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bigtree

(85,984 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:38 PM Dec 2016

Why is Ivanka Trump entitled to the Office and benefits of the First Lady?

...there's nothing compelling her to the functions of that office, like marriage.

It would make sense for Trump's wife to be afforded a staff and a budget, but I don't believe the role or the office was designed or intended to be transferable to other family members, in this case, just because his wife isn't in residence at the WH.

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Ivanka to get White House office in space reserved for First Lady, although Republicans insist it's not weird http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ivanka-trump-moving-lady-white-house-space-article-1.2910826



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Why is Ivanka Trump entitled to the Office and benefits of the First Lady? (Original Post) bigtree Dec 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author HAB911 Dec 2016 #1
Maybe she is sleeping with Mr Potato head-elect. putitinD Dec 2016 #2
Pretty weird isn't it? agincourt Dec 2016 #3
Third lady Melanoma better watch out, HAB911 Dec 2016 #4
Once the Coup has been established, Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #5
because Melania doesn't want the job. .and that is a SERIOUSLY annabanana Dec 2016 #6
yeah it is Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #8
No kidding! There is just something really not right about that family. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #10
your telling me MFM008 Dec 2016 #13
I don't think this is Melania's call. I don't think she has any power in her marriage and will do as Tanuki Dec 2016 #11
I don't think she cares Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #17
True DK504 Dec 2016 #31
Can explain Cal Carpenter Dec 2016 #45
It's a job with no pay yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #55
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #48
....but but but he isn't taking his salary of $400,000!!!!! Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #7
Ouch my eyes flamingdem Dec 2016 #9
I think it has something to do with the Trump scale of pussy grabbing fuckability... hunter Dec 2016 #12
My theory all along has been that solara Dec 2016 #14
Yuck. The whole thing is just...yuck. bleeeck. Luz Dec 2016 #15
does the FLOTUS get paid? treestar Dec 2016 #21
She doesn't get a salary, but she gets a paid (by us) staff and a Tanuki Dec 2016 #22
Yes, she does not need to support herself treestar Dec 2016 #24
you said it "incest" bdamomma Dec 2016 #42
Yep he wants her near him solara Dec 2016 #47
It might be the only wise appointment he's made Warpy Dec 2016 #16
What a mess Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #18
She fills the role of his wife more than his wife. Melania is just eye candy...but Ivanka....who TrekLuver Dec 2016 #19
I don't think there are any rules about that treestar Dec 2016 #20
Melinia doesn't fall into the category of need bigtree Dec 2016 #39
Anyone here getting that unsettling feeling that this country did, in fact, SticksnStones Dec 2016 #23
Put this one on the pile of weird shit The_Casual_Observer Dec 2016 #25
I want to post a reply to this thread Yavin4 Dec 2016 #26
So the son in law...... dawnie51 Dec 2016 #27
Well it's kinda the same thing solara Dec 2016 #36
i'm starting to think that instead of pence, barbtries Dec 2016 #28
She Is Trump's Brain RobinA Dec 2016 #40
This family is a freak show. madaboutharry Dec 2016 #29
dysfunctional family bdamomma Dec 2016 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #52
Just ick. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #30
"Who elected HER to anything?" LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #32
No one. Just as no one "elects" the First Lady. onenote Dec 2016 #59
She knows he is a senile old fool, and somebody has to run the government. Much better her than him patricia92243 Dec 2016 #33
I Agree RobinA Dec 2016 #41
Candy's dandy, but ...n/t Greybnk48 Dec 2016 #34
We shouldn't even allow her near the Whitehouse. ileus Dec 2016 #35
Ivanka enid602 Dec 2016 #37
Melania doesn't want the job, and I don't blame her. WillowTree Dec 2016 #38
While it is not without precedent Sorceress Dec 2016 #49
There is no 'blind trust,' elleng Dec 2016 #54
Oh, I know. But they could at least pretend to put forth some effort Sorceress Dec 2016 #61
I think I know what you're getting at, but that "conflict" is mostly in your head. WillowTree Dec 2016 #57
I don't know. Sorceress Dec 2016 #60
We are skirting the topic because it's so unsettling by saying it's "creepy" let's just say it.... Locut0s Dec 2016 #44
Because Meliana has taken her queue from Lisa Douglas. baldguy Dec 2016 #46
I'd wager a guess, but it would be seriously creepy. Vinca Dec 2016 #50
It's not an official 'role.' Any POTUS can do whatever s/he wants with it. elleng Dec 2016 #51
This gets creepier and creepier by the minute! Initech Dec 2016 #53
Melania will be busy ending cyber bullying underpants Dec 2016 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #58
Melancholy (autocorrect, giggles) is nothing but a breeder and occasional plaything for him NightWatcher Dec 2016 #62

Response to bigtree (Original post)

agincourt

(1,996 posts)
3. Pretty weird isn't it?
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:41 PM
Dec 2016

I guess we have to get over our political correctness and just accept these things??? Not be critical or negative, wtf?

