Bob Baer on CNN says this is a constitutional crisis...

[Satch59]

He's former CIA and said these leaks would not come out if they didn't have forensic proof. He says the election should be considered illegitimate and redone...said any other foreign country would do this. Also said that by Russia hacking in RNC then they have info to hold over Trump and essentially can control their power...

This really is frightening... So what's different now seems to be there was speculation back in Sept but now there's proof? Am I reading this correctly?

[flamingdem]

1. Good. It's not just msnbc

Maybe the media sees a chance to right wrongs... or this story will last a few days and evaporate.

In exactly what way can pressure be brought to bear? Trump will invent a new crisis to distract soon

[pangaia]

19. " Maybe the media sees a chance to right wrongs...."

"..or this story will last a few days and evaporate"
That's more like it..



"In exactly what way can pressure be brought to bear?"

Get out and contact your reps and tell them to fight against this coup d'etat and every single nominee il duce puts up for his cabinet.



Call the White House
Call Attorneys General
Write letters to editors.
Contact broadcast media.
Join groups fighting the coup.
Contribute $$ if you can.
Post on social media.
Join protests, marches, strikes, boycotts.
any other type of civil disobedience. .
PROTEST any way possible...

Anything else you might think of...

[blue cat]

41. A few days???

My guess is that it will end today.

[pangaia]

45. Right.. By Monday it will be back to E"WHATEVAH!"

[LaydeeBug]

51. Sadly, this. nt

[Alekzander]

60. All I say is breathe, don't hold your breath on the media. Who knows about them.

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[marybourg]

75. Yes! It's not up to the media! It's up to US! nt.

[marybourg]

78. Yes. This is a constitutional crisis.

An event has happened that was foreseen by the founders: an incompetent foreign puppet has been elected President. The founders provided a remedy for just such a situation in the Constitution. The remedy is not going to put into effect. This is a constitutional crisis.

[workinclasszero]

52. "Maybe the media sees a chance to right wrongs"

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!1111!!!!!!!

Like they aren't already in bed the the ***kin Russians since the election started two damn years ago or w/e???

Those bastards have been carrying Dumps water for eons!!

We are well and truly screwed and I see no way out TBH.

What remains of the democratic party can fight back but with the knowledge that the Russian republican fascist party cannot be stopped at passing every damned law it wants!

[flamingdem]

55. Borscht in every pot!!

[workinclasszero]

57. And you will like it comrade..

...or else!

[Beartracks]

85. A borscht truck on every corner!

===============

[kacekwl]

82. CNN Will just leave it there.

Go back to covering Orange Hitler's fuck you America tour.

[montana_hazeleyes]

86. That is a good name for it.

"fuck you America tour" ! That's exactly what it is.

[roamer65]

2. The electors can fix it.

Vote for Hillary or another untainted Repub for president.

I would accept Mitt Romney at this point, as he is anti-Russian.

The founders gave us the tools to fix the issue, if we have the guts to use them.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

3. Holy Crap - I'm so darned scared at this point I, too, would accept Romney. nt

[libtodeath]

4. Me too,what if Putin is threatening a nuclear "test" somewhere if we dont stand down?

[NewJeffCT]

94. they've already moved some ICBMs

to more provocative locations...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-moves-short-range-9307268

[libtodeath]

95. And with cheato antagonizing China

[Turn CO Blue]

18. Trumpettes lurched so far right that Romney now seems moderate, normal, even warm & decent. n/t

[Tess49]

20. Yep. Romney is looking pretty good right now. n/t

[rzemanfl]

27. I'm so scared I would accept any Bush, including Billy. n/t

[wryter2000]

97. Same here

He was the inventor of Romney Care, after all, and he is a sane, albeit loathsome, individual.

[roamer65]

6. We also need a national unity cabinet from either one of them.

We are under attack from the Sino-Russian axis.

We need to be united as a people against it.

[pangaia]

21. I would accept Clinton.

[MattP]

5. Comey thought emails were more important than having a Russian puppet as president

[Fast Walker 52]

25. he's a piece of shit

[jmowreader]

53. Oh no Matt, it goes deeper than that

Comey was one of the Whitewater prosecutors. He saw this as his last best chance to "get" Hillary Clinton once and for all, and took it.

Unfortunately, his little vendetta - if it succeeds - will probably destroy what's left of this country.

[dhill926]

56. whoa....did not know that...

jesus christ. story of the century and the media sits on it's hands...

[duffyduff]

73. He was up to his eyeballs in Whitewater.

Why Obama put him in there is a mystery to me.

