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Give me one reason while I should have empathy for the Deplorables when they are selling us out to Moscow. This is in addition to their racism, xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny, , nativism, and anti-semitism et cetera.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Hopelessness and despair coupled with ignorance often breeds confusion and scapegoating.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)How much empathy should we have had for Germans who gave Hitler and his National Socialist party a plurality in the 1932 election and a significantly larger plurality in the 1933 federal elections?
It seems them like the Deplorables were willing to throw a whole lot of their fellow Americans under the bus because they were different.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not simply trying to make a rhetorical point.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You can make a better case for Germans supporting Hitler circa 1932 and 1933.
Germany was a defeated nation paying punishing reparations to their victors, their economy was ravaged by hyperinflation, and the culture had been sapped of all power.
The United States is not a defeated nation. It does have a penchant for getting in endless small scale wars. The United States economy is growing faster than the economy of any mature industrialized democracy, and our culture is imaginative, creative, adaptive, and robust.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am sure that those reasons are also applicable to other people during other historical times as well.
The people who I find most deplorable are those who are educated and intelligent and manipulate others for their own personal gain, playing on xenophobia and the like in order to achieve their ends.
The Bannons and their ilk - along with Trump himself.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)As an aside I was looking at some social science data and it indicates twenty percent of the electorate has authoritarian tendencies and would support an authoritarian leader. Of course they don't come right out and admit it. Very few Americans are going to admit they would support a dictator but these tendencies/attitudes can be sussed out by asking indirect questions.
My grandparents left Russia after the first revolution in 1905 that forced the Czar to liberalize. Anti-authoritarianism is in my bones. I don't need a daddy. I had one. I loved him and respected him. I don't need the government to be my daddy.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Do you have a link to that data? I would be curious to look into that myself.
Does it focus exclusively on the US or does it show similar findings in other countries?
I do agree with you that there are a lot of Americans who just want someone to take charge and fix everything - and Trump was able to tap into this fantasy for many folks.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=percentage%20of%20americans%20with%20authoritarian%20tendencies
In that vein among my Jewish friends, most of the Americans ones despise Trump. We can go on and on into infinity about how much we dislike him. However I know many Jewish emigres, some from Israel and some from Russia, and they like him. I also see some contempt for liberal Jews among them. It seems our support of pluralism and compromise upset them. It makes me apoplectic. I refuse to talk politics with them any more. I believe it is because they long for a strong man. I asked them how have all the strong men worked out for them. I also ask them how they can support a man whose supporters post photoshopped memes of him leading his Jewish opponents being led into gas chambers. There is a despicable one of him and Bernie.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You probably already know this, but I cannot overstate to you the extent to which this is true. I have spoken to Jewish Trump supporters who have at their disposal a myriad of talking points to explain why Trump is great for Jewish Americans and why Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt person in history.
Once you realize that they only believe Fox News, there is literally no way to have a discussion or argument with them because you will not even be able to agree on the most basic set of facts.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I know two Israeli ex who just love Trump. One has a son who is an exec at Morgan Stanley who likes Hillary so I feel better. I always remind him of his son. The other guy says he likes Trump and this is a direct quotation "because he speaks from the heart."
How can Trump be good for American Jews when he undermines pluralism, liberal democracy, and the rule of law and empowers white nationalists who traffic in global Jewish conspiracies and post photoshopped memes of Trump leading his Jewish opponents into the gas chamber? I ask them that point blank.
Israel is becoming more accepted in the M E. Nations like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf emirates, and Jordan see Islamic radicalism and Iran as an existential threat, not Israel. I don't see how Trump encouraging Israel to rattle their cages by provoking the Palestinians helps them.
We get by here, the world gets by, by papering over our differences. Trump is trying to highlight them and that is extraordinarily dangerous here and everywhere.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)By definition have led a very different life, probably under worse conditions than homegrown that may have little knowledge of the world. You can see that even with kids that have grown up middle class. They have no clue of the poverty that their parents grew up in. I would expect there to be very different political preferences.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-MadDAsHell
My old man had a ninth grade education. He was effectively emancipated at fifteen years old when he moved out of his parent's sixth floor walk up apartment and became a stevedore at the Port of New York. He died at the ripe old age of 58 putting up road signs in the hot Florida sun. He didn't blame his station in life on Mexicans, blacks, gays, women, what have you. I was 14 when he died. He left my mom and I with a 750 square foot shotgun shack and a load of debt. He would loathed a guy like Trump. I worked my way through college and grad school as a bouncer, a lifeguard, a mover, and a fitness instructor. I never blamed marginalized groups for my station in life either.
