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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:32 PM Dec 2016

I don't post that often and I'm sure many consider that a good thing. But, please, read this one.

It's sliding away.

Our democracy, our morality, our leadership in the world---Trump, plagued with the twin illnesses of arrogance and greed---is about to destroy the greatest nation the world has ever known. It would serve no purpose to recite the details. I understand that I am preaching to the choir here---a very informed choir. But, so we're informed---so what?

Like a lot of you, I suspect, I'm wondering just what I can do to impact this tragedy; to prevent Trump from assuming power as the tin pot dictator he has always wanted to be. I think it has to be something big, something drastic, something that no news organization can ignore or mischaracterize.

As a child of the 60's, I understand demonstrations. I know---because I've been told by some here---that that is old-fashioned and cumbersome. I am aware that social media has opened up a myriad of new possible avenues for protest. BUT---

---Nothing you might do digitally could compare to, say, a million people assembling on the Mall to INSIST that the Russian hacking and election interference be fully investigated, that the Senate not approve the fascist rogue's gallery Trump wants for his cabinet and that Trump produce his damned TAX RETURNS!

I am 67. I am willing to throw my arthritic body into the cogs of Trump's machine, but I need to know just where I can have the most effect. I---WE---need leadership to organize effective counter-measures and we need it NOW. If we do not "flood the zone" with indignation, protests, outrage and an absolute refusal to accept this bullshit that is being peddled as "just another election", we will live to be outcasts in our own land.

If, as some of these, neo-nazis have hoped, it is some day a crime to be a liberal Democrat, by God I don't want my charges dismissed for lack of evidence! I and millions like me will follow if a nationally known leader will point the way.

