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Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:28 PM

Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing it might vanish under Trump

Alarmed that decades of crucial climate measurements could vanish under a hostile Trump administration, scientists have begun a feverish attempt to copy reams of government data onto independent servers in hopes of safeguarding it from any political interference.

The efforts include a “guerrilla archiving event” in Toronto where experts will copy irreplaceable public data, meetings at the University of Pennsylvania focused on how to download as much federal data as possible in the coming weeks, and a collaboration of scientists and database experts who are compiling an online site to harbor scientific information.

“Something that seemed a little paranoid to me before all of a sudden seems potentially realistic, or at least something you’d want to hedge against,” said Nick Santos, an environmental researcher at the University of California at Davis, who over the weekend began copying government climate data onto a nongovernment server, where it will remain available to the public. “Doing this can only be a good thing. Hopefully they leave everything in place. But if not, we’re planning for that.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/13/scientists-are-frantically-copying-u-s-climate-data-fearing-it-might-vanish-under-trump/?postshare=3751481645413207&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.1c4ceeb9da3b


I hadn't considered that data might be destroyed, but I suppose it is a possibility. I have a feeling we're going back to the dark ages.

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Reply Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing it might vanish under Trump (Original post)
Arkansas Granny Dec 2016 OP
spanone Dec 2016 #1
niyad Dec 2016 #2
Hortensis Dec 2016 #8
niyad Dec 2016 #9
suffragette Dec 2016 #22
mopinko Dec 2016 #3
niyad Dec 2016 #6
Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #21
jabbothedog Dec 2016 #23
Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #24
mopinko Dec 2016 #26
Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #4
niyad Dec 2016 #7
Calculating Dec 2016 #10
eppur_se_muova Dec 2016 #5
Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #15
FarCenter Dec 2016 #11
Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #12
Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #13
dawnie51 Dec 2016 #14
LanternWaste Dec 2016 #16
Martin Eden Dec 2016 #17
Hekate Dec 2016 #18
lame54 Dec 2016 #19
bdamomma Dec 2016 #20
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #25
moondust Dec 2016 #27

Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:29 PM

1. an enemy of the state.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:46 PM

2. what a commentary on the greatest, bestest, most wonderfulest nation in the whole world.

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Response to niyad (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:00 PM

8. Inspiring, heroic--unbelievable that it might be necessary

here in the U.S. I was just blown away reading this this morning. I am just so grateful to these people for not being naive when the whole world really needed them to be wise.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:06 PM

9. thank you--"heroic" is indeed the word.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:49 PM

22. "...not being naive when the whole world really needed them to be wise."

Very well said.

I am grateful, too.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:48 PM

3. put in a few back doors where you can, too, guys.

it will be interesting to track any changes or edits, to see what they use and what they ignore.

this is war, people. an information war.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:58 PM

6. a most excellent idea!!

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Response to mopinko (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:46 PM

21. Great. They have InfoWars. How, pray tell, is this accomplished?

Russians interfered with our election.

They: "It happened on Obama's watch."

Climate change is real.

They: "No it's not."

Information is only as good as those hearing the information are able to think. Dark days ahead. Sorry, a bit gloomy today.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:53 PM

23. Why? Trump voters don't give a damn about climate change,

 

so why would Trump? If the average Trump voter had to choose between his $25/hour carbon-producing job and a poverty-stricken coastal community, what do you think they would pick? If was even "maybe" lose his job to reduce climate change, the job wins. Most voters just don't care about the environment, especially someone else's environment, when there's even the possibility it will affect their wallet.

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Response to jabbothedog (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:05 PM

24. Indeed.

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Response to jabbothedog (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:33 PM

26. so we should just get happy and get over it?

we need evidence. we need to know what they are doing and what affect it is having.
they will just stop capturing a lot of data. but some is needed by business, so it will stay up. whether that data is reported honestly is of utmost importance.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:48 PM

4. Omigod. Fahrenheit 451!

The future is here! We are so fooked!

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:58 PM

7. I was just thinking about that book and movie the other day.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:17 PM

10. We've evolved into a post truth society.

Where fake news about Hillary being a satanist/running a pedophile ring is openly spread around the internet, and where basic scientific truths such as climate change will get you into trouble with a large amount of society.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:52 PM

5. Don't forget Harper's (right-wing PM) attack on Canadian science ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/112759431

There's no question right-wingers will always try to destroy evidence of inconvenient facts, given the chance.

For a more worrisome precedent, consider that Chinese emperors, Egyptian pharaohs, and probably quite a few others, attempted to destroy all records of previous rulers, so that history would begin with their reign. Scholars who resisted the destruction of their libraries were put to the sword. Many ancient records survive only because dedicated monks hid copies of their most valuable works and refused to reveal their whereabouts even on pain of death.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:06 PM

15. Not to mention ISIS destroying burning libraries and historical sites.

Ashcroft and the naked statues now seems like a bad joke in comparison.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:25 PM

11. Just copying isn't enough -- they need to use blockchain to secure the copies against modification

 

And to allow independent proof that the copy is unaltered and valid.

Otherwise, uncurated copies are essentially useless.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:57 PM

12. This wasn't done before?

 

I doubt it.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:03 PM

13. Wait till they get around to the Public Libraries and the Schools: Fahrenheit 451 redux.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:04 PM

14. This is the stuff.....

we heard about when governments fell, conquered places, during war, overseas. Never here, in this magical country of ours. I have lived to see the unthinkable. And I fear for my grandchildren.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:07 PM

16. My guess is Trump will bring government-sponsored Lysenkoism back into high fashion.

My guess is Trump will bring government-sponsored Lysenkoism back into high fashion.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:08 PM

17. Trumpsters will want to flush a lot of things down the Memory Hole

We are heading into a potential Orwellian nightmare.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:16 PM

18. KnR for the heroes

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:36 PM

19. They can memorize it...

Like in Fahrenheit 451

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 02:43 PM

20. this is a sick ass man

Trump says ‘nobody really knows’ if climate change is real]

what an ignorant stupid man. I wish he would just go somewhere else like under a rock.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Original post)

Tue Dec 13, 2016, 03:21 PM

25. Totalitarian tRump Politburo bringing in thought crime clampdown. . . nt

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