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This morning I have been reading the astonishing story of Russian government interference in the election of our next President, and the complicit actions by the head of our FBI. As a political science major and lifelong political junkie, I am profoundly shocked on many levels. I believe that this is the greatest crises in the Obama administration, and perhaps the greatest crises to the nation since the Civil War. Our very fate as a democratic nation is in jeopardy.
When a people loses faith in their electoral processes, they have lost faith in their government; it is illegitimate. We are there. The current results of this election are worthless.
I do not know what President Obama is going to do, but he must do something, and quickly. It cannot be business as usual, ho hum, lets just swear him in and see what happens. That gives legitimacy to what is essentially a bloodless Russian sponsored coup.
I think we need to go back and re-count every single vote in every precinct in the country, even if it takes a year and costs 10 billion. What could be more important than our democracy? We also need to hold public hearings on exactly what the Russians did, and how they did it, find out who was complicit and charge them with crimes if necessary, and take steps to see it can never happen again. Perhaps fundamental changes to the way we hold elections, e.g. federal control of the Presidential vote? Perhaps we even need to vote again after having done all this. I don't know and I do not know who runs the country in the meantime. Obama? Some triumvirate? No one? I'm floundering in a sea of questions, and I do not envy our President.
If he takes actions, will the Republicans back him? They never have, but we have never faced a crises of this magnitude. It's time for people to put country ahead of politics. If this goes badly, we may never see free, fair elections in our lifetimes.
This is a constitutional crises of monumental proportions.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)to a quisling who wasn't elected.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Time for the oath keepers and militia types to defend their country.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Corrupt Trump said if Russia is hacking, "Good! Find Hillary's missing emails and release them!"
His voters a) couldn't care less and b) will never believe a word the press or the Obama Administration says about this.
We had an election. We knew the rules. We lost.
If there is a criminal case to be made against a sitting president, we know how that works.
Overturning election results because a foreign nation-state released stolen documents and planted fake news - that is something we need to think long and hard about.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)Do we know that releasing stolen documents and planting fake news is all Russia did? Did they hack voting machines in key states? I don't know, but why not? We just do not know the extent of this, and until we do, the election is not valid.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)They also said this investigation is not about contesting the results of the election.
BREMPRO
(2,331 posts)Trump can simply deny deflect and claim intelligence community is lying like the did about WMDs in Iraq. He will be backed by his rabid Trumpbots and McConnell who suppressed the Intel before the election. The repukes who now control everything are salivating at the opportunity to install pro corporate anti regulation and estate tax repeal champions so won't investigate. Obama admin better act fast
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)BREMPRO
(2,331 posts)Won't matter..
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)Wonder where they were during this nightmare. Have they all been rounded up and disappeared?
demjayhawk
(5 posts)This whole thing has got me worried. Is anything safe these days? We have become one of those third world countries now
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)my extremely high opinion of him will end up in the gutter.
The Russians seemed to have targeted the weaknesses in him and in our electoral process.
We have no way to quantify their damage and unless someone powerful like Obama risks nearly all of their political capital we're sunk.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)The shit has hit the fan, folks.
I am very afraid that nothing will be done: Obama will not take decisive action, and I am not any too sure that the majority of Democrats will, either. We need more than expressions of outrage or more committees to study this, we need action!
I don't see an election do-over as a real possibility, but perhaps something could be done in regard to the Electoral College.
This is truly terrifying.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)and a puppet/satellite of Russia with Putin being the actual Fuhrer of America.
Dump will be his figurehead.
This is exactly what Trump's true believers wanted.
demjayhawk
(5 posts)Wasn't there some talk about forming a counter militia to the RW groups?