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I don't post that often and I'm sure many consider that a good thing. But, please, read this one. (Original Post) Atticus Dec 2016 OP
I'm 49 and I'm right with you underpants Dec 2016 #1
Yep taking my teens out of school Generator Dec 2016 #71
Bravo! Well said. rzemanfl Dec 2016 #2
I am with you. Lifelong Protester Dec 2016 #3
I wouldn't count on that digital to be easily accessed for too long rurallib Dec 2016 #4
Yup, that will be one of the first targets. n/t GP6971 Dec 2016 #82
I'm with you. I'll go up there, too. n/t tom_kelly Dec 2016 #5
I think the electors should insist he produce his tax returns Ilsa Dec 2016 #6
I'm wth you also. Let's do it n/t iluvtennis Dec 2016 #7
I think you are absolutely right. This situation calls for a mass uprising ... KPN Dec 2016 #8
Use the post in any way you wish. nt Atticus Dec 2016 #9
+1!!! THIS Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #73
I'm 60 and will be honored to follow you as a cog in the Trump machine! JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #10
I'm 67 and been through all of that and then some. Scruffy1 Dec 2016 #16
I rarely post also, check this post I made to DU 15 years ago: JoeOtterbein Dec 2016 #25
Protests don't work anymore because 90-percent Dec 2016 #72
I will join all of you, ONLY to be.... lastlib Dec 2016 #78
There are likely millions and millions of people Control-Z Dec 2016 #11
That's what's so sad marlakay Dec 2016 #74
I've always loved Barry, but I think he really let us down this time. The signs were all there Pinkflamingo Dec 2016 #12
National strike Denis 11 Dec 2016 #13
i agree, and ya know the funny thing about a dem tilted strike? mopinko Dec 2016 #30
You need a permit to March On Washington, en masse Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #14
Don't know about anyone else, but filing for permits sounds too much like asking for permission. Atticus Dec 2016 #17
I understand what you say Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #19
Millions showing up in their cars can cause traffic gridlock too. MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #62
citation? roborob Dec 2016 #81
Heard it on the Thom Hartmann Show last week. Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #83
Washington Post wrote about the permits issue. Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #84
I just watched footage of the Chinese killing dissidents at Tiananmen Square. Trump would do that Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #15
If it will save America for my kids and grandkids, he can start with this old fart. nt Atticus Dec 2016 #18
Agreed. I would lay my body down for mine as well. I will if it becomes the only way. nt Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #22
Let them lock up this old bag. lapislzi Dec 2016 #85
"WE---need leadership to organize effective counter-measures and we need it NOW. " progressoid Dec 2016 #20
and it is NOT coming from democratic party leadership. tomp Dec 2016 #54
Ni it will come from Unions classykaren Dec 2016 #57
I am 74 yrs old.. cpmx2006 Dec 2016 #21
{{HUGS}} Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #24
I grew up in Western NC but have been in the deepest blue of CA for moonscape Dec 2016 #29
I will be 72 years old in 8 days. anniebelle Dec 2016 #48
I, too, have had a physical, sick reaction. I think we need an ECONOMIC BOYCOTT. chimpymustgo Dec 2016 #50
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #55
Agree AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #23
Even Nixon would find Jump, darn dolt offensive. He'd be marching too. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 #26
I fear we are on our own. We must be the hero WhiteTara Dec 2016 #27
There WILL be a march on Jan 21. s-cubed Dec 2016 #28
I may be there on the 21st of January, but--- Atticus Dec 2016 #32
I agree. The 21st is too late. By then, it's a done deal. Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #44
Right on, Atticus!! There with you! AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #31
Any one who thinks social media awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #33
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2016 #34
Weekly! DC Protests! Pick a day and have them WEEKLY. Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #35
I'm in for twice month. I'm 14 hours away. nt Atticus Dec 2016 #37
Great! WEEKLY DC Anti-Trump Protest, will grow, and people will come when they can. Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #56
This may be a rhetorical question canetoad Dec 2016 #36
I'm with you. I keep thinking about the millions who fought & even died defending America... CaptainTruth Dec 2016 #38
Keith Olbermann barbtries Dec 2016 #39
65 million people laying down in the streets, sea to shining sea. This week. Demand the electors act Dems to Win Dec 2016 #40
Bravo. I'm 58 and I'll be proud to share a jail cell with you jg10003 Dec 2016 #41
Yes! People have been saying we must give money. Well, Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #42
Keep posting, Atticus. democrank Dec 2016 #43
...rapid response system at DU Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #76
Atticus, I hear you. I am 63. I am with you in your frustration. I also remember what we did Silver Gaia Dec 2016 #45
I'm not frustrated. I'm outraged! stollen Dec 2016 #46
I will be 60 in several days... Raster Dec 2016 #47
We put. I'm with you. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #49
Im going to Washington to protest. gwheezie Dec 2016 #51
He is not president yet...last ditch effort... N_E_1 for Tennis Dec 2016 #52
This is NOT a hyperbolic reply...but there is no answer short of secession or war. Moostache Dec 2016 #53
Hear, hear!! Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #61
Some may find this declaration inspiring for our current events. Jacob Boehme Dec 2016 #58
No, I'm not new. I'm nightscanner repackaged, thanx, so pls don't "welcome me to DU." lambchopp59 Dec 2016 #59
by design, indeed woodchuck mom Dec 2016 #70
One thing I am sure of is that if it is going to hit the fan, sooner is better than later. world wide wally Dec 2016 #60
D.C. or state capitols? MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #63
DC, for sure. Atticus Dec 2016 #64
Good points. I am in. MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #67
10 yrs your junior LittleGirl Dec 2016 #65
"we will live to be outcasts in our own land". I'm not American but... Locut0s Dec 2016 #66
Reject the fascist and resist the fascism! blm Dec 2016 #68
K&R BSdetect Dec 2016 #69
K&R n/t Dalai_1 Dec 2016 #75
I've had the same thoughts running though my head lately, Atticus. I'm 64. Nitram Dec 2016 #77
I'll be there, all 64 years of me with a protest background! raven mad Dec 2016 #79
totally agree wildman76 Dec 2016 #80

underpants

(182,739 posts)
1. I'm 49 and I'm right with you
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:39 PM
Dec 2016

I wasn't sure about what I'd do but this post has inspired me to take a train to DC as I did on October 26, 2002 to protest the war. Seriously.