[FailureToCommunicate]

88. Obama has been kinda quiet.

[Dustlawyer]

92. TPTB see that Trump is giving them everything they wanted for Christmas and they own the MSM.

This will go no where with them. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think we will get a redo. At best we get Pres Pence.

[HurricaneWarning]

58. I'm wondering

if the Russians have something on Comey. This whole scenario is scaring the shit out of me.

[Skidmore]

7. And some treat it

like another episode of a Trump reality shoe.

[rzemanfl]

28. Are those the official shoes of white people? I heard New Balance. n/t

[eShirl]

32. its a really bigly shoe

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Yes,this is a

Constitutional crisis. Came close with Nixon and Bush,but this is a whole new ball game. What tears me is,top leadership of both Parties new about this and McConnel won the day. Sure pisses off a ton of people. No wonder the Supreme Court vacancy issue was taken off the table by McConnel. The fix was in.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

9. Coup, Constitutional Crisis, Russian Take-Over - different ways of saying the same thing

[Wellstone ruled]

22. I love to say something and many others would too.

But our Mods go nuts. People in Key Political Offices new about this and out of Collegiality in the Senate,chose not to call for Investigations or blow the doors off with a major Press Conference. And people wonder why our Democratic Party does not stand up,but shut up as not to ruffle peoples Ego's.

[rzemanfl]

30. Remington? Winchester?

Meaning of course, the artist and the cathedral.

[Wellstone ruled]

35. There will be ton's of Op-Eds and

letters to the Editor in coming days. With that,will be watching the twisting in the wind by a couple of High Ranking Pols.

Treasonous Bastards!!!!!!

[AnotherMother4Peace]

34. Well, it's all laid bare now: Russian strategically attacked our election on many fronts.

Hopefully our President and elected officials will stand up and stop this Russian coup. I know the Russians have hacked both the RNC and DNC computers and have dirt on a lot of people. I pray every night that someone will stand up for the United States in this time of crisis.

[Wellstone ruled]

43. What the uninformed majority does not grasp is,

some of the Banks here in the US have been hacked and Millions moved to off shore accounts,and into says it was from the same source.

Now there are stories coming from Merkel of Germany,stating the same thing happening to her. Funny,Germany intelligence agencies are not to be screwed with,things never work out to well for those who mess with them.

Notice how they put the NAZI movement in a stand still in the last few weeks. Germany is Putin's lifeline and interesting things are about to happen.

[TexasBushwhacker]

65. I have no idea why the Democrats in the loop

weren't screaming it from the rooftops, and I want to know. I want to know who knew and why they didn't speak up. Reid? Schumer? Pelosi? And frankly, why didn't Obama speak up? Were fooled by the poll numbers and just thought it was impossible for Trump to win?

[Fla Dem]

70. Yeah, Jason Chaffetz didn't waste any time releasing Comey's letter about HRC's emails.

Republicans don't care about niceties or rules. If something gives them an advantage they take it. Democrats are just wimpy.

[Wellstone ruled]

76. At the same time,Orin Hatch pops up

with a shot at the Democrats back home.

[moondust]

10. Baer has never seemed terribly liberal.

Which tends to give his assessment on this more credibility.

It's even possible that Putin has some old intelligence that he knew he'd be able to use to extort and manipulate Trump should he be end up in the White House--like evidence of pedophilia or corruption or something. Putin would much prefer that to Clinton's continued sanctions and resistance to Russian aggression.

[Big_K]

12. That's the first thing I thought - he's no liberal talking head

And so my anxiety goes up to 11.

[mnmoderatedem]

47. he was outspoken against the W administration during the WMD phase though

and therefore will be portrayed as such by the right wing in their attempt to protect drump.

[Jacob Boehme]

11. Auerbach's Cellar

"People seldom know when the Devil is about, even when he has them by the collar."
(Faust, Part 1)

[pangaia]

23. Great quote...

[world wide wally]

13. Who ever doubted for one second that Trump would create some kind of Constitutional crisis?

There is just a tad bit of comfort in that it is coming sooner rather than later when he is entrenched.
Now, let's hope our legislators will do something about it. But bravery is never a quality considered during elections.

[secondwind]

14. The CIA is involved now also, they said it is "very clear" that something was done.. the POTUS is

involved also now, saying he "will get to the bottom of this" before he leaves office.

Am feeling very grateful right now.

[pangaia]

24. Eleanor is my heroine!!

[SHRED]

61. A day late and a dollar short

He knew last Summer.

[elmac]

15. sniffles was in on it

as was his people. long before September. He is not the president but he is the new leader of the fourth Reich. A Coup d'état, an illegal overthrow of the US by foreign agent, agents.

