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highplainsdem

(62,152 posts)
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:17 AM Dec 2016

Wow. David Frum's tweets this morning on Trump's lying and narcissism

This started with tweets about the new poll showing a majority of Republicans falsely believe Trump won the popular vote, a fantasy Trump encouraged with his tweeting about Clinton supposedly getting millions of illegal votes.

https://twitter.com/davidfrum

Trump’s lying about the popular vote has dangerous real-world consequences


1) Trump, a textbook case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, will believe the lies he tells, after he tells them http://samvak.tripod.com/journal75.html


2) Meaning that Trump will live among ego-salving fantasies - a dangerous location for a president of the United States


3) Worse, Trump will surround himself by people who repeat his lies back to him: either a) abject creatives or b) sinister manipulators


4) Worse still: because the conservative media amplify Trump’s lies, the whole conservative world will lose touch with reality


5) Encouraging true believers - and compelling even pragmatists - to act en masse as if the lies were truth.


6) Among other negative consequences, this will encourage reckless political risk-taking by Republicans in Congress


7) It remains true that Republican candidates for president have won the national popular vote only once since 1988: 1 in 7 elections!


8) The party’s agenda is not popular in real-life. That would seem to suggest … caution.


9) Instead, it seems congressional Republicans are about to plunge ahead as if the country were clamoring for their program.
18 replies 103 retweets 200 likes


10) Some congressional Republicans surely know this not to be true. They dare not act on that knowledge


11) In 1965, 1981, 2009, new presidents changed national direction with clear democratic consent.


12) 2017 bids to be as activist as those prior years - but without the clear consent. How will that end? Not well, I fear.


BTW if you haven’t yet familiarized yourself with the symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, you should http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20025568




I can't help thinking that Frum has written this to reach the more concerned Republican electors in the Electoral College.

This makes the case that Trump is bad for the Republican Party, explaining how Trump will lead them down the wrong path.

And it sandwiches that argument in between two websites about narcissistic personality disorder. Which Trump so clearly exemplifies, and which is the basis of the argument that he's mentally unfit.
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Wow. David Frum's tweets this morning on Trump's lying and narcissism (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 2016 OP
I'm losing my concern about the "future of the Repub Party"... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #1
Personally, I'm not concerned about the GOP's future, either. But if Frum is trying to reach highplainsdem Dec 2016 #3
Understand.... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #5
but his one more voice azureblue Dec 2016 #16
US Supreme court case Zebley 1989-1992 Topsound Dec 2016 #20
Umm, yeah. Well - that's just, like...your opinion, man. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #23
Could you maybe edit your marybourg Dec 2016 #32
Fozzy Bear, is that you? Hekate Dec 2016 #33
I'd bet that most of them are too partisan and too brainwashed to give a F#ck. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #35
Kick for Frum Cha Dec 2016 #2
Goes double for me!! ailsagirl Dec 2016 #7
And, a double kick it is! Cha Dec 2016 #26
1 in 7 rumdude Dec 2016 #4
We always think that but it doesn't happen greymattermom Dec 2016 #15
Also, as Gore Vidal said, this is the United States of Amnesia. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #18
The key word is "think". Sorry, that train left the station....never to return. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #24
Crazy, isn't it? Ligyron Dec 2016 #38
piss on that guy anyway. KG Dec 2016 #6
Shhhhh. Jacob Boehme Dec 2016 #8
Too little and too late. Joe Bacon Dec 2016 #9
Classic case of buyers remorse. Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #10
While I agree that most of them radical noodle Dec 2016 #11
Maybe he'll get to have a show trial. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #36
Trump has a history of meth abuse azureblue Dec 2016 #12
I don't believe you. WinkyDink Dec 2016 #22
Dear Mr. Frum: 4 & 5: why the use of future tense? It's been that way for years. JHB Dec 2016 #13
Frum's the man rumdude Dec 2016 #14
We need 306 more Frums to abject to orange mango anus eom LittleGirl Dec 2016 #17
Frum, awhile ago, entered my short but growing list of admirable conservative patriots Hekate Dec 2016 #19
mine, too - and may I add my bro wordpix Dec 2016 #30
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #21
For what it's worth, Frum has been a rabid Trump hater all along OKNancy Dec 2016 #25
Narcissistic Personality Disorder Control-Z Dec 2016 #27
Confess your sins and become a liberal David. JHan Dec 2016 #28
get rid of the EC: #7- Repug pres candidates have won pop vote 1x since 1988 "1 in 7 elections" wordpix Dec 2016 #29
the whole conservative world will lose touch with reality hibbing Dec 2016 #31
People in the conservative "movement" think that George Orwell was writing instruction manuals Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #34
One wonders bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #37

Wounded Bear

(64,328 posts)
1. I'm losing my concern about the "future of the Repub Party"...
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:23 AM
Dec 2016

while I think the nation needs a strong opposition party, Repub have obviously sold whatever soul they have left in the pursuit of abject power and niceties like rules and conventions be damned.

Trump is a real and present danger to the existance of the country and our democratic institutions.

highplainsdem

(62,152 posts)
3. Personally, I'm not concerned about the GOP's future, either. But if Frum is trying to reach
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:45 AM
Dec 2016

the majority of electors who are Republicans, he has to point out the damage they'll be doing to their own party if they vote for Trump.