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Once the Coup has been established,
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:42 PM
Dec 2016

Fearless Leader gets to call the shots and if you don't like it,firing squad meets in five minutes.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. No kidding! There is just something really not right about that family.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:53 PM
Dec 2016

Ugh, I would be so creeped out to see those anal lips coming toward me.

Tanuki

(14,916 posts)
11. I don't think this is Melania's call. I don't think she has any power in her marriage and will do as
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:56 PM
Dec 2016

he tells her. Trump wants to catapult Ivanka to a position of the highest visibility and influence, and what better platform? Keeping Melania sequestered in Trump Tower with his latest known kid will also liberate him to grab whatever comes his way a little more easily.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
17. I don't think she cares
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:17 PM
Dec 2016

She doesn't seem to want anything to do with her husband. Seeing them together it doesn't look at all like a love match. I think she is perfectly happy to be in New York away from him. Not that I blame her.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
31. True
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 06:12 PM
Dec 2016

But, Ivanka is not allowed to do this. She is just one of his kids, not an employee of the government. This is illegal, along with everything he has done. Where the hell is the media, other than bending over for Herr Orangeilini.

Besides not divesting any of her interests in the Dumpster Org., there are laws about cronyism and nepotism.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
45. Can explain
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:41 PM
Dec 2016

why you say this is illegal? I haven't seen anything indicating it is actually illegal, so I'm curious.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
55. It's a job with no pay
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 03:35 PM
Dec 2016

Heck even trump isn't taking a salary. I think we've had many family members over the past two centuries fill in the duties. So much more to complain about trump then an unpaid position. I can see this taking the main focus in the next month while all his cabinet pick pass through the senate with ease because the focus is on the daughter making flower arrangements.

Response to annabanana (Reply #6)

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
7. ....but but but he isn't taking his salary of $400,000!!!!!
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:48 PM
Dec 2016

this is what I keep hearing....so....that means that we are giving him a few hours free on the $1 million a day it is going to cost to fortify NY for the legal mrs. trump

solara

(3,836 posts)
14. My theory all along has been that
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:11 PM
Dec 2016

Melania is trump's 'beard' She acts the part of his wife, they have a child to seal the deal, she gets the money, but she pretty much stays out of things so that Ivanka can assume her duties as surrogate wife and now First Lady. The whole world is watching and yet, not very many people see anything wrong with this picture mostly because trump has been honest about his feelings for his daughter and there are many slightly dubious pictures around and though there were some arched eyebrows, no one really batted an eye.

He can't help it, "He is a sucker for beauty" And how can actual proof of incest be found?

Is it really against the law to be in a common law relationship with your own daughter? Ivanka will get everything her Daddy wants her to have, high security clearing, First Lady's office, staff, duties and paycheck. Melania will receive her own paycheck and recede further into the background with her 'little man'

And all will be cozy in the White House.


treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. Yes, she does not need to support herself
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:27 PM
Dec 2016

I am sure, and lives in luxury (though with duties) but probably not a paycheck per se.

bdamomma

(63,814 posts)
42. you said it "incest"
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:31 PM
Dec 2016

she is always around even at those meeting he was having with leaders, he is obsessed with her.

solara

(3,836 posts)
47. Yep he wants her near him
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 02:36 PM
Dec 2016

Now that trump will be arguably the most powerful man in the world he can do what he damn well pleases, and it pleases him to have his Daughter/Surrogate Wife with him at all times and in on the "deals" he will be making with the world.

Incest will soon be a moot item on the "bad boy trump" list., just as sexual assault has become.

Warpy

(111,224 posts)
16. It might be the only wise appointment he's made
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:17 PM
Dec 2016

Ivanka is, after all, American and would have the social graces expected by other Americans from the White House's official hostess.

Malaria seems to be MIA lately. Either she didn't want the job or was found lacking the talent for it.

 

TrekLuver

(2,573 posts)
19. She fills the role of his wife more than his wife. Melania is just eye candy...but Ivanka....who
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:21 PM
Dec 2016

was forged from the great orange sperm is a close confidant. He is a co-dependent nightmare.

You think he really talks to Melania about anything substantial....LOL ..know he reserves that for his second wife...his daughter.

Trashpot is in office now and he'll do what he likes.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. I don't think there are any rules about that
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:24 PM
Dec 2016

widowed or single presidents assigned someone else. Never before has a married POTUS assigned someone else, but I suppose they could.

Say a president had a spouse with a full time job or career of their own. They could pick someone else to be the host of parties and all that FLOTUS stuff.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
39. Melinia doesn't fall into the category of need
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:48 PM
Dec 2016

...and we shouldn't be paying for grown children of Presidents to run PR for them out of the WH.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
23. Anyone here getting that unsettling feeling that this country did, in fact,
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:26 PM
Dec 2016

Elect the first female president....

Ivanka and Jared are really running the show now, aren't they?

solara

(3,836 posts)
36. Well it's kinda the same thing
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 06:21 PM
Dec 2016

Son-In-Law is Ivanka's 'beard'.