Go hector someone else. You don't intimidate me, at all...Best be "MadDAsHell" at someone else.
MUAH
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Gee, where have I heard that before...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-MadDAsHell
Trump and the Deplorables want to unwind the safety net, well they want to unwind it for everybody but themselves.
It is odd you would accuse progressives on this board of doing that:
The point is my old man and I on never blamed our station in life on those even more vulnerable and we never thought we could elevate ourselves by denigrating them. That is what the Deplorables do.
emulatorloo
(44,124 posts)Smearing him as anti-safety net when he is not. (he is a huge supporter of the safety net)
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #81)
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Funny how folks who had good paying jobs voted Trump and those who were worried about the economy voted Clinton, but here y'all go pretending folks voted for 'Muslim Registry' guy because they were poor. Bullfugginshit
heaven05
(18,124 posts)be trying to excuse these poor examples of human beings based on everything instead of their primary motivation in voting for the new fuhrer....racism, sexism, xenophobia,.....even Jewish people were fooled by the initial lies of the national socialists appealing to the popular angst concerning the then German economy....8% percent AA voted republican... 19%percent Asian voted republican....30% Latinos voted republican......some of the people ALL the time....it seems. AmeriKKKa will struggle to maintain a prominent position on the world stage for the next few years...if that's possible without nuclear threatening sword of Damocles hung over the heads of potential enemies, of ameriKKKa, known and UNknown.
I have no empathy for any person who falls into the Deplorable Party camp. None. May the majority end up whining about betrayal. Especially the vets and seniors. Yes I am a vet and a senior who depends on my benefits paid for in work and blood. How people can be so hateful that their stupid drives them to fear the non-threat and dismiss the real threat is way beyond me. Nah!!! No empathy...none.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Hillary had big leads in all 3, but somehow lost.
Hmm, wonder how that happened. Well dont wonder, look around at the hacking by the Russians and the voter suppression. People polled, showing up to vote, cant. Machines hacked while counting votes.
She won those 3 states, there is no need to compromise with people who are racists and bigots especially when they are the minority.
sheshe2
(83,758 posts)They are deplorable. I watched them rant...LOCK HER UP. I saw a woman that had on a Tee shirt that had a hand written message, it said grab my... with an arrow pointing to her p***y. She had a huge grin on her face. She was proud. Holy shit a woman proudly supporting sexual abuse. I can't tell you how much that hurts me and all women.
I want nothing to do with any of them ever.
You as a vet and senior under trump, I am sorry, heaven.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)We need to wrap our heads around that and be vigilant.
As to myself I would never hurt a Deplorable. I just want them to leave us alone.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)believe that.
I hope they all do, because it is true.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I would never harm a Deplorable but I am under no illusion wouldn't harm me.
Look at his crowds. They are scary as Hell !!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Dan
(3,562 posts)Of his supporters agree slavery and probably would introduce it into the nation if they could... well I DAMN WELL KNOW who my enemy is - and it is not some person overseas.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)But there is also the fact that, coupled with this, many of Trump's "working class whites" are mixing their class resentment with outright racism, as well as a hatred of any government power. Take Kentucky, a place that actually got millions ensured under Obamacare. However, Mitch McConnell was able to attack it, relying on the sheer age old hate in the culture, that someone is getting something that they do not deserve. Take a look at these articles, especially the vox one.
http://www.kentucky.com/latest-news/article120625648.html
"The percentage of Kentuckians without health insurance fell to 6 percent in 2015 from 15 percent in 2010 under the Affordable Care Act, according to new data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Only Nevada, Oregon and California posted larger percentage declines in uninsured. Kentucky now ranks below the national average of 9.4 percent.The department reported that 404,000 Kentuckians gained coverage between 2010 and last year, a number nearly equal to the combined population of Lexington and neighboring Madison County."
