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kpete

(71,965 posts)
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:16 AM Dec 2016

Michael Moore: You Better Believe Trump Is Afraid of the Electoral College Vote on Monday

Yesterday was the day Donald Trump was going to hold his first press conference in 5 months. He abruptly cancelled it on Monday with no explanation. Well, I have one...

He has heard that there is a rumbling taking place amongst the Republican electors that some of them are growing uncomfortable with the news that the election was hacked by Russia to benefit him. This news was followed by the revelation that Putin himself directed the hack. And then last night, CBS News reported that the Russians had in the past committed a successful cyber-attack on the email system of the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff.

If you are a Republican Elector, this news is very sobering. And for some, very disturbing.

Electors of the Electoral College know that their job is to usually rubber stamp the election - with one exception: If they need to cast their vote to protect the country from someone who is a danger to our nation.

And slowly it has dawned on some of the electors this week that something doesn't smell right. And now that we know that Putin himself was behind this historic assault on our electoral process -- so that he could tilt the election to Trump -- well, this is now for many Americans a bridge too far.

Trump knows this, so he's gone into hiding from real journalists. He has one mission right now: Get to Monday without the shit hitting the fan. To show you how scared he is, after my (and others) week-long shaming him for not showing up to the daily national security briefing, his aides have responded by announcing that he'll start attending the briefings "three" times a week. As for the other four days, I guess it's, "Sorry America -- you're on your own!" But he knew he had to do something. This is the Trumpian way of "doing something."

Well, WE need to do something. All of us, very loudly, need to let the Electoral College know that they MUST vote their conscience on Monday. Or postpone the vote until they have more information about Trump's Manchurian Candidate-like behavior. Here is a site you can go to to find out what's going on protest-wise where you live over the weekend and on Monday: http://www.hamiltonelectors.com/events

What would Trump and the Republicans be doing today if they were ahead by 3 million votes - but the Electoral College was set to give the Presidency to Clinton? Are you kidding? THEY WOULD NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.

We are the wimps. We sink into our despair. We feel defeated and that there's nothing we can do. Everybody told us she was going to win! Nate Silver and 538 promised us it was in the bag! All the pundits agreed!!

Get over it and pull yourself together. "The tanks are 20 miles outside of Paris!" Throw everything you got at this and do not relent. You're in the friggin' majority! Let's act like it. Make your voice heard on social media and in front of your state capitol. An authoritarian regime is about to take hold in DC, and they are going to run roughshod over you, me and all that is good. Get over your election depression and fight like you've never fought before. Non-violently. With conviction. There are more of us than there are of them. Only 23% of all registered adult American voters showed up and voted for Trump. Come on! It's not over til it's over.

Trump is worried about Monday. It only takes 38 of his 300+ electors to defect.

These rallies he's holding every night this week and weekend?

They're not because he wants to sell more hats.

https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10154015321206857

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Michael Moore: You Better Believe Trump Is Afraid of the Electoral College Vote on Monday (Original Post) kpete Dec 2016 OP
Completely right EricMaundry Dec 2016 #1
Agent Orange will take time out of his busy sheister sessions to attend Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #2
The problem with the Republican electors is that they're Republican. milestogo Dec 2016 #3
I sent an email to the NC electors zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #4
Not going to happen unless something major hits today or tomorrow. libtodeath Dec 2016 #5
Pfffffft BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #6
Trump isn't worried about Monday. Kotya Dec 2016 #7
I wish it were true, but in no way are there 38 Republican electors with the stones sarcasmo Dec 2016 #8
I agree with him. We need to have demonstrations about the hacking. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #9
Michael's fantasy onenote Dec 2016 #10
Moore also has no understanding of the Democratic Party's Hortensis Dec 2016 #16
While I wish he were right, I doubt it very much. MineralMan Dec 2016 #11
I wish I could believe 38 Republicans would vote against Trump. kentuck Dec 2016 #12
I don't see it happening either. ananda Dec 2016 #13
Why is it Republican Electors? Couldn't it be Democrat Electoral College reps in a state Trump won Pachamama Dec 2016 #17
That's not how it works. Aristus Dec 2016 #19
I misunderstood then - I thought each state has electors represented by the two parties and then had Pachamama Dec 2016 #20
The only republican electors who MIGHT vote their conscience SticksnStones Dec 2016 #14
Even if the EC voted down, it would go to the House, no? & no way this House would let him go. UTUSN Dec 2016 #15
best we can expect is they refuse to vote, leave ballots blank and walk away. Congress will pick. Sunlei Dec 2016 #18
Not happening. cwydro Dec 2016 #21

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
2. Agent Orange will take time out of his busy sheister sessions to attend
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:26 AM
Dec 2016

less than half of the national security briefings, yet, despite Moore's optimism, we all know it's very unlikely the Electoral College will put partisanship aside to do the right thing. Imagine if President Obama had been anything like this cavalier about national security!

