This is a thousand times worse than 2000.

[Drunken Irishman]

And 2000 was utterly depressing in its own right. I've had a pit in my stomach since election night. I don't even know what to do anymore. I've never felt so lost and worried about the future of my country.

As much as 2000 left me reeling, 2016 is that and more. Maybe it's because, in 2000, we didn't know how bad it would get ... and now we do ... and as bad as Bush was, as bad as his administration was, Trump's seems to be worse in every facet - and he's buddies with our global adversary.

This not only repulses me, the uptick in racism and bigotry as well as the literal coup by a foreign government, but it scares me.

I'm terrified.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Trump and his minions seem to be *trying* to be as bad as possible.

Even Bush didn't go out of his way to fuck things up intentionally.

[RKP5637]

10. Trump, is totally fucking things up and he's not even in office yet! As I recall, Bush

waited.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Scary times, for sure!

[BeyondGeography]

2. No and yes

Gore really won that election, so that result was harder for me to take. But while I had major fears about Bush, they pale in comparison to what this asshole is capable of.

[jaysunb]

5. We knew who Bush and his family were...even Cheney.

This mess is something entirely different.

[lunamagica]

13. Hillary won this election too

[BeyondGeography]

15. Yeah

Ok

[sheshe2]

26. Correct

[still_one]

3. It sure is Irish. Just looking at who is on his team, the world can be put into real peril

because of this. It really is quite disturbing

[Cha]

17. drumpfuck picks everyone who hates the agency they're

chosen for.

Like SNL last night.. had a skit that Walter White of Breaking Bad was picked for head of DEA.. it was funny but that's because it was truish.

Kate McMillan was perfect as con-way.

Gawd, why isn't SNL the news and we get it every night.. not just on Saturday Night!!!!!

It makes more sense than cnn, msnbc.. and all the creeps who pretend to bring us the news.. like chucky toad and the rest!!

Head of DEA.. Walter White! Perfect in gd trump Orwellian world.

I studiously miss Conway's act on tv but I bet Kate does her vacuousness perfectly

BanesBain http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8352470

[still_one]

19. Thanks Cha

[janx]

41. Somebody told me about this,

but I had not seen it! Thank you Cha!

[Fast Walker 52]

4. you are not alone-- read this:

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/808045818024497157

[susanna]

29. Thank you, Fast Walker 52. Many things to ponder there... n/t

[LisaM]

6. The 2000 selection caused this.

The Bush SCOTUS picks led directly to the Voting Rights Act being demolished. Voter suppression has gone on apace ever since.

[Tanuki]

14. Good point, and also Citizens United. eom

[uponit7771]

28. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. So true.

[snooper2]

38. No, go back farther- If Gary Hart had won in 88' we never have GHWB-

GWB never becomes Governor of Texas, just a loser son of a losing presidential candidate-

Fuck, 9/11 might not even have happened if you take it far enough-

[TheFrenchRazor]

47. yep, and if this succeeds, we will literally never have another fair election in this country. nt

[jimlup]

7. Yes I have much the same feeling

real trouble ahead unless we are able to divert this orange nightmare from becoming PROTUS

[progressoid]

8. Yup.

And it's not just the Orange Ham that is a problem. The House and Senate are just as fucked up.

[dhill926]

9. my biggest fear....

is his proximity to the button. we can undo the rest of the shit he's gonna pull....but not if he presses the button....yep, stomach is a goddamn mess...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

33. Mine too... 2016 was such a cluster-fuck... hard to sleep these days.

[CousinIT]

11. They intend to destroy everything: gov't, financial markets, the environment, our lives

Because THEY will not be affected by any of it.

[Snarkoleptic]

12. Don't feel lost/worried...get active! There is a power vacuum in the party that we all need to fill.

Our local Democratic Party meeting attendance has swelled eight-fold. People are engaged and motivated.
Mrs. Snark is in the running to replace the Village Board Member who was elected to the County Board.
I am in the running for Precinct Committee chair.
We've both committed to fund-raise, door knock, phone bank, etc.