[vanlassie]

16. If the EC is going to NOT vote for Trump

because of this hacking, they MUST vote for Hillary. The purpose of the interference was to prevent the Democratic Party to remain in power. There is no halfway remedy!

[davekriss]

81. My guess is if there is an elector defection,

the votes will be all over the place and no one gets to 270. The House then gets to choose. Romney? I doubt it will be Kasich.

[Satch59]

17. More needs to come out and be blasted on MSM, then the electors

Have the chance to be true patriots...and everyone can save face...GOP can get off the hook for having a part in this...DEM won't look like sore losers...

This is getting scarier by the moment...

[BigDemVoter]

26. The ONE time I wish I had television.

Is this popping up on television today?

[Grammy23]

33. Don't know about other networks...

But MSNBC is all over it. The story began to break last night during Rachel Maddow's show and continues this morning on AM Joy and throughout the morning. Lots of spinning by the Repubs to ignor and move along.

The appointment of Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State just announced. Is it another diversionary tactic?? Let's talk something else?? I don't think it will work....

[BigDemVoter]

36. I LOVE it!

At the very least, it will raise the Orange Rectum's blood pressure, and he'll go off on a Twitter tantrum. I cannot wait!

[YOHABLO]

49. So far on CNN and MSNBC there have been several discussions. But mostly right wingers as guests.

That was early this morning about 7:00 a.m. I think by Monday after the Sunday political talk shows, things will gain some momentum. This really is an unprecedented turn of events in U.S.History. People should be aware that this is bigger than Watergate. That is of course if we find evidence that people in high government positions collaborated with a foreign entity to rig a U.S. general election. Looks to me that there is something there there.

[triron]

29. What position with the CIA did Baer have?

Just curious. I think I agree with him.

[csziggy]

84. He was aCIA case officer who was primarily assigned to the Middle East

Baer has publicly acknowledged that he worked field assignments, starting in Madras and New Delhi, India; and subsequently in Beirut, Lebanon; Khartoum, Sudan; Paris, France; Dushanbe, Tajikistan; Morocco; the former republic of Yugoslavia, and Salah al-Din in Iraqi Kurdistan during his twenty-one years with the CIA. During the mid-1990s, Baer was sent to Iraq with the mission of organizing opposition to Iraqi president Saddam Hussein but was recalled and investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for allegedly conspiring to assassinate the Iraqi leader.[4][5] While in Salah al-Din, Baer unsuccessfully urged the Clinton administration to back an internal Iraqi attempt to overthrow Hussein (organized by a group of Sunni military officers, the Iraqi National Congress' Ahmad Chalabi, and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan's Jalal Talabani) in March 1995 with covert CIA assistance. Baer quit the Agency in 1997 and received the CIA's Career Intelligence Medal on March 11, 1998.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baer#Career

[cstanleytech]

31. Other than the House and Senate stepping in to select the President in the event of a tie is there

any way a new election would be Constitutional?

[J_William_Ryan]

42. No.

The electors will elect Trump.

On to 2020, when it will be vitally important Trump fails to win reelection.

[YOHABLO]

50. I believe the Speaker of the House is the one who decides. If there were a tie of course.

[cstanleytech]

91. That's only if there is a tie in the Senate I believe. NT

[Bobbie Jo]

37. We're watching a COUP materialize right

before our eyes.

WTF America?

[Cosmocat]

64. It isn't "materializing"

It's over.

The country doesn't care.

[think]

38. Link to video of the interview on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/12/10/robert-baer-new-election-russia-hacking-nr.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump-and-russia/

[Maru Kitteh]

39. This country has little time to act.

Before it is delivered irrecoverably to fascism.

[SCVDem]

67. This country is so far removed

From wars direct impact, they don't realize what's coming!

[lpbk2713]

40. While they're at it ... investigate the top levels of the FBI.

Others had to have known what the Director was going to do before he went public.

[Satch59]

44. Question: what power does Obama have to act on election?

Does he have constitutional power to recall the election? Need to research unless someone knows? He can consider this an act of war, correct? I trust Obama to be on top of this and he is a chess master...just don't want the clock to run out??

[bucolic_frolic]

46. Rigging our elections is a provocative act by a foreign power

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Shall we slide into dictatorship and let them and oil companies
plunder our nation?

What choice do we have?

War powers - emergency powers

The problem will be the dance to deflect GOP solidarity and
convince the public so that riots don't break out

This IS a Constitutional Crisis

No wonder Trump camp is running hard on press releases, filling
cabinet, denying need for recount .... they know what's in the laundry

An election do-over has been mentioned by some pundits, in my view that
is the place to go, but Obama must act. Expel diplomats, make brave noises,
the Intelligence community, the deep state, must stand as one as they have
pretty much indicated they would since February.