 

Generator

(7,770 posts)
71. Yep taking my teens out of school
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:27 PM
Dec 2016

that day and doing it local here downtown It may be our last chance.

rzemanfl

(29,556 posts)
2. Bravo! Well said.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:40 PM
Dec 2016

"If, as some of these, neo-nazis have hoped, it is some day a crime to be a liberal Democrat, by God I don't want my charges dismissed for lack of evidence!" Me either.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
4. I wouldn't count on that digital to be easily accessed for too long
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:44 PM
Dec 2016

That will be an early and major target.

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
6. I think the electors should insist he produce his tax returns
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:12 PM
Dec 2016

Far in advance of their meeting and voting. We have a right to know what he owes Vlad and his friends.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
8. I think you are absolutely right. This situation calls for a mass uprising ...
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:25 PM
Dec 2016

and indignation voiced over the internet is weak-kneed in the face of the threat to democracy we now face. Whatever we do as Americans concerned about the health and well-being of our democracy, it has to happen soon ... and it must be huge.

We need to all urge the leaders of existing democratic movements alive and well on the net to step up and organize a nation-wide protest ... soon, before the electoral college meets. It has to be huge in DC, but it needs to be huge throughout the US as well.

I am going to do my piece. If you're okay with it Atticus, I am going to send your alarm to every venue I can think of in the next 24 hours as well as the Congressional delegation that represents me, the DOJ, friends and family. Someone, somewhere with influence and credibility needs to take this on immediately -- before it is too late. Time is short!

I would urge you all to do the same. Our nation is under threat.

Scruffy1

(3,254 posts)
16. I'm 67 and been through all of that and then some.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:56 PM
Dec 2016

I never post and hardly ever comment although I read this sight daily. personally, I have come to believe that demonstrations in themselves are ineffective and as a card carrying lefty I've been in a gazillion of them. Had one today in very cold temperature and about froze my feet. There's nothing wrong with a protest if you realize it's just really a get together and an outreach, but if you think it will change anything by itself it won't work. I have come to believe direct action is most effective, but I don't see a general strike happening anytime soon, though a nationwide strike would be nice. Remember, that areas that vote for Democrats control over 2/3 of our economy. I live in a heavily democratic district, so there's not much more I can do about national elections in my area, but what I can do is organize resistance against deportations, political intimidation, attacks on minorities. If we stick together and cover each others back we can make it through until better days. I'm not religious at all but have found many allies in the churches, especially the Catholics who have strongly stood up for their Hispanic members. They also will protect our Muslim neighbors.
The demonstration today was in an area of my city with a large Hispanic population and was really just a way of saying we are with you. Solidarity is the key.
Meanwhile if I have to die I can't think of a better way of going than to jam the fascists gears. I can still remember a very old Priest standing in the doorway of his church and telling ICE they will enter his sanctuary over his dead body. I hope I have the courage he had. Resist and resist and resist.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
25. I rarely post also, check this post I made to DU 15 years ago:
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:40 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/01/02/010216_faking.html

Thanks for posting again. I will also be honored to die fighting such a foreign threat to our nation. Please keep posting again!

#ResistResistResist

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
72. Protests don't work anymore because
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:05 PM
Dec 2016

it's bad for business and therefore censored to non-existence. The largest gathering of protesters in human history took place all over the world prior to the March 2003 Invasion of Iraq. And most Americans are not even aware of that remarkable little fact. It drove me bat shit back then because I read DU and knew it was all lies. Deliberate lies intended to frighten all of us into war and "to get those bastards that did this to us." And that was the turning point where "the powers that be" learned that hitler's "big lie" propaganda techniques works as good in the present as it did in Germany in 1933!

