WH- Petition - Election Do-Over!

[Equinox Moon]

Link: Petition SCOTUS to Invalidate Election Results Of 2016 - Order A New Election

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/scotus-invalidate-election-results-2016-order-new-election

[Equinox Moon]

1. I signed it!

[brooklynite]

26. How Exciting! What a waste of time!

Petitioning the President for something the President has no authority to do!

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. +1. Obama has been trashed here throughout his 8 years, and now he's supposed to save us all?

And who pays for a new national election? The states? And if Congress, who controls the purse strings, has to release money for a new election....well, we know that ain't EVER going to happen. We now have to live with the fact that the Russians & the BOB'ers were successful in making our party so toxic that it's going to take several election cycles to rebuild. What we need to do now is make sure our representatives in Congress know that we want them to resist, at every opportunity, just as the Republicans did.

[WillowTree]

2. What provision in the Constitution allows for a "do-over"?

[Equinox Moon]

3. Austria did it, so can we...

https://www.rt.com/news/349106-austria-president-election-cancelled/

[WillowTree]

4. Bully for Austria! What provision in OUR Constitution allows for a "do-over"?

[Equinox Moon]

5. I don't know, but we need to have congress and the supreme court enact it

[WillowTree]

6. That would require a Constitutional amendment

The USSC wouldn't be involved. And it couldn't be done retroactively and it would certainly take years to get it through Congress and then through the various states for it to be ratified. So, even if it did become part of the Constitution, it wouldn't have anything to do with the election just held.

[Equinox Moon]

9. I have faith there are smart people that know more about this than I do

When wrong has been done to this country, we must make it right.

[WillowTree]

12. There undoubtedly are. And they will all tell you that there can be no "do-over".......

.......no matter how much you want one.

[jberryhill]

27. Your faith that there are people who know more is well placed

There is no provision for an election "do over" and the Supreme Court cannot order one.

[dems_rightnow]

36. Good God, I'd hope so.

A petition. OMG

[Yo_Mama]

8. On the basis that there was significant violation of the election law.

There was a complaint, and an investigation, and the court found that the election law was invalidated. They reran the election and got the same result with a wider margin.

There has not been any proof or even any actual evidence advanced to show the same in the US. States, not the federal government, are responsible for supervising elections.

There is no legal basis for such an appeal.

[Takket]

7. we don't need a do over, we just need the electoral college to do its job

instead of just being a ceremonial vote who's continued existence is only tolerated because it allows the GOP minority to rule.

[Equinox Moon]

11. Then it gets bumped to congress to elect the President

pretty sure they will elect a republican.

[Qutzupalotl]

17. That would still be preferable to a Russian puppet. n/t

[longship]

10. There are no fucking US presidential election do overs!

A candidate with a minority of the electoral votes loses. PERIOD!

There are no Mulligans in presidential elections here. None whatsoever.

Sign the petition or not. It won't make a fucking bit of difference because there are no laws under our Constitution to allow for the loser calling for a redo.

[WillowTree]

13. And the losers don't get participation tropies, either.

[Equinox Moon]

14. And, democracy is dying.

For now, we still get to take actions even when people feel they know the outcome.

[longship]

15. That may be, but this petition is STUPID! nt

[WillowTree]

16. Among the many lessons to be learned from this latest election and the aftermath.......

.......is that our schools have to do a much, much better job of teaching Civics because there are way too many people who have no idea what our Constitution does and does not allow for and how our government actually works.

Hint: You can't just make it up as you go.

[marybourg]

21. Do schools teach Civics at all

any more? I had heard "not".

[WillowTree]

23. Judging by some of the things I've seen posted here and elsewhere lately.......

.......I wouldn't be surprised to find you're right about that. Scary.

[jberryhill]

30. Agree

It's sad.

[zippythepinhead]

38. doesn't scare me

even a wiiddle bit

[Silent3]

18. I don't think this has much of a chance either, but...

...there is the issue that "the Constitution is not a suicide pact".

If the only problem here were that the Electoral College disagrees with the popular vote, I'd agree there's no grounds for a "do over". But when a foreign power is discovered to have been manipulating our elections, I think that's quite another matter. It might well count as "suicide" to allow that to stand.