[jalan48]

16. +1

[oberliner]

18. In 2000, Bush made Ashcroft Atty Gen, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz as Sec and Dep Sec of Defense

To say nothing of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.

[elmac]

20. I wasn't that depressed about 2000

sure, I was disappointed, a little pissed but at that time there was no ACA, no wars, no real threat to safety nets. There wasn't that feeling of pending doom like now, the feeling that you can lose everything you worked for all your life, that feeling that your future, your life is in the hands of greedy, rich, sociopathic criminal bastards.

[agalisgv]

21. + 2.5 million

[mexit]

22. My new screenname, mexit

is a play on Brexit.

My wife and I are thinking of moving to Mexico

[uppityperson]

30. Hi, who were you before? I've seen several new accounts for older duers who did name change

[mexit]

42. Ashling

I was thinking of posting to see if anyone had heard from Ashling lately, just to see if anyone would reply.

Kind of like showing up incognito at your funeral to see what people say about you ... in case anyone shows up LOL

[uppityperson]

43. huh,

That's quite the account to trade off on. Good name and things are really weird right now, scary.

[mexit]

45. Had password problems

with some of my accounts. It was just easier to create a new account

[moondust]

23. It's troubling that

brain-dead U.S. voters have effectively rewarded the GOP for 6-8 years of juvenile obstructionism.

[Hekate]

24. Plus about 3 million

[sheshe2]

25. I am terrified too, Irish.

Hug

[uponit7771]

27. Benedict Donald's admin is looking to be to the right of GWB's..... and Putin

[MFM008]

34. I dread every day

That the news infers maggot lived through the night.

[JNelson6563]

35. I am terrified for many in the world.

If this lunatic gets in the WH much misery will ensue, no doubt. I have not been crying or had a pit in my stomach though. I do not look at newspapers or intake news though because it is all so sickening.

I withdraw. My current situation allows it and so I do it. Working 10 pm to 6 am doing baker duty then 7 am to 11 am for another company, making pasta--averaging 70+ hrs a week. I bank as much as I can. I will buy a house (something I have really wanted to do since my divorce 8 years ago) in a small town here in MI. It'll be my retirement home and it will occupy my time off (the one I currently consider needs much cosmetic work).

I really see no other way for myself. I will contribute to the efforts financially but other than that, no, too busy focusing on establishing *some* security in a volatile world. I cannot afford the sucking of my energy into a vortex of frustration by closely following the horrors about to befall us. I rode that roller-coaster during the Bush years and it was hard. In that time I had a different life in a different world and could spare the time and energy. Now I need to survive and finish my climb out of the "barely subsisting" existence and, I daresay, I think the timing is fortunate.

As always, good to see you DI. We will make it through somehow.

Julie

[Vinca]

36. I never thought I'd look back on Dubya as the good old days.

[Lifelong Protester]

37. I wish I wasn't with you, but I am

Why is it the Repubs always seem to be out to prove it could be worse?

[logosoco]

39. That is about the exact text conversation i had with my son on the morning of

11/09!

My kids are young adults now, and they keep an eye on politics, not to the extent i do, but they pay attention and try to learn. I feel so bad now for showing them this. I wish they could just be "ignorant" of things, like so many citizens are now. Maybe it would hurt less.
But, it is the world they have grown up to be in...

I never dreamed that in my life time I would see anyone worse than bu$h and his cronies! it is hard to watch, but I can't turn away!

I cry for the earth and more so with each of the orange one's cabinet picks.

[dumbcat]

40. "... literal coup by a foreign government ..."

Really? A literal coup? Do you understand what "literal" means? Or "coup"?

Definition of literal
1
a : according with the letter of the scriptures
b : adhering to fact or to the ordinary construction or primary meaning of a term or expression : actual <liberty in the literal sense is impossible — B. N. Cardozo>
c : free from exaggeration or embellishment <the literal truth>


coups d'état or coups d'etat play -ˈtä(z), -ˌtä(z)
: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group

[Drunken Irishman]

46. Did you even read the definition you posted it?

a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics; especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group .

