from Trump, but then the House of Representatives would have to choose between Trump and Clinton, because no one else would have any electoral votes. To keep Trump out, somehow a third candidate needs to get at least one electoral vote that the Republicans in Congress would not disqualify. Then the Republicans in Congress could nail Trump by voting for that person. It seems a lot more likely that they would do that for Kasich than vote in Hillary.

[Grins]

36. Putin's poodle...? N/m

[colorado_ufo]

38. MAY be Putin's tool?

Putin has grabbed Trump by the pu**y.

[War Horse]

41. It was always a win-win for Putin if Trump won

One, if Putin and Trump could actually work together it would be a win. And second, if Trump would lead the US down the drain it would be an even larger win.

Pure speculation on my part, but Putin may have out-trumped Trump here.

And I'm not one to demonize Russia, or even more importantly, Russians, FWIW. I have several Russians friends (yes, I know, I know... but we do share a border, I'm Norwegian) and former "cow-orkers" from there.

[FightingIrish]

43. Bigger than 9-11

Watergate was not an attempt by a foreign power to bring down the USA. This is.

[Grammy23]

46. I guess what disturbs me about "doing something"..

is that when things went wrong during the 2000 election and again in 2004, we thought once stories emerged about the vote flipping that Voters saw happen and other questionable practices (tabulators with programs designed to change the votes), many people (myself included) thought that there would be an investigation into what really happened. There was much angst and discussion here on DU and other places about the truth coming out and that what happened would be fixed. Some of us had our hopes raised that maybe Bush was not re-elected after all. That there would be a REAL INVESTIGATION and that our System of government would work to fix what went wrong. But we were mistaken and our hopes were dashed.

Now we are faced again with an even bigger crisis in our electoral system. Another country (countries?) have interfered with our national election to insure that the candidate of THEIR choice is put in place. This candidate (and others in his party) is telling us to ignore the facts about this and even our elected officials who CAN DO SOMETHING seem to be slow to take this seriously. We hear a lot of lip service but so far it seems to me we will continue to hear more rhetoric and hot air about this and then like 2000 and 2004, it will all fade away. Nothing will happen to tell us the truth and get to the bottom of the extent of Russia's manipulation and hacking.

I wish I felt sure that this nightmare we've been enduring since Nov. 8th is going to be corrected but alas, I am not convinced it will happen. I have a very tiny flicker of hope, but it's not much. Anyone else feel this way?

[robbedvoter]

57. exactly the same way!

[BigDemVoter]

49. K & R!

[robbedvoter]

56. She told us too

https://twitter.com/ScottyLiterati/status/807512277457006592

[babylonsister]

62. Shared with thanks for

putting this together. Let's see if anyone does anything. Very stinking interesting times.

Happy Holidays!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

63. I agree

Sadly though. 40+ years later we're going through this bullshit all over again.

Do these fuckheads ever learn or is it just hubris?

[VOX]

66. Kicked like a 68-yard field goal attempt with time expired.

It's got the loft and distance, but the wind's edging the ball toward right-hand goal post. If it clears, it'll be by mere inches.

[elias7]

68. Conservatives have been doing this forever

Always on the wrong side of history. Always fighting to maintain an unholdable status quo and ending up worsening the status quo in out of bounds attempts to hold power. McCarthy. Conservativism is fundamentally at odds with life and nature, the only constant being change itself, this is what they wish to deny.

[Scurrilous]

69. K & R

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

71. If only anybody listened to us any more.

Not feeling real confident anything will be done about this at all. Of course, if the tables were turned and a Dem had these same issues, all Hell would be breaking loose in the House and Senate.