but what happens?
http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/13/13848794/kentucky-obamacare-trump
"Many expressed frustration that Obamacare plans cost way too much, that premiums and deductibles had spiraled out of control. And part of their anger was wrapped up in the idea that other people were getting even better, even cheaper benefits and those other people did not deserve the help. "
and what does Mitch McConnell get for in effect screwing over many of the poor whites? He gets to lead the charge to kill it, all the while not getting called out for several other things, like, not reporting Russian mischief.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article119216333.html
So, while I do agree that yes, a lot of white working class have been screwed, and while I could even armchair quarterback and ponder what could have and should have been done, the fact is, a lot of these same working class whites that are getting gilded halos painted upon them always demand one thing with all the help; the ability to say to anyone not them "You do not deserve the help." It is one thing to make sure your relative gets invited to the table, to make sure they get access to all the things they rightfully should have. But when they also demand the right to stab you with their forks, and then say "you do not get food, now go away or I will stab myself and you!", then do not be surprised if many of the people who fought for things like Obamacare look at you and go "really?"
We do want everyone at the table, even and especially the people who, it is true, have not been served, but we will not be expected to smile when after some forks stabs and glasses thrown, WE are expected to go to the kid's table because someone who gets rewarded for temper tantrums is going to get their way, at OUR expense, again.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)That said, if you don't tell me, demonstrate one way or another that you are deplorable, then I will treat you with every respect. But once you have exposed yourself verbally or by action, then I have zero compassion.
ileus
(15,396 posts)There are thousands of real reasons for us to hate them...and none for their hate.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. They not only approve of Russian interference in our elections. They are celebrating it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you..."
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Right here on DU. So sad.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That was a nice sentiment from HRC - would that more would follow it.
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)Democrats should let go of their hare by loving them some Trump. He is the enemy, after all.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just to be completely transparent.
treestar
(82,383 posts)even under president Orange Toxin.
womanofthehills
(8,706 posts)I don't have to love or hate them - they are just pathetically there.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)I utterly despise them. I will take great satisfaction when they start dying because trump is going to rip away their safety nets.
I reserve my empathy for those who fought against the twitler in chief.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is intense.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)for victims of a crime, not the perpetrators. We will be lucky if we can get through a trump precedency (lol) without a massive war. I hold no illusions equal rights will only apply to straight, white men. The more money they have the more rights they will enjoy. The attack and dismantling on SS, Medicare, Medicaid, the ACA and more is a given. People will die as a result. It is not if they will die, it is how many will die.
I will shed no tears when the perpetrators end up living and dying by the results of their vote. They are so far displaced from reality they actually believe they will be somehow exempt from the trump's policies. Sure trump can be impeached. But let me tell you a little secret, pence holds the same views and is also willing to lie, cheat and steal to make the same things happen as will all republicans in DC. They control all 3 houses of government and will change the make up of the Supreme court for decades. Imagine a SC with 4 Scalias. Imagine our public school system being forced to teach evolution is a myth, God created everything, 6,000 years ago. Then imagine that the case goes to the SC. Who agrees that teaching God created everything is another version of science. DeVos outed her gay brother practically on his death bed. How well do you think gay students will fare with her at the helm of education?
Imagine a gay Muslim wanting to come to the USA to avoid execution for being gay. Imagine him being denied entry to the US because he is Muslim and gay.
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)His name is Muhammed, and I've been in touch with him in Pakistan for over 5 years now. We always have to code all communications, but he has made it clear his conundrum:
In Pakistan, no one dares place anything but "Islam" in any official blank asking one's religious "preference", including Visa applications. He's been rejected for a visa for failure to prove direct family ties in the U.S., now with the Trumpeteer's notions of rejecting all applications, he's screwed.
Muhammed ran away from home at 16 to his aunt's home in the Punjab. Our stories are similar, I ran away from home to San Francisco at 16 to escape bullying and attempted murder by my father. Muhammed would be murdered at home, as an "honor killing". He is living on borrowed time, counting on that his family and other religious zealots there will not waste the resources to hunt him down. Muhammed is every bit as agnostic as I. He's seen the hypocrisy of the religious zealots.