What a silly post.

A coup isn't always violent.

[dumbcat]

48. I think you need to pay more attention

to where the "or" is in a definition. Violent is an adjective modifying both the nouns "overthrow" or "alteration". The definition of violent is "use of force."

But, call it what you wish. I'll just read your future uses of the term "literal" with a grain of salt, and think "virtual".

[Drunken Irishman]

50. lol you're not serious, right?

You're pulling my leg, no - or just trolling?

Stop it. Be serious for a second.

From dictionary.com:

noun, plural coups d'état [koo dey-tahz; French koo dey-ta] (Show IPA)
1.
a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force.

I guess you can debate whether this was legally done, since an actual election was held. But nothing there about it being violent.

I accept your apology.

[dumbcat]

55. Not if you're not

So you will agree it wasn't done by force, and it's debatable as to whether it was done illegally (since there was an election), then all that's left in your definition is " a sudden and decisive action in politics". By your way of thinking any sudden or decisive action in politics is a literal coup.

Most real dictionary definitions of a coup include violence or use of force.

But you may have the last word (literally)! Bye.

[Drunken Irishman]

56. There is certainly evidence to be made that Russia acted illegally.

I take your last point as proof you know, deep down, I'm right and just don't want to admit it. I'll also take that as your apology. Thank you.

[dumbcat]

57. " ... evidence to be made ..."

iNTERESTING TURN OF PHRASE.

[Drunken Irishman]

59. I see you can't even keep your word.

Cute.

Do you think Russia hacked the U.S.? If so, do you think there's any legal way they could have?

I rest my case. Again, I accept your apology.

[Generator]

44. No

It's fucking million billion zillion times worse. And unchecked presidential powers brought to us by Bush AND Obama. I screamed about that shit for years on here and then I finally left. Democrats have not fought back in the past and now here we are. Massive strike is what they need to be saying instead I have them calling me for money. Like we can win elections with treason by FBI and GOP. Please. We have no leadership and I will blame Obama if he hands the keys to this monster.

[wildeyed]

49. It's surreal.

I am not even upset anymore. I figure I might as well have fun for a bit before out Russian overlords arrive or we get nuked off the face of the planet due to some foreign policy blunder or oversight.

[mnhtnbb]

51. You are not alone in feeling terrified.

Me, too.

[CountAllVotes]

52. yep, 3,000+ died

But not an entire globe.

[BzaDem]

53. No, it isn't.

Yes, HRC lost, and yes, Russia's involvement is infuriating. But there is no credible doubt as to who got the most votes in any state. More people went to the polls to vote for Trump in states that add up to more than 270 votes.

In 2000, there was considerable doubt as to who won, and the Supreme Court prevented the resolution of that doubt. (Furthermore, it turns out Gore would have won if overvotes were looked at.)

[nancy1942]

54. I know exactly how you feel.

I can hardly bear the pain of it all. I am so terrified and depressed; not to mention furious with all the imbeciles who actually voted for this nightmare. I wish we could all just wake up. I can't even function anymore.

[CountAllVotes]

58. Welcome to the Democratic Underground nancy1942

nancy1942! Welcome to the Democratic Underground!

I rather think many of us are exactly where you are right now!

Angry and frightened which is not at all good!

[bdamomma]

61. it's not easy

but being angry is good but they want us to be afraid, we are being manipulated thus easier to control, but I don't think it will work if people get angrier we will react.

[workinclasszero]

60. Trump/Putin and republican hubris is going to destroy this country

A year or less from when Shitler takes over, this economy will be in free fall and we will be fighting a hot war in Iran? Taiwan against China? Both?

Will they go nuke? Who knows but Shitler can't wait to use those lovely end of the world weapons, he made that clear already.