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
3. The problem with the Republican electors is that they're Republican.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:32 AM
Dec 2016

Its My party, the country be damned. And it will be.

 

Kotya

(235 posts)
7. Trump isn't worried about Monday.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:42 AM
Dec 2016

There won't be more than a single faithless GOP elector.

People seem to think that Republican electors are somehow morally troubled about voting for Trump. Newsflash: They're not.

Trump cancelled his news conference on Monday because he's still trying to figure out how he can legally avoid divesting from his businesses and he's doing his "Thank You" tour because he enjoys rubbing it in.

Honestly, Trump will probably leave the business of running the country to Mike Pence and his cabinet while he tweets and holds rallies reliving his campaign. He's becoming an "Al Bundy-esque" caricature; the old man who can't stop talking about that one great football game he played in high school.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
8. I wish it were true, but in no way are there 38 Republican electors with the stones
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:56 AM
Dec 2016


to stop this maniac.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
9. I agree with him. We need to have demonstrations about the hacking.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:42 PM
Dec 2016

About the Russian involvement. we need to be loud. And we need to be seen.

onenote

(42,603 posts)
10. Michael's fantasy
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:55 PM
Dec 2016

Is based on his assumption that he knows what Repub electors are thinking/feeling. Well, I'm here to tell you he's wrong.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Moore also has no understanding of the Democratic Party's
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:59 PM
Dec 2016

crucial role. The survival of the democratic republic that liberals founded on liberal principles well over 200 years ago now depends on liberals of today holding the line, guarding the principles of our constitution and institutions against the barbarians seeking to destroy them. Obama so clearly understands that as he worries that the center may not hold. We HAVE to hold. We cannot copy the barbarians.

The Michael Moores on these shows, those spouting on Salon and others, need to stop whining about what the Democratic Party should be doing, something they seem to understand little better than the right, and go do it themselves.

There is a role for an angry, radical, illiberal left to play in this battle. Attacking others is a natural for them. So for once they should, finally!, take their battle to the barbarians on the right. Who knows, maybe they'd even inspire themselves into organizing into something useful.

*********** WHEN TO PROTEST? DAY AFTER TOMORROW! *************
December 19 -- Peaceful protests planned in 50 state capitols as the electors meet. THOSE are statements many millions of us can make.


MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
11. While I wish he were right, I doubt it very much.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:03 PM
Dec 2016

We're looking at this from a completely different perspective than the typical Republican elector. Almost always, electors are tried and true party members or people completely loyal to the candidate. Republicans who become electors DO NOT LIKE DEMOCRATS. In fact, they almost certainly loathe them.

I suppose there might be a few who will vote for someone other than Trump, but I suspect it's very few. These people are highly partisan in nature. It comes with the territory. Electors are chosen for their loyalty to party and candidate, not for their fairness and strong consciences.

I wish Michael Moore were correct, but I think he is not.

Here's a pretty good explanation:

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

kentuck

(111,054 posts)
12. I wish I could believe 38 Republicans would vote against Trump.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:22 PM
Dec 2016

With the partisanship and propaganda, I cannot see it happening. I hope I am wrong.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
17. Why is it Republican Electors? Couldn't it be Democrat Electoral College reps in a state Trump won
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 01:47 AM
Dec 2016

...who vote against him even though they are sworn to vote for how the state went?

I confess I am very confused by the statements that we need to be hoping only that 38 Republicans are Patriots.

I frankly am counting on it being Demicrats in States that Comrade Trumpski either not voting or voting for someone other than him and even facing fines. But that the end result being he doesn't have 270...

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
19. That's not how it works.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:30 AM
Dec 2016

If the Republican candidate carries a state's popular vote, then the electors sent to the Electoral College are all Republicans. And vice-versa.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
20. I misunderstood then - I thought each state has electors represented by the two parties and then had
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:35 AM
Dec 2016

...to vote the way the state went in the election.

Sigh...this system is truly crazy...but what do I know...I come from a state where my electoral count is less valued...

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
14. The only republican electors who MIGHT vote their conscience
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:38 PM
Dec 2016

Are those who still wear their rubber WWRD bracelets...What Would Reagan Do


C'mon Electors...how 'bout one for the Gipper?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. best we can expect is they refuse to vote, leave ballots blank and walk away. Congress will pick.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:08 AM
Dec 2016

Congress will move up Pence as president and the republican speaker as VP. That's what will happen anyway once trump is impeached or becomes "to unfit" to work.

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