-90% Jimmy

lastlib

(23,204 posts)
78. I will join all of you, ONLY to be....
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:40 PM
Dec 2016

the monkey wrench IN the cogs of the Trump machine!

I want to grind it to a WRENCHing halt!! I want to DUMP TRUMP!!

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
11. There are likely millions and millions of people
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:35 PM
Dec 2016

who feel exactly the same. I wrote a response in another thread today saying essentially the same thing (though far less eloquently).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8351014

I think we're all just waiting for the word on where to go and what to do. We need leaders. Political and legal planning. I'll get on a train (or find a ride) like someone up thread mentioned. Just tell me when. I believe the average apathetic non voter would participate on this one too.

For starters I think I'll send an email directly to President Obama and Hillary. We have to get the ball rolling now or we lose. Permanently. Our country. Our planet. Our future.

marlakay

(11,447 posts)
74. That's what's so sad
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:15 PM
Dec 2016

There seem to be no liberal leaders doing more than swatting at flies while the rest of us watch in shock, hoping someone strong will come forward so we can follow.

Pinkflamingo

(177 posts)
12. I've always loved Barry, but I think he really let us down this time. The signs were all there
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:42 PM
Dec 2016


BEFORE the election. He's still in charge.

We should have shown outrage that continued from the election night to now. This stupid election needs to be unwound and re-done.

Denis 11

(280 posts)
13. National strike
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:43 PM
Dec 2016

The blue parts of this country, that pay the bulk of the taxes just stay home on a national strike. Let the red areas see we are not standing for this bull$*it.

mopinko

(70,074 posts)
30. i agree, and ya know the funny thing about a dem tilted strike?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:06 AM
Dec 2016

most of the workers who would join us are f'ing invisible to those who could not make it to lunch time w/o them.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
14. You need a permit to March On Washington, en masse
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:45 PM
Dec 2016

File for a permit, have a slogan, promote it, invite people, coordinate buses.

The trump administration has filed for ALL the permits in DC over the inauguration, including blocking the million woman march. I don't know how this will turn out, but trump is blocking the American people from freedom of speech, because it is against him.

Maybe contact the organizers of large actions like the million woman march and hook up with them for a new one regarding an Election Do-Over.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
17. Don't know about anyone else, but filing for permits sounds too much like asking for permission.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:02 PM
Dec 2016

Do we have "freedom of assembly" or don't we?
Do we have the right to petition for "redress of grievances" or don't we?

At my college---MANY years ago---all postings on university bulletin board sites had to be "authorized" by a dean or department head.
We always just posted whatever the hell we wanted and included the stamp: "Authorized by a speeding rhinoceros!" No one ever "got in our way".

If a million of us show up, what they gonna do?

We start with a "PISS ON TRUMP!" attitude and go from there. Attitude is everything. "We ain't doin' nothing' we aren't ENTITLED to do. WE BELONG HERE!"

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
19. I understand what you say
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:09 PM
Dec 2016

I don't know how it works in DC, but they have a permit process. Can they enforce it or not is the question?

We for sure are going to find out on January 21st when 1000's show up to protest. I have three family members that have plane tickets and rooms rented. They will be marching at the million woman march (two are men)!

But you speak of a march now to demand an election do-over. That has teeth!

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
62. Millions showing up in their cars can cause traffic gridlock too.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:19 PM
Dec 2016

Bring food, water, blankets and extra gas and prepare to sit in your car, clogging up the gears.

roborob

(1 post)
81. citation?
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:20 PM
Dec 2016

Hi Equinox Moon -- where did you find out that Trip filed for ALL permits? Is there a link? -- thanks, Rob

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
83. Heard it on the Thom Hartmann Show last week.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:49 PM
Dec 2016

He was reading from a press release report (I believe), but he was reading from something about it. I know in my city people have to apply for protest permits, they are arrested if they show up without one. So much for freedom to assemble and all that. Just as the radical right gets around the rules with abortion rights in places like Texas.