I'm paying to send him to the local university for a bachelor's in software engineering. Hopefully, some day we can get more reasonable politicians that will lift unreasonable blanket restrictions that cause catch-22's like this.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)This isn't just political differences. This is a direct assault on humanity across the globe. We once stood for Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Now? What are we as a country now?
When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.
'I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding'
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
By Dustin Volz | WASHINGTON
More than 200 employees of technology companies including Alphabet Inc's (GOOGL.O) Google, Twitter Inc (TWTR.N) and Salesforce pledged on Tuesday to not help U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's administration build a data registry to track people based on their religion or assist in mass deportations.
<snip>
It continues: "We refuse to build a database of people based on their Constitutionally-protected religious beliefs. We refuse to facilitate mass deportations of people the government believes to be undesirable."
The letter vows to not participate in creating databases of identifying information for the U.S. government on the basis of race, religion or national origin, to minimize the collection or retention of data that could facilitate such targeting and to oppose any misuse of data at their respective organizations considered illegal or unethical.
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)and how much of it has more to do with that recent immigrants tend to vote democrat.
I'll bet an unfiltered look at the Donald's under the table employees would reveal many, many illegal workforce.
The man has no scruples.
Certainly Muhammed would tend to vote for friendly forces and not ones who want him deported, if he ever does get here.
"until representatives can figure out what's going on" Grrrrrumph. They can't even figure out climate change is real when whopped over the head with so much overwhelming evidence it all has to be willful ignorance. The same sort of "that there book larnin' don't do ya no good" benighted foolishness I ran away from as a teenager has taken this country hostage.
And some wonder at the copious usage of the term "deplorables"?
DLevine
(1,788 posts)We will all pay the price for their stupidity.
RedWedge
(618 posts)The dehumanizing language I've seen on DU over the past six months has been rising and I find it worrisome. You can have empathy without sympathy, support, endorsement or solidarity.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)No good can come from indulging the worst angels of our nature.
In fact, it is detrimental to the kind of positive change so desperately needed in this world.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)Well-put
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)"Human" is looking at how persons of color were openly assaulted at his rallies (often encouraged by Orange Lincoln Rockwell himself) and not seeing that as a deal-breaker?
"Human" is being OK with a VP who wants to end due legal and human rights?
"Human" is being OK with an admitted and serial sexual assaulter as President?
I don't and never will view them as human . . . I view them as pieces of shit who willfully just ruined our country. If relatives are in that Venn Diagram, so be it. They need to grow up and wake up. It's not all about them.
Stop normalizing hatred and bigotry. Legal human and civil rights aren't about "difference of opinion".
RedWedge
(618 posts)Humans are bigots. Bigotry is one of the most human traits we have. I agree that it's not about a difference of opinion. But pretending they aren't human is a terrible mistake.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,104 posts)Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
http://biblehub.com/luke/23-34.htm
Full disclosure: I am a freethinker, an atheist. But I'm also an ethical culture adherent.
People do stupid ill-advised things that hurt others as well as themselves.
You don't have to forgive them, just try to understand their lack of understanding.
RedWedge
(618 posts)Stronger, better, more right?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)for Osama bin Laden? for Judas Iscariot who Jesus "it would have been better had you never been born" ?
RedWedge
(618 posts)What do you gain?
Are you putting every Trump voter on the level of Hitler? Really?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Most of the Deplorables applaud his reach, few have his grasp, as of now.
RedWedge
(618 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)If it takes Hitler for you to find an example for someone for whom not to have empathy, then that's the line for you.
I do not have an unlimited supply of empathy. What I have gets used up on people who are victims of actual circumstance rather than those who have turned self-pity into an excuse for hateful behavior. I don't like the term "deplorables" but I have to admit it isn't far off the mark.
RedWedge
(618 posts)Do you work to build empathy?
nini
(16,672 posts)I'm curious what this does for you?
RedWedge
(618 posts)I am curious about what people feel they gain from withholding empathy.
nini
(16,672 posts)They gain the release of venting against those who enable those who want to destroy this country
People are venting, frustrated with those who vote against their best interest. It's hard to give a damn about what's going to happen to them when there are so many others who will also suffer because of them.
Does anyone 'gain' with that reaction other than blowing off some steam? Probably not but it's a human reaction to despise those have contributed to this nightmare we're heading into.