Though I hold out hope that our system is sound and will suffer mostly (only mostly) reversible damage that can be fixed in the next election, I worry that there's a higher than acceptable probability (even 10% would count) that there either won't be a next election anytime soon, or only the mockery of an electoral process.

The Electoral College is supposed to be a safeguard against something like this, but the framers of the Constitution didn't anticipate deep partisanship overriding patriotic duty to protect the country from the likes of Trump and Putin.

[longship]

19. There are no other matters here.

There is no law under our constitution that allows any redos! No matter what the circumstances. Above all, we have to abide by the law as it stands now.

We very well may be soon plunged into a constitutional crisis. That is never a good thing. I've lived through one such event in my life -- the Saturday Night Massacre -- and such things are not something one wishes for or desires.

One thing for sure here. Drumpf is the president-elect. God help us all.

[Silent3]

22. I think we've already got a constitional crisis. How we respond is the issue.

I don't know, however, if the cure would be worse than the disease, but in this case, it's hard to imagine it being worse, even if there were a lot of upheaval and unrest caused by forcing an extraordinary event such as an electoral do-over or the intervention of the courts (for which there is precedent) to declare the winner of an election.

[longship]

25. Read my lips: THERE ARE NO FUCKING ELECTION DO OVERS!!!

So stop ringing that cockamaimie, ignorant bell.

NO DO OVERS! PERIOD!

There is no law in US code that provides for such a thing.

So just put that out of your mind.

What we are left with is a real clusterfuck. There is little hope that anybody but Drumpf will get the necessary electoral votes, even considering the few faithless electors who have come out publicly. And if the election goes to the House of Representatives, does anybody rationally believe that they will select a Democratic president?

So we are left with impeachment by the House and trial in the Senate. Good luck to us with that.

We will likely be stuck with Drumpf for the next four years, if we all live through it all.

[Retrograde]

20. It's not like nobody knew that Trump was unsuited for the office

(or any other office, for that matter). If the facts that all except 3 rather obscure newspapers - one owned by Sheldon Adelson - endorsed Clinton, and that Clinton brought up Trump's issues during the debates didn't sway Trump voters what would?

I am hoping the electoral college will do something, and barring that, that there will be an early impeachment.

[mopinko]

24. we need a real and complete audit. here's a clue

start by recounting those surprising numbers in rural counties. do the little podunk towns where the drumph family snake oil show rolled through first.
on the teevee, they wondered why he was fishing for votes in such little towns. but i think he was fishing for marks and accomplices.
if there is any statistical variation between towns they rolled through and similar ones he didnt, full fucking recount of every drumph county in america.

[LittleBlue]

28. This is a shitty thing to do to Obama

By getting these signatures, the Obama admin now has to come out and defend Trump. They will because they know the constitution doesn't provide for "do-overs"

[brooklynite]

29. Slacktivism (noun):

actions performed via the Internet in support of a political or social cause but regarded as requiring little time or involvement, e.g., signing an online petition or joining a campaign group on a social media website.

[progressoid]

31. Wishful thinking won't work.

[MadDAsHell]

32. How about we don't assume our candidate will win in a "bloodbath"...

as I saw predicted here on DU in early November, and instead DO OUR FUCKING JOBS in getting voters out for our Party?

Then the "please let me have a do-over" becomes unnecessary.

[RegexReader]

35. or, what about the candidate actually going to a state to campaign

instead of staying either in the TMZ around Hollywood or on Martha's Vineyard for the month of August.
Wisconsin was lost because there was zero rallies there. How many times did tRump show up?
Hard to keep a ground game going when the state is ignored and taken for granted.

Now we're literally shaken at having tRump as POTUS and out begging judges to follow a European example of overturning election results. And tRump's machiavellian move of appointing generals early on seals the deal on this junta.

SO tempted to go get another case of beer and some smoke to forget all this crap. 4 years of the Cheeto Benito. Welcome to hell.

[triron]

34. signed

[zippythepinhead]

37. I signed too

I bow to no tyrants!