Yet, we do know about inauguration day protests being organized, plus, the Million Women's march on Jan. 21st. (I have three family members going to the one on the 21st; plane tickets, room reserved in MD and will take a train in.)

This link is about Jan. 20th anti-trump protests planned.
http://www.answercoalition.org/protest_on_inauguration_day

I don't know how this all will unfold. I do know America is in distress and we will march about it!

Maru Kitteh

(28,333 posts)
15. I just watched footage of the Chinese killing dissidents at Tiananmen Square. Trump would do that
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:56 PM
Dec 2016

here. He is installing so many generals at the seats of power. The majority of currently enrolled military voted for him.

He is the "law and order" president.

I think he would do that here.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
54. and it is NOT coming from democratic party leadership.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 10:23 AM
Dec 2016

they are too entrenched in playing "by the rules." that's not going to work.

cpmx2006

(35 posts)
21. I am 74 yrs old..
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:23 PM
Dec 2016

I am 74 yrs old have been a life long democrat live in the raciest Piedmont of NC
about all my friends and relatives have turned rethug, I am tired of fighting the rethugs, i don't see much hope of ever turning our country around with fox news and most radio stations blasting hate for our party 24/7 it is a huge up hill battle, I hope I am wrong but my nerves can't take much more. The worst thing that could have happened to our country took place on Nov 8, god help our souls..

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
29. I grew up in Western NC but have been in the deepest blue of CA for
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:54 PM
Dec 2016

about 40 years. They're different worlds, but NC wasn't always like this. It's dismaying.

Maybe those of us in deep blue areas are more optimistic because we believe people are reachable. How can they not be when none of this makes sense? It like Obama said once, he felt if he could just sit down with someone and have a one-on-one that they'd get it (or something like that.) But, I hear more and more voices like yours, who have quietly and patiently discussed with friends and relatives in red areas but reasoning doesn't penetrate.

Why don't they see how they vote against their own self interest? How can they not see the great disparity? How can they believe a proven lying billionaire who never missed a meal or did anything for anyone but himself will somehow deliver this 'great' America nobody can define - and which of course we already have?

We have the numbers, and they are growing. Just as it's tough for me to see how things won't turn around, albeit with enormous damage to undo, I can understand how - without being 'mongst the blue - it's tough for you to feel anything but pessimistic.

But we must believe in the power of numbers. We have that on our side. There are more of us.

You and I might not live long enough to see our country taken back, but it will happen.

We have work to do.

anniebelle

(899 posts)
48. I will be 72 years old in 8 days.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:28 AM
Dec 2016

I never thought I would live to see my country turn into a Nazi Nation. November 8, 2016 changed my life completely. I can't sleep, can't concentrate, don't even dare turn on any so-called 'news' ~ I'm just sick ~ I feel my soul has been stolen by the ignorant and the greedy. The ignorant and hateful doing the bidding of their masters ~ talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. I have no pity for these who have no decency, no shame, no sense of what's best for all. They are so full of hate and their fake righteous indignation, they are blinded by this onslaught of misinformation, outright lies, their phobias, that they are willing risk our entire country because they are willing to sell their souls ~ for WHAT? I feel such angst every day, I'm truly glad my time is almost up, I don't even want to live through this nightmare of what's coming for the less fortunate among us and where are the arrogant, greedy bastards going to live after they've destroyed our way of life and our planet???

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
50. I, too, have had a physical, sick reaction. I think we need an ECONOMIC BOYCOTT.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:08 AM
Dec 2016

That's the only thing they understand. Put our money where our mouth is.

"Soul stolen by the ignorant and the greedy".

Response to anniebelle (Reply #48)

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
23. Agree
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:30 PM
Dec 2016

I agree that once Trump comes to power, democracy in the US will be indefintely compromised but I do not beleive much can be done. It is one of those things that it will get very dark before it gets better. The history will play itself out.