RedWedge
(618 posts)I'm then interested in the next steps, which is where my questions come from.
nini
(16,672 posts)Some will use that anger to work against the regime.
Some will just stay pissed and keep venting.
Some will fall into depression.
Some will give up and tune out.
It's like it's a stage of grieving.. it's a process to get through and each person has their own path. Some productive - some not.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Anyone who voted for Trump?
The "half" that Hillary said were "irredeemable?"
There is a difference. Just saying.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)are deplorable. People who have seen their jobs disappear, (and sometimes have to train their replacements,) are desperate, and willing to buy the snake oil Hair Fuehrer was selling.
That's the biggest difference.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)concerned with jobs and the economy voted for Hillary. That includes rural and urban voters.
So given that those whose vote was primarily about jobs and the economy didn't vote for Trump, which Trump voters are NOT deplorable?
MichMary
(1,714 posts)I would like to see them, because the people I know who voted for T-rump were very concerned about their jobs, and those of their friends and family.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)sexually assaulting women, calls Mexicans rapists, spends his life enriching himself at the expense of others, and I could go on and on, gets no empathy from me. We will have them to thank for all the pain and suffering to come.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)MichMary
(1,714 posts)The exit polls showed Clinton winning. If people were lying to the pollsters about who they voted for, maybe they also lied about why?
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)What i am hearing you say is; the tRump voters you know were willing to accept racism, bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia and all around hate because they had concerns about the economy?
The only policies tRumps had any detail about were racist , bigoted and xenophobic ... this was featured prominently (there is no pleading ignorance.
How do you classify a person will to accept (and promote) racism, bigotry and hate because they think it will benefit them? Isn't that exactly what racism is?
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Let's just toss OUT the fact that they didn't see the hate, racism, xenophobia, misogyny and anti-gay furor espoused throughout his campaign as a deal-breaker.
What would make them think that, given the historical and factual record from Republicans on jobs and stock market performance, Republican politicians, especially extremist right wing ones, would be their saviors?
Don't tell me they didn't know he wasn't going to select moderates or achieve some kind of balance. Don't tell me they didn't know this was going to happen prior to his being selected.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)included specific threats of what he would do to companies that shipped out jobs--like Carrier. 35% tariff! Punish those companies! Make them sorry! People whose jobs are in jeopardy WANTED to think the biggest bully on the playground would go to bat for them.
I know it won't happen, and I know that those jobs won't be coming back. But desperate people want to believe.
hatrack
(59,585 posts)They'll believe in alien abductions, and the Loch Ness Monster, and who knows, maybe even believe in the periodic table by the time President Baby Huey is done.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)They voted for a man that mocked a disabled man in front of thousands of people.
They voted for a man that spouted countless misogynistic, racist, and homophobic statements.
They voted for a man that bragged about sexually harassing and raping women.
For any decent human being, the above would be instant deal killers.
Yet they voted for this subhuman narcissistic cockroach anyways.
That makes them fucking scum. Oh, you want me to feel empathy for them? Sorry, I'm fresh out...
raccoon
(31,110 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Their backlash cometh. When things are difficult, you don't double down on difficulty.
ananda
(28,860 posts)They are just deplorable, and that is that.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Probably hadn't heard that word in 10 years before a few months ago, now I'm seeing dozens of DUers use it daily.
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)Wow.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Why should I have empathy for people who are suffering when they created their own problems?
I guess you can always find a reason to hate if you want to find one, or a reason to not care. You can even find other people to support you in your lack of compassion.
Don't expect me to play my trumpet for you.
"go ahead and hate your neighbor ...
do it in the name of heaven
justify it in the end...."
****
"I head the bells on Christmas day.
Their old familiar carols play
and wild and sweet the words repeat
of peace on earth, good will to men...
and in despair I bowed my head
'there is no peace on earth,' I said
'for hate is strong and mocks the song
of peace on earth good will to men.'
HW Longfellow
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Should I have had empathy for the Germans who gave Hitler a plurality in the 1932 German federal elections and an even larger one in the 1933 federal elections?
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)But you're not obligated to agree with it.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Some people thought they would be better represented and heard with Trump as president because he represented their ugly selves.