It would look a lot worse if Ivanka was single and doing Daddy, than this way when one can't be sure since she actually has a hubby.

yuck-o

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
28. i'm starting to think that instead of pence,
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:53 PM
Dec 2016

she's going to be the de facto president. weird, yes it is really weird.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
40. She Is Trump's Brain
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:24 PM
Dec 2016

for when he actually needs one. She can read, pay attention, etc. That's why she's at meetings and on phone calls. He apparently trusts her, she and Jared keep him pointed in the right direction and running reasonably close to the rails. Even they can't keep him ON the rails.

madaboutharry

(40,200 posts)
29. This family is a freak show.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:59 PM
Dec 2016

The weirdness between Ivanka and Trump is more than just creepy. He has allowed himself to be seen grabbing her in inappropriate ways, like when he tried to touch her ass on the stage at the convention. Anyone watching knows this is not unusual for them because her reflexive and defensive move of trying to knock his arm out of the way seemed like routine.

Melania had to memorize nice things to say about him during interviews and at the convention. None of her words had any emotion or credibility. "My husband is kind, he is generous, ........" It reads like something memorized off an index card. The body language between them when they are together is, to borrow a word from Donald, "sad".

And how Jared Kushner fits into all of this makes it all the more bizarre. Ivanka is his wife. He is close to Donald. Donald lusts after Ivanka. Ivanka has a relationship with her father that seems to go beyond that of a loyal daughter. It is all weird, so weird that no one can really explain it.

Response to madaboutharry (Reply #29)

onenote

(42,675 posts)
59. No one. Just as no one "elects" the First Lady.
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 04:22 PM
Dec 2016

Unless it violates an anti-nepotism law, hiring a relative to work for you isn't that big a deal. In the great scheme of things, there are far more things about how Trump intends to govern to get outraged about than this one.

enid602

(8,607 posts)
37. Ivanka
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:23 PM
Dec 2016

I heard Ivanka's starring in a remake of Rosemary's Baby, with the Donald, of couse as Lucifer. Just hope it's not an x rated version.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
38. Melania doesn't want the job, and I don't blame her.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:28 PM
Dec 2016

Not the way First Ladies are treated anymore. So his daughter will apparently be fulfilling most of those duties. It's not without precedent. When Andrew Jackson's wife died, her niece took over whatever roles First Ladies filled in those days.

Sorceress

(309 posts)
49. While it is not without precedent
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 03:01 PM
Dec 2016

for someone else to fill in for FLOTUS duties, I do believe it is unprecedented for said person to be simultaneously executing the blind trust of the President. That is a major source of conflict. I also question whether someone has ever filled in for a healthy and alive wife of the President. Perhaps, it has happened. I don't know.

elleng

(130,834 posts)
54. There is no 'blind trust,'
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 03:24 PM
Dec 2016

but your point is good. IF she's among those running his businesses, she shouldn't be in the White House.

Sorceress

(309 posts)
61. Oh, I know. But they could at least pretend to put forth some effort
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 09:09 PM
Dec 2016

in appearing to be ethical, you know?

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
57. I think I know what you're getting at, but that "conflict" is mostly in your head.
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 03:55 PM
Dec 2016

The First Lady has no official government position, has no actual duties, authority over anything or responsibilities, doesn't receive a salary. There's nothing officially there to be in conflict with.

I doubt that the situation of someone covering for a living wife of a president, but I don't know of anything that requires a wife of a president to take it on. Unusual, even odd situation, I agree. I just don't see it a big deal.

Sorceress

(309 posts)
60. I don't know.
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 09:05 PM
Dec 2016

FLOTUS Ivanka will have the opportunity to meet and likely, lunch with foreign dignitaries. The same dignitaries who could influence permits etc. for Trump Org projects. Her projects. But she will have the opportunity via the exploitation of her government position. While this may not be a conflict, per se, it sure is unethical and Ivanka shouldn't have the opportunity to personally gain from getting to schmooze via her FLOTUS position. It's messy. It's unseemly and that girl's word that she won't exploit her position is not enough.

I definitely don't think a spouse should be made to take the position. Not at all.And I don't think a spouse should be prohibited from continuing their career in order to be FLOTUS. I just feel that whomever takes it shouldn't be allowed to exploit it, at least on this scale.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
44. We are skirting the topic because it's so unsettling by saying it's "creepy" let's just say it....
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:41 PM
Dec 2016

There seems to be a good chance we may be looking at an incestuous father daughter relationship here. Trump has hinted at the possibility of course with crewed comments like:

Saying she's “voluptuous”.

He's said it's OK to describe her as “a piece of ass”

He's said that, if she wasn't his daughter, “perhaps [he'd] be dating her”

There's a possibility that her mother doesn't want the role of First Lady because she wants nothing to do with him or said relationship. This is of course pure speculation. Even if not true the word "creepy" certainly does fit very very well at the very least!

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
46. Because Meliana has taken her queue from Lisa Douglas.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:43 PM
Dec 2016
"Donald, I love you, but give me Park Avenue."

Response to underpants (Reply #56)

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
62. Melancholy (autocorrect, giggles) is nothing but a breeder and occasional plaything for him
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 09:10 PM
Dec 2016

Ivanka is his partner. He sees her as another version of himself. If he were to sleep with Ivanka it would be more conceited masturbation than incest.

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