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TexasTowelie

(112,131 posts)
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 10:01 PM Dec 2016

Young doctors could work 28 hours straight under new plan, despite possible dangers

The private group that oversees physician training in the United States has proposed rolling back rules so that young doctors just out of medical school can work shifts as long as 28 hours.

The proposal relaxes work restrictions put in place in 2011 when mounting evidence showed that exhausted residents - the term for doctors in training - were endangering patients and themselves. Currently, first-year residents are restricted to 16-hour shifts.

Studies show that residents make more potentially deadly errors in caring for patients the longer they work.

The extended shifts also expose residents to an increased risk of car accidents as they drive home from work. At the University of California, Los Angeles, nearly 20 percent of residents said in a 2007 survey that they had fallen asleep while driving because of work-related fatigue.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article121454582.html

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Young doctors could work 28 hours straight under new plan, despite possible dangers (Original Post) TexasTowelie Dec 2016 OP
Danger! This is why they changed the rules. raging moderate Dec 2016 #1
It is my understanding that the pipeline for doctors exboyfil Dec 2016 #2
I don't understand why? My granddaughter is a dr. she went to Med school in Romania, napi21 Dec 2016 #3
Limiting the number of trained doctors Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #6
Any time now we'll be hearing that child labor laws have been repealed. Laffy Kat Dec 2016 #4
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO DO THAT? forgotmylogin Dec 2016 #5
Not all learning is the same. McCamy Taylor Dec 2016 #7
Brilliant, brilliant minds Hekate Dec 2016 #8
Resident salaries come from medicare greymattermom Dec 2016 #9
I don't want anyone who has been awake that long treestar Dec 2016 #10
I thought that residency was supposed to be low paying torture HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #11

raging moderate

(4,297 posts)
1. Danger! This is why they changed the rules.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 10:05 PM
Dec 2016

All these bad things did indeed happen to young doctors and their patients and those around them, in the bad old days before the safeguards were instituted. My mother actually knew one who came down with tb, and had heard of others.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. It is my understanding that the pipeline for doctors
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 10:08 PM
Dec 2016

is restricted at the residency level. Doesn't it make sense to reduce the residency hours and find the extra dollars to pay more residents - thus getting more doctors that are U.S. born. These are some of the jobs she should look to save for U.S. residents.

I think residents hours should be restricted to 60 hrs/wk and have approximately 33% more doctors being produced in the U.S.

25% of U.S. doctors are foreign born.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/2016/07/12/25-of-docs-are-born-outside-of-the-u-s-can-immigration-reform-solve-our-doc-shortage/#1937d6a4702b

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. I don't understand why? My granddaughter is a dr. she went to Med school in Romania,
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 10:18 PM
Dec 2016

she's doing her residency in Germany, and she married a Dr. who has already completed his residency, and now works at a different hosp. in Germany than his wife. Neither of them worked 28 hour shifts! there WERE many 16hr days/nights.


WHY are we in the US doing that?

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
6. Limiting the number of trained doctors
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 03:15 AM
Dec 2016

helps to keep a perpetual shortage which will always guarantee higher income and prestige

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
5. WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO DO THAT?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:03 AM
Dec 2016

Is it cheaper to litigate a malpractice suit than to hire an extra doctor?

Even if it is...doesn't the medical profession realize that doing ANYTHING for 28 hours without sleep is dangerous...not to mention dealing with people's lives???

Never mind. Don't answer that. I know.

Before THE PRIVATE GROUP THAT OVERSEES PHYSICIAN TRAINING make this ruling, they should be forced to drive a car around a track for 28 hours straight to see how they can handle it.

BEING AWAKE FOR 28 HOURS ON A REGULAR BASIS IS DANGEROUS TO ANYONE IN ANY PROFESSION.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
7. Not all learning is the same.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 04:08 AM
Dec 2016

The brain has two different memory pathways. One is active when we have a lot of sleep. Another is activated when we are sleep deprived. I have much more vivid memories from residency of the overnight and next day work that I used to do every 4 days than I do of my well rested work. The memories are so intense that if I close my eyes I can still see the colors and lighting. What happens when a whole profession changes the way that it teaches?

If the issue is safety, have attendings--board certified doctors available day and night to supervise. If the resident makes a mistake due to sleep deprivation, a doctor who has had enough sleep is there to correct him.



treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. I don't want anyone who has been awake that long
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 07:26 AM
Dec 2016

I charge of my health or giving me advice or doing any damn thing that could affect me!

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
11. I thought that residency was supposed to be low paying torture
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 07:35 AM
Dec 2016

My older relatives who went through it complained of 48 hours shifts for fast food pay scale. The pay was more surprising than the hours.

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