As some of us predicted they misread Trump's railing against Washington as genuine. And, they are going to be hurt as much as anyone else.
I personally think they should have access to jobs with higher wages, clean air, good schools for their kids, healthcare, etc even though they didn't vote in those interests.
It's a matter of not wanting anyone to suffer regardless of any offensive ideas they might have.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)They would physically harm you. They would physically harm me. They would physically harm us, if the could.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I would think it would take a larger sample size than what you have seen on TV to prove that they all meet your assumptions.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)We get a car, park it in a heavily pro-Trump neighborhood , festoon it with anti-Trump bumper stickers, and see what happens. I would add a man with an anti-Trump t shirt to the experiment but ethical social science experiments don't put their subject's lives at risks.
I would post the photoshopped memes of Trump leading his Jewish opponents to gas chambers posted by his Alt-Right devotees but I don't want my post hidden. The photoshopped meme of Trump in an SS suit of leading Bernie into the gas chamber was despicable.
Here is what the Deplorables did to Emmy Rossum:
Trump Supporters Are Reportedly Attacking Emmy Rossum on Twitter
The anti-Semitism isn't going anywhere.
http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/news/a50660/emmy-rossum-trump-supporters-anti-semitism/
If you do some research you can find myriad examples of Trump's followers using the N-word to attack African American journalists who have criticized him in the press.
Trump is taking us back to a very dark time.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Trump took advantage of something that was already brewing. More and more people started to get comfortable with the racism the were carrying after Obama got elected. They may have been biting their tongues but it was still there. It was also equal opportunity.
I personally saw Democratic members of the general assembly make fun of their black colleagues. There were Democrats who sponsored bills to allow the confederate flag to fly on the grounds of historical monuments. Trump voters are not the only ones who are racist.
Do you want the kids of loyal Democrats like those to suffer along with Trump voters? Would you rather they die than have healthcare?
I think we're better than that and we should want all people and their families to have educations, healthcare, education, and satisfying jobs.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)They are Deplorable too. That is messed up and sad on so many levels. We need to weed out every last one of them from our party.
keithbvadu2
(36,803 posts)Putin got his lackey Trump into the WH.
Joe Turner
(930 posts)because we want to win elections and be a relevant party again? Just throwing that one out there.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Fuck 'em.
Sid
Initech
(100,075 posts)Their treatment of us since the election has been completely unbearable. I can't tolerate their white supremacism, bigotry, and insensitivity. Not to mention the hate crimes and death threats we've been getting since the election. It's truly sickening the way they're treating us. And this is my empathy for them:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSP7Mg3yWWEWXOAzXnRybCAPYIYDoq51Ytl1ibs_BJ3_gsEdPa_
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Trump voters are fucking scum.
Vinca
(50,271 posts)They'll figure it out for themselves once the great orange savior lets them down and takes their safety net away. Sadly, the rest of us also have to deal with the same fate, but at least we know it's coming. The Trump supporters actually believe this is going to make them rich like their hero. As Judge Judy says, "Beauty fades, dumb is forever."
MFM008
(19,808 posts)They voted to allow the maggot to affect OUR lives and we'll beings. Damn them all.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Because understanding them is the first step to defeating them.
Because ultimately your lack of empathy means that you're more like them than you care to admit
That's three. You're welcome.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If I lack empathy for the German voters who gave Hitler and his National Socialist parties ever larger pluralities in the 1932 and 1933 federal elections and empowered the NAZIS to kill 6,000,000 of my co-religionists does that make me like them?
Is the murderer and the murdered equally morally culpable?
Idi Amin
Mussolini
Pol Pot
Stalin
Is empathy extended to them and their supporters?
Confronting evil is a virtue. It is not a vice.
I have glbtq friends who are more likely to get beat up or worse in Trump's America. I have Muslim friends who might end up being interned in Trump's America. I have undocumented friends leading productive lives in Trump's America whom he might deport. I will extend empathy to The victims of Trump and Deplorabilism.