We had our chance during the campaign. So many people were not enthusiastic about Hillary. She didn't even bother campaignig in Wisconsin - otherwise she would have probably won the state with such thin margin. Same in Michigan - needed early agressive campaigning focusing on jobs and not Trump.

Whether we like it or not but the US constitution has only three requirements for a President - be 35 y.o. or older, naturally born citizen and reside in the US for 14 years. Trump has satisfied those criteria and the public has the right to elect Hitler. He can be impeached, of course - because once in office, there is a whole set of impeacheable requirements.

Honestly, with all the terrible things that Trump has said and done - people still voted for him. And no doubt those voters don't give a damn about Russian interference. Given a chance, they would vote for him again. This is the new normal.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,379 posts)
26. Even Nixon would find Jump, darn dolt offensive. He'd be marching too.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:41 PM
Dec 2016

EPA? OSHA? Nixon-era creations. Maybe with not so much enthusiasm, but they go back to 1970 or so.

I remember Nixon.

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
28. There WILL be a march on Jan 21.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 11:46 PM
Dec 2016

There will be thousands of us there - men and women. But a citizen doesn't need a permit. If people just show up no one can stop you. It's when an organization plans something that you need a permit.

So come to DC! There are lots more of us!

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
32. I may be there on the 21st of January, but---
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:12 AM
Dec 2016

---that's the day AFTER the inauguration. And, the right wing storm troopers are already preparing to "stomp the marshmallows."

I would prefer---if it could be by consensus of a few hundred thousand people or more---December 18th: one week before Christmas and the day before the electors vote. We make the evening news flashing half a peace sign to Trump and then home for the holidays.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
33. Any one who thinks social media
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:14 AM
Dec 2016

can replace a real life mass protest is either delusional or too lazy to get off their ass.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
35. Weekly! DC Protests! Pick a day and have them WEEKLY.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:22 AM
Dec 2016

Pick a day and have Anti-Trump protests WEEKLY. It will build over time.

BLM did that in my city. Every Friday, they protested outside of the Attorney General's office. It worked!

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
56. Great! WEEKLY DC Anti-Trump Protest, will grow, and people will come when they can.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:00 AM
Dec 2016

The idea will blossom and people will plan for their own part in it. "Build it and they will come."

Let's start the ball rolling here. What day and what to call it?

canetoad

(17,149 posts)
36. This may be a rhetorical question
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:24 AM
Dec 2016

But as all you senior citz are willing to put your creaky old bodies on the line, where are the young fit people?

CaptainTruth

(6,583 posts)
38. I'm with you. I keep thinking about the millions who fought & even died defending America...
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:39 AM
Dec 2016

...including several of my relatives. I feel like if I don't stand up & fight for America now I'll be dishonoring their sacrifice, & I can not do that.

I'd love to have a sort of central clearing house where protest actions are coordinated.

We need numbers, millions of voices, too loud to ignore, & visible, physical actions like gatherings & demonstrations.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
39. Keith Olbermann
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:09 AM
Dec 2016

has volunteered reluctantly and has a youtube channel known as the resistance. he's been speaking pretty profoundly to me. maybe we can build on his movement.

i do feel that void. i also joined my local women's democratic group.

gotta do something, must resist, no good german here.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
40. 65 million people laying down in the streets, sea to shining sea. This week. Demand the electors act
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:50 AM
Dec 2016

They cannot elect the beneficiary of Russian interference.

No business as usual. An indication of what will come if the electors fail in their duty and elect Trump.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
42. Yes! People have been saying we must give money. Well,
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:01 AM
Dec 2016

I don't have a lot of money to give. I need to know where any money I give will do any good. How do we figure this out?

democrank

(11,092 posts)
43. Keep posting, Atticus.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:45 AM
Dec 2016

We need to brainstorm and come up with a plan. I know it can be done because we've been there before.....Civil Rights movement, Women's Movement, marching against the war in Vietnam, the war in Iraq, marching for Gay Rights, Standing Rock.

