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H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:08 AM Dec 2016

Giants

“Ideology minus science equals sophistry.”
-- Dr. Richard Cordes



Last night, Richard and I were attempting to define the political-social unreality of the day. My thought was significantly simpler: the Trump of the 2016 campaign was a Cardiff Giant -- not an actual human being, yet viewed by many as a giant among men. Our two ideas continue to stick in my mind.

I’m reminded of the introduction to Thomas Merton’s book, “Gandhi on Non-Violence” (New Directions; 1964). Merton wrote about another book, that compared Western Man to a one-eyed giant, in his behaviors while invading the non-white nations of the world. He noted that Western Man had “science without wisdom,” which resulted in his destructive features of his relationship to non-whites and nature.

The peoples of Africa, the Americas, and Asia had wisdom without the advances in science that allowed Western Man to dominate them. Yet Western Man lacked the wisdom to exercise a wholesome control on the technological advances that outpaced his level of being. Thus, he failed to see non-western peoples as his siblings -- when in fact they were his elder siblings, with an intimate association with the lands they inhabited.

From the earliest European contacts with the Native People of the northeast in the sixteenth century, many of the technologically-advanced Western Man held the Indians in contempt. Some viewed Indians as “less-than-human.” In part, of course, it was the justification for the violent theft of their lands. The resistance to the encroachments upon their territories continues today at Standing Rock, adding links to the 500-year chain.

That spirit of the American Indian haunts this nation. Attempts to dismiss grave injustices by pretending that they took place in the distant past deny the realities of Standing Rock -- which is merely the most widely-known of assaults on Indians today. Yet there is a new dynamic: a political-economic viewpoint that denies science, when that science gets in the way of making a profit.

It is rooted in a mechanical mentality -- behavior as unconscious as a bicycle -- that lacks the ethical/ moral consciousness that defines being truly human. It’s participants are reduced to mere cogs in a machine that rejects the science of climate change, just as surely as it rejects the ceremonies of Native People.

Few things could possibly illustrate that as clearly as the pipelines that now crisscross so much of the Earth’s surface today, as if nature was another machine. The ideology minus science that the president-elect’s administration is intent upon expanding the mechanical, to construct, in effect, the Trump Tower of Babel.

Henry David Thoreau spoke of the eternal struggle people experience in recognizing what they actually see. They tend to “see” what they expect to see, or what they hope to see. Yet reality is often far more complex than what society expects, much less hopes, to see. We need to join together, to become a two-eyed giant. We need to combine science and wisdom, before the blind greed of the machine destroys the environment -- including human society -- beyond repair.

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Giants (Original Post) H2O Man Dec 2016 OP
Beautifully put. nt cry baby Dec 2016 #1
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2016 #2
1000000000 K&Rs 2naSalit Dec 2016 #3
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2016 #6
k & r Achilleaze Dec 2016 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2016 #7
K&R... spanone Dec 2016 #5
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2016 #8
Kick 2naSalit Dec 2016 #9
Thanks again! H2O Man Dec 2016 #11
Well said...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #10
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2016 #12
This needs to be read by more people 2naSalit Dec 2016 #13
Thanks again. H2O Man Dec 2016 #15
Yeah, I can see that 2naSalit Dec 2016 #17
Very interesting. H2O Man Dec 2016 #18
Nice--The struggle of against the injustices goes on in Arizona too. panader0 Dec 2016 #14
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2016 #16

2naSalit

(86,534 posts)
13. This needs to be read by more people
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:33 PM
Dec 2016

Because it is a fight fir our lives, now, not tomorrow. It has been for some time but we have so many distractions to draw our attention away... until the only choice left is to leap into the roiling crater or see if you can last for a couple weeks after the majority of all that sustains us is gone. With our culture of ignorance by choice and our jockeying for power, we have missed the train, bigly.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
15. Thanks again.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:41 PM
Dec 2016

I think that the atmosphere at DU shifted in 2016, and that some old divisions have re-surfaced. I'm a registered member of the Democratic Party, and have been all of my adult life. At the same time, I identify as a member of the Democratic Left, as a progressive rather than a liberal. In "real" life, that creates no tensions between me and my liberal family members, friends, and associates. Plenty of heated debates, but no hard feelings. On the internet, those differences can more easily take on another dynamic. Obviously, I have played a role in how that has impacted the attention, and lack thereof, my OPs get here today.

It's fine that my OP is only read by a few folks here.

2naSalit

(86,534 posts)
17. Yeah, I can see that
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:50 PM
Dec 2016

but I feel that any and all info or views of this kind would benefit so many if they spent a few moments contemplating this. And maybe it will cross their minds during critical moments. But maybe I am giving too much credit to too many there, I don't know. I feel quite defeated at this point and wonder what my job outlook will be this coming season as I work for federal agencies who hold administrative authority over vast swaths of public land and wildlife within. Not looking too good right now.

H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
18. Very interesting.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 02:47 PM
Dec 2016

A large number of people, including here on DU, see what they want to see, and what they expect to see. Hence, on a forum where the majority of participants who contributed to the primary's acrimony, and took great pleasure in insulting anyone who held different beliefs and values, are wanting and expecting to identify someone -- anyone -- to blame for the terrible outcome of the general election. For that outcome was not what they wanted or expected.

Yet, rather than consider what role they played, they engage in an external search for people to blame. While that is "human nature," it is from the lower potential of humanity. It contains zero ability to heal the very real wounds -- including their own. Thus, they invest their energies in building a wall of denial, rather than attempting to build the bridges that are needed if we are to progress beyond the toxic atmosphere ....including here.

For that very reason, if I were to post an essay about potential bridges -- all of which demand we take personal responsibility -- it would be either ignored or attacked. It's no coincidence that those who added the most toxic contributions in the primary continue to do so today. This brings to mind something Rubin told me back when I was a teenager: bitterness contaminates the vessel that contains it. As a result, we witness their hatred for not only republicans, but a large number of the progressive community.

So long as that continues, we will not see many elected representatives from the Democratic Party supporting Standing Rock, etc. And that includes the further destruction and exploitation of those lands you speak of.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
14. Nice--The struggle of against the injustices goes on in Arizona too.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:17 PM
Dec 2016

Oak Flats is a site sacred to the Apache. McCain wants to sell it the Aussies
for the mineral riches. This article is old, but the struggle continues. I'll see if I
can find a more recent article.

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/sacred-places/hundreds-gather-at-oak-flat-to-fight-for-sacred-apache-land/



H2O Man

(73,534 posts)
16. Thank you.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:46 PM
Dec 2016

Four decades ago, while speaking in Binghamton, NY, Onondaga Chief Oren Lyons warned the audience that what the blind giant was doing on Indian Territory would soon take place within their communities. They are happening in communities across the nation, and around the globe. It is important to fight them all, especially those that -- like in Oak Flats -- can be made higher profile in the general public's minds.

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