No thank you or welcome is necessary.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)You'll never go far wrong by making too much of an effort to understand people. The truth is that every one of history's monsters thought they were the hero of the story, that they were doing the right thing and protecting the people and ideas that mattered most. You don't have to like them. You don't have to like anyone. But you do need to make an effort to understand them and realize that they're doing what they genuinely believe is right, based on their own fears and their own understanding of the world.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)fine, knock yourself out. What I don't get is the scolding, condescending posts that want to portray those of us who do not empathize with such people as being "more like them than you care to admit". My not empathizing with them will cause them no harm, unlike what their votes will cause all of us.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)They would harm us and people we care about, if they could.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)people to have empathy for and people not to?
Liberals have empathy for the poor, the oppressed. Right wingers do not.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I have no reason to forgive this latest group of trash either.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Many white people, from the time they were kids, have been brainwashed by their parents and other influential white people in their lives that people who fail in the USA, the "greatest country on Earth", have only themselves to blame for not following a particular set of actions -- e.g., work hard, stay out of trouble, etc.
Individualism is often promoted to extremes, with people deemed "self made men" while ignoring the social and economic infrastructures that helped them along the way. It gets taken to such an extreme sometimes that many white people stop feeling empathy for others who struggle.
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2010/04/neuroimage.html
In a rare neuroscience look at racial minorities, the study shows that African-Americans showed greater empathy for African-Americans facing adversity - in this case for victims of Hurricane Katrina - than Caucasians demonstrated for Caucasian-Americans in pain.
When their childhood instructions don't work out for them, it's not easy to cast them aside. Some of them will deem themselves failures (perhaps committing suicide) while others will look outward for explanations. Bottom line... they don't let go of their "rugged individualism" teachings very easily. Even if they receive various kinds of government aid, it's because they "earned it." It's almost criminal in their minds to get help otherwise!
The timing of events in this country didn't help matters. Many whites did well after WW2, but almost none of them understand how much this country benefited from pretty much every other industrial country being in shambles from bombings. It was a huge economic advantage for the USA. White people saw civil rights laws passed, women fighting for equal rights and other kinds of social upheavals in the 60's, around the same time that the post-WW2 "gravy train" of the 50's was vanishing.
Look at this "conservative narrative" and how it pretty much points to the 1950's as the ideal:
http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2012/08/21/in-the-magazine/trends-and-opinions/americas-painful-divide.html
Once upon a time, America was a shining beacon. Then liberals came along and erected an enormous federal bureaucracy that handcuffed the invisible hand of the free market. They subverted our traditional American values and opposed God and faith at every step of the way. Instead of requiring that people work for a living, they siphoned money from hardworking Americans and gave it to Cadillac-driving drug addicts and welfare queens. Instead of adhering to traditional American values of family, fidelity, and personal responsibility, they encouraged a feminist agenda that undermined traditional family roles. Instead of projecting strength to those who would do evil around the world, they cut military budgets, disrespected our soldiers in uniform, burned our flag, and chose negotiation and multilateralism. Then Americans decided to take their country back from those who sought to undermine it.
By the way, I don't really expect you to pity them! Many of them don't WANT pity because that goes against their individualistic view of the world.
I saw several white co-workers who were furious at President Obama for his "You didn't build that" comments in 2012. It was obvious to me that he was TRYING to get through their thick skulls that we're all dependent on each other and various infrastructures to be successful, at least partly, but that's something that many white people grapple to understand after their "John Wayne" infused teachings over the years.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Emilybemily
(204 posts)I hope they all suffer horribly when that orange stain ruins the country.
Thirties Child
(543 posts)I grew up in one of the most conservative areas of the country--a small town in the Great Plains. My exposure, through parents, newspaper editorials, education, church, was conservative. I emerged, as you might expect, conservative, or, according to your definition, a deplorable. Since 1957, when I graduated from college and married, I've lived in cities--Dallas, New Orleans, D.C., Atlanta. I was exposed to different attitudes, philosophies, politics. And emerged a Progressive. I look at my high school classmates and see what you define as deplorable, what I see as a product of their upbringing. The difference between most of them and me is that I had exposure, they didn't. I ask myself if I had stayed, if I hadn't been exposed to other ways of living and thinking, would I still be conservative. I can't honestly answer that question. Nor can I judge those who stayed. So, yes, I have empathy for them. We can't know what they've experienced, what they've been exposed to.
treestar
(82,383 posts)for us or for other people. I only have empathy for the really truly dumb ones who just didn't get it.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Many of them (especially white men) are so convinced that "individual strength" and "personal responsibility" are the main explanations for people's positions in life, their brains shut off if others try to challenge it.