Topsound

(2 posts)
20. US Supreme court case Zebley 1989-1992
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 05:23 PM
Dec 2016

Why this never came up in the beginning I will never know ( maybe as I new someone this pertained to.)
Or its a fat goose for Gov. Agencies state. Wise or county.
Zebley case pertain to definition of disability for children and adults inacted by SSA. Implemented Under Ronald Regan ( hey President Obama I think he was already rolled over in his grave before this Soviet thing) term it found Children to have a more stringent definition than Adults in trying to qualify.
I dint know the exact # of those effected but alot. Do they know his was a violation as judge by the US Supreme court in 1992..
Shall we look into this as a american to help promote indep!endence or keep dependence as a form of job security.
I wonder if those affected during that period ever got justice as the Rhe US Supreme Court Stated.
So at least when the change of shift Regan to Bush
( 1989 )Republicw were in power. Bush couldnt carry on due to US Supreme court My goodness history repeats its self. wake Up Amerika.,

marybourg

(13,640 posts)
32. Could you maybe edit your
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:27 AM
Dec 2016

post when you get home and can type on a laptop instead of your phone, so that we can like understand it? Because I can't.

Crunchy Frog

(28,280 posts)
35. I'd bet that most of them are too partisan and too brainwashed to give a F#ck.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:11 AM
Dec 2016

They're part of the Frankenstein monster people like Frum helped to create.

 

rumdude

(448 posts)
4. 1 in 7
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:03 PM
Dec 2016

Just think about that. The Rethugs are going to overreach and piss off the majority in this country. When that happens - goodbye to the wretched Rethugs.

greymattermom

(5,807 posts)
15. We always think that but it doesn't happen
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 01:19 PM
Dec 2016

I think the voluntary military prevents it. When both men and women are drafted, folks will pay attention.

GoCubsGo

(34,915 posts)
18. Also, as Gore Vidal said, this is the United States of Amnesia.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:20 PM
Dec 2016

One would think that the near financial collapse that Dumbya and the republicans put this country through, as well as lying us into two wars, at the cost of at trillions of dollars, thousands of dead, and tens of thousands more maimed, would have destroyed them. Yet, here we go again. On steroids.

Ligyron

(8,006 posts)
38. Crazy, isn't it?
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:40 AM
Dec 2016

and now for another GrOPer presidency. What do they say about the definition of insanity?

Jacob Boehme

(789 posts)
8. Shhhhh.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:26 PM
Dec 2016

If you listen real close, you’ll hear that “giant sucking sound” old Ross Perot was always talking about. But in this case, it’s a Republican on his knees taking care of business.

Joe Bacon

(5,167 posts)
9. Too little and too late.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:27 PM
Dec 2016

Dr. FrankenFrum helped create the monster that got out of control. As far as I'm concerned he's getting what he deserves--purged from the Party in a Stalinist manuver.

radical noodle

(10,595 posts)
11. While I agree that most of them
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:35 PM
Dec 2016

unwittingly helped create this monster, I do applaud those who hold out that Trump is a maniac with no business in the White House. Frum continues to daily speak out about Trump and his unfitness to lead. We don't have to like the rest of his ideology to approve of his unwillingness to bend to the remainder of the rest of the party about Trump.

Crunchy Frog

(28,280 posts)
36. Maybe he'll get to have a show trial.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:18 AM
Dec 2016

Maybe Putin will even lease Trump a Siberian gulag to keep people like him in.

azureblue

(2,728 posts)
12. Trump has a history of meth abuse
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:49 PM
Dec 2016

in prescription form, of course. That is why he acts like that.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
13. Dear Mr. Frum: 4 & 5: why the use of future tense? It's been that way for years.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:52 PM
Dec 2016

Basically the entire time of your professional career. And you were part of how it got that way.

 

rumdude

(448 posts)
14. Frum's the man
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 01:06 PM
Dec 2016

He's been against Trump from the beginning. He speaks out against every day on Twitter. Frum represents everything that Trump supporters are not: he's thoughtful, honest, and brave.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
19. Frum, awhile ago, entered my short but growing list of admirable conservative patriots
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:58 PM
Dec 2016

Will wonders never cease

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
30. mine, too - and may I add my bro
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:02 AM
Dec 2016

A republican always but a Never Trumper now and he voted for HRC

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
25. For what it's worth, Frum has been a rabid Trump hater all along
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 09:05 PM
Dec 2016

It's not "buyers remorse"

I've followed him on twitter for some time now. When I first did I made a joke about hell freezing over. He is one of the most rational and thoughtful critics of Trump and the Trump followers.

Control-Z

(15,686 posts)
27. Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 09:26 PM
Dec 2016

is all that needs to be said to those who have experience with, or are educated about, the disorder. There is no hope or cure for the self centered, deplorable, behavior of a malignant narcissist.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
29. get rid of the EC: #7- Repug pres candidates have won pop vote 1x since 1988 "1 in 7 elections"
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:00 AM
Dec 2016

"Republican candidates for president have won the national popular vote only once since 1988: 1 in 7 elections"

If that isn't enough to dump the EC, I don't know what is.

hibbing

(10,598 posts)
31. the whole conservative world will lose touch with reality
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:12 AM
Dec 2016

Will? I think that happened quite a while ago.


Peace

Crunchy Frog

(28,280 posts)
34. People in the conservative "movement" think that George Orwell was writing instruction manuals
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 05:08 AM
Dec 2016

rather than warnings.

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