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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis fecker. Duterte. Remember Noriega?
A U.S. government aid agency, the Millennium Challenge Corporation, said earlier in the week that its board deferred a vote on a renewal of the development assistance package for the Philippines "subject to a further review of concerns around rule of law and civil liberties." ...
"I understand that we have been stricken out of the Millennium Challenge. Well, good, I welcome it," Duterte said with apparent sarcasm.
"We can survive without American money," he said....
In November, Duterte said he wanted U.S. troops out of his country in the next two years.
"I want in the next two years, to be freed from the presence of foreign military troops. I want them out," Duterte told reporters Nov. 1. "And if I have to revise or abrogate agreements, executive agreements, I will." ...
While calling Americans "sons of b------" and "hypocrites," Duterte praised China as having "the kindest soul of all" for offering what he said was significant financial assistance. "So, what do I need America for?" he asked.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/12/17/philippines-duterte-us-over-aid-bye-bye-america/95557384/
Remember what happened to Manuel Noriega, Big Man of Panama?
And what happened to Sadaam Hussein, Big Man of Iraq?
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)They are in for a rude awakening...and if they think the Chinese are warm and fuzzy, well, good luck with that.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)backyard, with those bogus artificial islands.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)The imperialistic chinese". And then 8mo-A yr later, "get out, USA. You can't tell us what to do. If I want to slaughter 3,000 people without due process in the name of drug control doesn't mean I am crazy. You and the UN need to mind your own business. I have a new BFF now. The Chinese are nice".
I don't understand his popularity over there. And after that little whiplash spectacle, I really don't want to hear any crying when China takes over those Islands. The Philippines is on a very dark path. they bought the same bullshit marketing that Donald Trump sold.
Trump is supposed to have Duterte visit next year. Demagogues stick together.
Just heard him whining about how we cut their financial aid. Maybe he thinks Trump will give him money. Bwahahaha!
brooklynite
(93,851 posts)I grew up in the Philippines, and from what I can see this was the freest and fairest election the Filipinos have had since WW2. Voters rightly saw the political structure in both Parties as corrupt and ineffectual and (like Donald trump) voted for someone different.
FWIW, notwithstanding his extrajudicial anti-crime tactics, there's no indication of personal corruption or benefit by Duterte, in comparison to the alternatives.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Corruption, the question remains whether macchiavellian tactics are acceptable. 6,000 deaths later, is this tactic acceptable? Is it okay to kill first and then ask questions later? Where do individual rights lie in a society like this? Where do we draw the line?
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)without any accountability.
Good luck to you if the regime decides you are "corrupt" or are a threat to the nation and decides to erase you.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)He's a preview of what we're looking at starting Jan 20...
Demonaut
(8,909 posts)KT2000
(20,544 posts)he and trump are the same- crude and assure they population he will take care of all their problems. The people who had loved ones murdered don't like him but the general population does not like the poor anyway.
Cha
(295,903 posts)talking shite about America?
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)because I approve of how the US took them out, but because it's a fact that the US did. Very publicly. Under Republican presidents.
Donald Trump is just itching, just itching, to order an attack somewhere.
He's loaded up his cabinet with generals.
He's apparently always had this an inferiority complex after going to military school but not having actually served in uniform.
And he's got little hands.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)if they think he's hurting their business.
Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)It would be interesting to know whether or not the drug lords he's killed without due process were from rival gangs to his.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Duarte is a thug but not crazy. He is trying to break the gangs/tongs while making nice with CCP to make life unpleasant for them on the mainland.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)But the local dealers surely are not all Chinese nationals
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Cicada
(4,533 posts)Noriega condoned the killing of a couple US servicemen so Acting against him had some justification. We had no right to attack Saddam Hussein. Long long ago nations wisely decided that nations should be sovereign within their borders. Wars because another nation had the wrong religion or acted badly internally cost vastly more than their benefit. Same with Duterte. If he wants us out, fine.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)And we did....no more financial aid to the Philippines. He can go ask his new BFF, the Chinese for money now.
dembotoz
(16,737 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Duterte called Obama SOB. I am not ok with that. Obama was gracious about it, but the big stick came this week.
I don't care what anyone calls trump.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Yes we can cut funds or say he is a dodo head. But we should not do to him what we did to Noriega.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)But, I doubt we will care at all that duterte has now killed 6000 people when cheeto gets in to office.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Letter of Resignation of James G McDonald, High Commissioner for Refugess (Jewish and Other) Coming from Germany, Addressed to the Secretary General of the League of Nations, December 1935
https://dl.wdl.org/11604/service/11604.pdf
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"If" rather than "when," unless you're a prophet or someone who believes that "after this, therefor because of this" is a rational thought...
EX500rider
(10,528 posts).....does not involve Americans is wrong.
If Germany hadn't attacked other countries but just fed German Jews and gays and gypsies and handicapped into the ovens the US should just have said "Oh well, soverign nation and all...."
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)And we do have a responsibility to call evil for what it is.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)I would support intervention in some cases, but we should understand that usually intervention kills more than it saves. At least a thousand died in our capture of Noriega.
Protestants go to hell so Catholic nations should invade Protestant nations. How did those wars work out?
The suggestion that we should do to Duterte what we did to Noriega would do more harm than good.
NYC Liberal
(20,132 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)still_one
(91,948 posts)pushes his anti-USA bullshit enough, he will hurt the Philippines economically
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)China, North Korea, and Russia