In their minds, government is mostly "stealing" from good, hard working Americans and handing the money to others who aren't willing "to pull themselves up by their bootstraps."
I saw some white co-workers absolutely seething with anger when Obama made the "You didn't build that" comments in 2012. Obama was saying that we're all dependent on others at least to some extent, but those guys did NOT want to hear that!
Hillary Clinton's "It Takes a Village" book? Ridiculed.
Trying to explain concepts like white privilege to them is hopeless because they'll view it as a "phony excuse" for AA's.
I suspect the main way to win over some of them is to point out the many examples of "corporate welfare" in this country. That's something that their conservative propagandists avoid talking about.
treestar
(82,383 posts)even if pulling up your bootstraps you will need help. You'll need customers or people who will hire you. They like this idea they need no help from anyone. To a point of obsession.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)unpresidented2016
(11 posts)They're the same people who plugged their ears and wouldn't listen to anyone they considered too "establishment," after all. Trump's voters are far less liberal than the Democrats that progressives were so offended by during the primary. And we already know that the "economics" argument about who supported Trump was a big lie too. It was a cultural election spurred by white resentment, and we might have stopped it but for those on our own side who sabotaged us.
AllenJordan
(17 posts)Why would you stoop to their levels, be your own person. If that who you are then show no empathy.
blue cat
(2,415 posts)They are traitors who prefer Putin...screw them!
BRToldschool
(8 posts)I know this is an infuriating concept. Really, I do. To think that the people who were so rabidly against Hillary, are in any way, shape, or form, worthy of your consideration. Much less your respect. But there must come a point, amidst the endless hurling of epithets, when a mature human being stands up and says, "No more." Michelle Obama was right. They go low, we go high. Only, with "deplorables," we didn't go high. We went low. They (the Republicans) won, and we lost. Do we think that doubling down on calling names, is going to be any more effective in 2018 or 2020? I have family who voted both ways in November. Almost none of them were enthusiastic in either direction. More like, holding their noses. But I can tell you that every single Trump voter, remembered the "deplorables" smear. It was identical in tone and tact to Romney's oafish 47% comment. Until or unless we can get out of the comfortable habit of calling Trump voters names, we will have no traction. There is no inevitable demographic permanent majority on the horizon. Democrats need to go back to smiles and handshakes, not middle fingers and four-lettered tirades.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)My parents voted for Donald. My father is by far the most brainwashed and my mother just nods. In the past 25 years I've watched my father turn from a Perot voter in the 90s to what he is today. I've watched him eat up the Fox News propaganda to the tune of 3+ hours a day. I've watched the man with a Masters in Computer Science, that used to help me with Math and Science homework tell he Climate Change is a hoax. I've watched him grow to hate Muslims after 9/11. I've watched both my parents cling to religion as the sole reason they stayed together after "marital problem." Now they both hate transgendered people and Planned Parenthood.
After all of this I'm not angry at them, but sad. Because I know that they are also the two people that taught me and my siblings to love and help others. Lord knows they've put up with my issues for almost 30 years. I'm willing bet that many of Donald's voters have a similar stories.
I will never forgive the Republicans for what they've done to my parents. But like I said, most of the voters are the Republican's first victims. I also fear that the rest of us will be the next.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)A steady diet of Fox, Facebook, and emails from a rabid right wing brother have changed her from a moderate Democrat to a Trump cheerleader. It's not only sad, but frustrating.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)but I can't think of a reason to have a soft spot for them, either. For years, they hated on Obama for things that he didn't do and for being something that he's not. They believed and helped spread lies about the Clintons. They've invaded and trolled Democratic-leaning websites such as this. They called BLM "thugs" and chastised Kaepernick for his stance on the National Anthem without ever listening to what he had to say. They tell Black Americans and other people to get off the government's dole and go to work, yet most Blacks actually do have jobs, and most recipients of government benefits are White. Most of his supporters call themselves Christians, but voted for and defend a perverted bully. I can't feel sorry for people like that.