We can:

Set up a rapid response system here on DU
Contact members of Congress
Compile a media contact list
Write letters to editors
Organize protests and marches
Buy bumper stickers
Put signs in our yards and windows
Start demanding more action from our leaders
Boycott
Strike
Volunteer



Every now and then someone here posts that we are the change we're waiting for. We are. I remember the 60s well, where people....lots of them....brought about changes without computers or cell phones. Where there's a will, there's a way.




Aimee in OKC

(158 posts)
76. ...rapid response system at DU
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:29 PM
Dec 2016

In case DU gets hacked again, at the same time set up a phone calling-tree as back-up, with e-mails perhaps as well and not forgetting Twitter and Facebook.

Silver Gaia

(4,542 posts)
45. Atticus, I hear you. I am 63. I am with you in your frustration. I also remember what we did
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:54 AM
Dec 2016

and how we did it in the 60s and early 70s. We didn't always go by "the rules" because all that did was keep us in "our place." Sometimes, we had to just sidestep stupid rules and go for what we knew needed to be done.

Social media is great for organizing, but making posts and writing letters is nothing compared to the impact of thousands of people in the streets. Dammit, I want to DO something! Waiting until the 21st is just too late. By then, it's OVER. It's done. We need to be out there NOW.

And you are right. We need a LEADER. Who will do this? Who can do this? No one's going to listen to you or me... we might as well shout into the wind. We need someone to step forward who can shout from the rooftops so people will hear us. I have been carrying this frustration around in my heart for several weeks now, and am about to just EXPLODE.

I'm happy to step forward, but I need someone to point the way, a way for ALL of us to come together. Give me a rallying point! Without that, we are just flailing around. We need someone to lead us...

stollen

(419 posts)
46. I'm not frustrated. I'm outraged!
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 05:58 AM
Dec 2016

If this congressional attack on our Constitution doesn't make you angry, nothing will.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
47. I will be 60 in several days...
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 07:48 AM
Dec 2016

...and I realize my "golden years" will be spent working and fighting.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
51. Im going to Washington to protest.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:45 AM
Dec 2016

I live 2 hrs away. I can go every week. I am retiring 12/16. I was going to keep working but Trump got elected & I want to free up my time because we're going to need all hands on deck. I don't belong to any protest groups although I am active in my local dem party but they are still talking about somehow trump won't be president without making any effort to stop him. I was very active in the 60's I know how to do this.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,713 posts)
52. He is not president yet...last ditch effort...
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:53 AM
Dec 2016
http://asktheelectors.org/

Put your voice in their face. It may be a futile last ditch effort but what does it cost?
At very least we tried. I have shared this in as many places as I could.

Then sign the petition almost five million people already have.

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19-4a78160a-023c-4ff0-9069-53cee2a095a8

Once again a noble try, but it may work.

I have heard all the arguments party loyalty, will never happen, blah, blah, and on and on.
Com'on less than ten minutes out of our lives. Maybe, just maybe.....

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
53. This is NOT a hyperbolic reply...but there is no answer short of secession or war.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:55 AM
Dec 2016

We are on the precipice of the second Civil War, and the longer we dilly-dally and deny that reality, the greater the military disadvantage we will be in when the military must choose sides and the weapons must be claimed.

The most powerful military in the world, and the most destructive arsenal ever assembled is going to be trained on dissenters in this country unless a civilian-led coalition is able to convince the military to back them against the chain of command.

Once Trump takes the oath of office it is a much bleaker, much tougher climb. Now for the truly terrifying....think back to the campaign and the musing of Trump on why nukes can't be used. Do you KNOW that he would never unleash them on say California or Washington?

Mark my words, if Donald J Trump is allowed to ascend to the Presidency we will lose much, much more than an election.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
61. Hear, hear!!
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:02 PM
Dec 2016

How many generals is he surrounding himself with? This will certainly enable a fluid transition to martial law. We are beyond protests, petitions and complaining. They don't give a f*** and are more than happy to put a bullet between our leftist-communist-socialist-libtard-atheist-feminist-gay loving eyes.