We are nothing without our freedom, there is nothing left to lose once we lose that

[totodeinhere]

59. Only the Electoral College can act at this point.

Electors pledged to Trump must change their vote even if state laws prohibit it. Of course the problem is that if some electors change their vote to someone else or abstain that might very well throw it to the House and Trump could be elected anyway.

I have another point. The Washington Post article indicated that the Obama Administration had information about this Russian involvement weeks or even months ago. The administration should have acted forcefully then but it did not for whatever reason.

[roamer65]

69. I think they thought the election wouldn't be this close electoral vote wise.

Not an excuse, but I suspect that is the reason.

[marybourg]

79. Oath to defend us against all enemies,

foreign and domestic.

[totodeinhere]

80. But how do you define "enemies?"

Some constitutional scholars maintain that the framers meant enemies in a declared war. And of course we are not in a declared war with Russia. But perhaps we could get the courts to rule that "enemies" is a more general term than just war combatants.

[blue neen]

87. Domestic.

That would include Mitch McConnell. Traitor.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

48. Join the many asking the electors to vote out Trump...

http://asktheelectors.org

With as many people that we have just on this site we can make our voices heard.

Pass this on to all, the more the better.

Time for revolution is now.

Get our country out of Russian control.

[Satch59]

54. Need to say...thanks for the recs...

First time I ever had a trending home page post...

But of course this is a scary as hell topic...and with the added SOS pick, this can't go away.

[INdemo]

62. Any time now Hillary..jump right in there

[Maru Kitteh]

71. IF she has any shot at all, she will have BUT ONE SHOT. It will need to be done flawlessly

and so shouldn't be stumbled into in a blind rage, or it will be wasted and lost.

[CrispyQ]

63. A global coup by The Billionaire White Mens Club.

We're fucked. This will be feudalism on steroids.

[SHRED]

66. And our Dem leaders respond by calling for yet another "study"

[Ilsa]

68. Dammit, Jimmy Carter! Where were you?

We need out elections monitored as if we were a third world country.

(Just kidding about Pres. Carter. I know he's busy building homes for the poor.)

[killbotfactory]

72. If they didn't hack the election results, what can we do?

If they hacked into the campaigns and stole emails and selectively released them to damage Clinton, how does that invalidate the election results?

[lanlady]

74. And the hacked RNC emails that the Russian are holding onto--

--are probably being used by Moscow as leverage against top Republican leaders. They're probably full of "never Trump" talk that would tear the party apart if the content was released into the wild.

Oh my, I think I just said that the Russians own the GOP. In addition to Trump.

[no_hypocrisy]

77. What does Jimmy Carter say about this?

[TheFrenchRazor]

83. without a doubt. nt

[Kablooie]

89. Trump should welcome a revote.

He knows the majority loves him and previews of wonderful legislation like cutting Social Security, Medicare, and elimination of environmental controls must have only endeared him even more to the populace.

And he can sell more hats!

Why, he should demand the revote himself!

[tomp]

90. So let's that 's say a do-over actually occurs.

With our compromised voting system, how would we guarantee fairness? Who's to say it couldn't be hacked again? Will the computer voting companies reveal their proprietary software? Will all the votes be counted this time? Will people who were denied registration be registered? Will "spoiled votes be counted? Will voting districts be un-gerrymandered?

This is what happens when, against all available information, the government fails to guarantee fair elections.

The constitution? Well, it's original flaws have been stymying true democracy since its inception. It's now actually time for "change we can believe in," which we did not get from the current administration as promised. We are approaching actual revolution, which, as students of history are aware, can go in horrible directions. In general, the answer is with millions of marching feet in the street, with or without permits.

[cstanleytech]

93. No Bob it's not a constitutional crisis unless we try to force through another election early

as there is no provision in the Constitution for that.
That does not mean we can't try to persuade the electoral delegates to do their job though and reject Trump as being unfit to be President due to his own actions and inability to behave in a professional and more Presidential manner after the election.

[wryter2000]

96. I don't think Republicans like Trump

Except for the Teapartiers because he's pushing their agenda and they don't give a sh*t about anything else. I think the R's see him as a tremendous danger to their party in the not-so-long term and would love to get rid of him in favor of Pence. He'd really be their guy.

So, I doubt they'd do anything real before he takes office, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the old guard Rs get him impeached and removed from office. Lord knows there are plenty of grounds to do that based on conflict of interest alone.

I imagine things would be just as miserable under Pence as Trump, but I'd sure like to see Tribblehead have to eat an excrement sandwich.