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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGlenn Carle, retired CIA officer, says Trump is on a collision path with the CIA.
I hope they take him down.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/11/intelligence-agencies-cia-donald-trump-russia
There is not just smoke here. There is a blazing 10-alarm fire, the sirens are wailing, the Russians provided the lighter fluid, and Trump is standing half-burnt and holding a match, said Glenn Carle, a retired CIA officer and interrogator.
SNIP
Carle, the retired CIA officer, said Trumps temperament had played into Russias hands and put the president-elect on a collision course with the CIA.
He said: Look, in my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself.
He is about the juiciest intelligence target an intelligence office could imagine. He groans with vulnerabilities. He will only work with individuals or entities that agree with him and build him up, and he is a shockingly easy intelligence target to manipulate.
Were Trump an intelligence officer himself, Carle said, he would be removed and possibly charged with having accepted the clandestine support of a hostile power to the harm of the United States.
MANative
(4,112 posts)TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)Trump has no idea what is coming.
Mr. Evil
(2,841 posts)'angry lone nuts' out there. This is definitely one time it would be justified.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)Messing with the CIA in the 50s/60s was terminal and they've had a lot of time since then to learn far better ways than the "Lone Gunman" to deal with people like Trump.
bdamomma
(63,845 posts)I wouldn't mess with the CIA.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,386 posts)Cheeto Fucktrumpet better watch his six. 24/7.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)I know CIA. You got it right.
canetoad
(17,154 posts)It's head-on, at 150 kmh.
Nay
(12,051 posts)about how fucking scared they are of Trump. Your country hangs in the balance, guys and gals, and if you need to throw yourselves on the hand grenade, you have to do it. I don't want to hear 10 years from now that gee, you could have done this or that, but you would have lost your retirement bennies.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)The CIA is exceptionally good at what it does; if there's some shit to be dug up on you, they WILL find it and they'll bring it to light. Donald Trump is correct to be quaking in his boots.
Nay
(12,051 posts)of people who are truly patriotic. But my original comment was made because we really need them to stand up and do what's right, since in the past few years we've been treated to a bunch of cowardly govt officials who are scared of their own shadows. Or complicit.
I am waiting anxiously for the CIA to use its vast powers to save us and, frankly, itself.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)http://harpers.org/blog/2011/07/unredacting-the-interrogator/
Probably really "ex".
CousinIT
(9,241 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)That's why we should never, ever believe what he says. As a narcissist, he lacks empathy, has a grandiose idea of who he is and what he can achieve, demands blind obedience, requires excessive admiration. will exploit others, and feels he is entitled to break the rules. He has the characteristics of a cult leader.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Drive him ape shit right off the bat. Of course I suppose he could shut down the agency. He's so smart, he has the best words, after all. Abracadabra has to be among them, dontcha think?
napi21
(45,806 posts)I have my beer in the 'fridge, and snacks are ready. I really look forward to a battle of witts between an experienced group of professionals and an egomaniac who THINKS he's better than they are.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)and the Intelligence community. IF you are still hoping for a bailout by the Electoral College, that option is such a long shot, I'm not considering it at all.
napi21
(45,806 posts)intelligence community.
lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)Fingers crossed there are some very patriotic people in the right places to file and broadcast seroius charges.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)ffr
(22,669 posts)You're going to see those stupid red hats in the bin heaps of history.
ffr
(22,669 posts)ffr
(22,669 posts)Will he accept the best insights of our agencies, or punish them for daring to contradict his assumptions? - Adam Schiff, the leading Democrat on the House intelligence committee
From report.
Who doubts that will happen?
Quixote1818
(28,930 posts)It seems to have given him a sense that he can bully even the CIA and they will back down. I am hopeful he may be finally meeting an entity that is more powerful than he is. He seems like the type of person who would truly burn the house down if he gets into a corner so the CIA may have their hands full, but I would not want to get on their bad side. He better be careful suggesting they are incompetent because if there is anything on him that is illegal, they will find it and take him down hard.
Mustellus
(328 posts).. working against Russian efforts to penetrate the United States.
I don't expect that their loyalties will be so easily whipsawed, either.
ananda
(28,859 posts)The FBI is definitely in the Russian's corner now.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)The Washington people were not. And I wonder how many in the New York office are starting to regret their actions.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Otherwise this is going to be ugly.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)Putting their trust in the CIA to determine what happened and who did what?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)on WMD's -- it was Bush/Cheney who distorted the info they were given.
But what are our options at this point, if you don't trust the CIA?
I guess there's always the KGB . . .
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Of manipulating governments around the world, conducting clandestine operations off the books, or operating in a way that their own government has forbidden to do. Let me ask it this way, if this were about Clinton instead of trump, how confident would you be that they were acting in the best interests of the American people rather than in their own best interests?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)-- so it's hard to imagine them going against the Rethug unless he were as corrupt and evil as we know DT is.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Wasn't in their own personal interests (well, in the Agency's own interests), and that could easily mean pushing for a candidate less ideologically aligned with them. For example, which course of action gives the CIA more money and power, continuing clandestine Ops in Syria, or dropping a nuke on the region.
no_hypocrisy
(46,094 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Another NRA, anti-abortion, hawkish, climate change denier.
Sigh.
LisaM
(27,808 posts)Aren't they practically in an economic death spiral?
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Bet on it.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)You would think Putin would've told him to not piss off the spooks.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)and Trump is standing half-burnt and holding a match
Is he saying that the Con had direct contact with those that helped on the election?
Cha
(297,196 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/11/intelligence-agencies-cia-donald-trump-russia
Mahalo, pnwmom
lame54
(35,287 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,895 posts)IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)It didn't go so well.
flying-skeleton
(696 posts)Once Trump is sworn in, he'll just replace the CIA Director and any underlings and THAT will be THAT and this whole thing will just be swept under the rug and deleted from all records !!