Hyperbole?! Ha. Only by those who think our enemies are reasonable.

Excellent post Moostache.

Jacob Boehme

(789 posts)
58. Some may find this declaration inspiring for our current events.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 12:51 PM
Dec 2016

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/


lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
59. No, I'm not new. I'm nightscanner repackaged, thanx, so pls don't "welcome me to DU."
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 01:29 PM
Dec 2016

The most frustrating part of all you said is attempting to convince the RW's programmed zombies to shut off frickin' FOX noise and listen to the real facts. They blast back the false equivalency that their confabulations are just as valid as our facts because the FOX said so with slick graphics and stuffed suits to lend the veneer of validity.
This said only having watched enough FOX years ago attempting to care for my now posthumous father, who passed on laden with every reprehensible form of bigotry that has now carried a ruthless dictator to power over our nation.
But I saw enough. Enough to see the "don't believe anyone else, we tell you the truth" meme. Enough to watch a media empire lay waste to magnanimous amounts of factual information from every well accredited institution of higher learning in the whole world with "It's all left wing conspiracy" crap.
Yes I've had enough. And I'd love to join the masses in protest. But reality sets in. I'm gay. I was denied all inheritance. I recycle paper cups for as many uses as I can before tossing them. I barely make my car and rent payments and it's been that way for this 57 year old since Ray Gun. I've spent months at a stretch unemployed after the republicans lay waste to our economic base while fat cats buy new islands.
I could no more afford a ticket to a Washington protest nor the time from work lest my fragile barely-above-homeless raft sinks.
And I believe that is by design.

woodchuck mom

(16 posts)
70. by design, indeed
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 04:23 PM
Dec 2016

Absolutely by design. The left has been deliberately hollowed out and strategically impoverished. Keep 'em desperate and keep 'em down. These are the greediest, most amoral rat bastards on the planet. A foreign power, a declared enemy for more than half a century, interferes with the American election for the purpose of electing Trump. His campaign was in contact with the Russian s multiple times, per the Russians themselves. And somehow we're supposed to just sit down and STFU?

And the brainwashed dupes gloat over their "victory" while enabling treason. The founders whirl in their graves.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
60. One thing I am sure of is that if it is going to hit the fan, sooner is better than later.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:02 PM
Dec 2016

We can't allow him to become entrenched with a sense of legitimacy not to mention the US military at his command.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
63. D.C. or state capitols?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:42 PM
Dec 2016

The Electors vote in the state capitols, so would red state capitols be a better place to protest? On the other hand, a very large one in D.C. could cause quite a ruckus that would be all over the news.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
64. DC, for sure.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016

IF protests in state capitols got ANY media attention, it would be local and squeezed in after the farm report and just before a promo for Duck Dynasty.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
67. Good points. I am in.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 03:34 PM
Dec 2016

I probably lack the leadership and networking skills to organize such a thing, but if someone else does, I'm there. Preferably before the Electors vote.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
66. "we will live to be outcasts in our own land". I'm not American but...
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 03:32 PM
Dec 2016

I wonder if that might not have already been the case for some time. Obama may have been a bright light set against the darkness that has been American politics of the past decade or more. But if we are to talk about true progressive left wing popular support I kind of fear that ship may have sailed a long time ago. Since at least Reagan both parties have been ratcheted progressively to the right so that by the time Bill Clinton took office much of his politics looks like republican politics of decades past. Corporations run both parties.

I would like to be proven wrong but I just don't feel there is the heart left in enough Americans for the kind of popular demonstration you mention. I kind of feel that a lot of that has been burned out of them by decades of disillusionment. But please prove me wrong!!!

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
79. I'll be there, all 64 years of me with a protest background!
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:53 PM
Dec 2016

Me and some friends shut down our high school in 1971................

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