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RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:21 PM Dec 2016

Serious question: Why are so many older white men so mean and angry looking/acting. I see

Last edited Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:43 AM - Edit history (1)

a lot of older people, and they seem to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders. I don't get it. They also look so snarly. I notice it mostly in the US.

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Serious question: Why are so many older white men so mean and angry looking/acting. I see (Original Post) RKP5637 Dec 2016 OP
I'm older radical noodle Dec 2016 #1
Yeah, Trump, is enough to push any sane person over the edge! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #13
Heck I've been shoved over the edge madokie Dec 2016 #27
I hate to play the gender card bdamomma Dec 2016 #61
I think there's something to that Yupster Dec 2016 #65
Television ghostsinthemachine Dec 2016 #2
One of my friends was saying the other day if you listen to Rush Limbaugh, some Alex Jones and RKP5637 Dec 2016 #12
yes those right wing bdamomma Dec 2016 #63
This is it. Garbage in, garbage out. BluesRunTheGame Dec 2016 #20
On November 9th I fired CNN, MSNBC, fox, and CNBC by downgrading my satellite service so I still_one Dec 2016 #34
I don't watch M$M much. I see it as mostly propaganda outlets. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #77
Isn't that the truth still_one Dec 2016 #86
Because our lives haven't ended up like we thought they would, and we're out of time... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #3
I always try to be happy. Generally life, at least for me, doesn't always go as expected. I often RKP5637 Dec 2016 #10
I agree, but not every one can handle it so well. TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #11
Yep, and many have had it far far worse. Sometimes some really serious sh** happens, really no ones RKP5637 Dec 2016 #14
What you just said describes my husband marlakay Dec 2016 #108
Because white privilege isn't what it used to be, and neither is male privilege. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #4
Yes, I can see that, life now passing them by. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #9
This. DURHAM D Dec 2016 #18
Neither is American privilege SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #50
Yep! This is creating a lot of stress in America, that plus jobs replaced by automation, RKP5637 Dec 2016 #53
An apt addition to the list. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #54
To hide insecurities and feelings of inadequacy, maybe. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #5
Yes, I think a lot of this could be behind it. I think it's hard not to be fearful of something as RKP5637 Dec 2016 #7
Don't discount physical pain. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2016 #6
Yes, definitely!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #8
Sigh Kolesar Dec 2016 #30
FOX KT2000 Dec 2016 #15
Fox, a hateful dosage of lies, distortions and hatred. It's no wonder! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #24
Yikes. BigDemVoter123 Dec 2016 #16
No! RKP5637 Dec 2016 #78
Cause all you damn kids riding your skateboards with your baggy pants don't listen. NightWatcher Dec 2016 #17
Well well,being older than dirt, Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #19
Yep, I grew up in a time when people seemed to share more, care more about each other. RKP5637 Dec 2016 #26
Thanks,had a Rellie tell me that yesterday. Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #83
Maybe it's just what is called a "resting bitch face" JI7 Dec 2016 #21
I do think that's some of it, and they smile back! Some of it I guess is when you age muscles RKP5637 Dec 2016 #29
Plus 1 emulatorloo Dec 2016 #84
Low testosterone levels SticksnStones Dec 2016 #22
That well could be it for some and they might not even realize it. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #33
Because they grew up in a world where being white and male guaranteed a good life. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #23
Sad, but true for many. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #35
This treestar Dec 2016 #49
LOL - I'll have to point this post out to my husband. Vinca Dec 2016 #25
LOL RKP5637 Dec 2016 #32
"The Brainwashing of My Dad" might provide some insight. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #28
Yes, I think this is the crux of it all. Failed promises, failed lives and propaganda/hatred for RKP5637 Dec 2016 #39
THIS is my father now. inanna Dec 2016 #97
Feel ya. It's been my dad since the 1980$. HughBeaumont Dec 2016 #100
You say that whathehell Dec 2016 #31
I used to travel internationally, now in the US. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #36
It is a look HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #37
Definitely, I see a lot of RBF. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #40
I See It Too, And I'm An Older White Guy ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #38
Same here. I look like a kid next to these guys. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #41
What's The Deal With That? ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #42
It could be just genetics. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #43
Nearly All Of Them? ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #82
well hopefully bdamomma Dec 2016 #67
The country is now a Shithole, and I don't see any effort to make it better. Paladin Dec 2016 #44
I've been seeing it for awhile. You're right, the country is going to be a shithole and probably RKP5637 Dec 2016 #45
Tell them to smile. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #46
... RKP5637 Dec 2016 #47
Boy I know bdamomma Dec 2016 #74
I'm hoping it's able to swing back without violence. There seems to be such a grip with RW RKP5637 Dec 2016 #85
. PunkinPi Dec 2016 #79
Did you really start a thread just so you could insult a demographic segment? Bucky Dec 2016 #48
I am that demographic segment! Hardly insulting! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #51
Based on age & race, they look "mean and angry" - yes, that's insulting Bucky Dec 2016 #71
Sorry you feel that way. It was not meant to be. Maybe it's the area I live in. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #81
I didn't think that was the purpose treestar Dec 2016 #88
Everyone likes to insult who they like to insult SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #52
Hmmm Bucky Dec 2016 #56
Goodness. You're so oppressed by a question regarding demographics. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #94
they are afraid bdamomma Dec 2016 #55
I think that's a lot of it. I don't think our society treats older people very well. A lot of RKP5637 Dec 2016 #58
Yes. I agree. inanna Dec 2016 #96
Wow! Talk about painting with a broad brush!!! NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #57
Excellent point!!! Thanks!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #60
You're very welcome NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #104
... RKP5637 Dec 2016 #105
Nobless Oblige, perhaps? TXCritter Dec 2016 #59
What has really torqued me is what you discussed, as well as this last election. This, is the RKP5637 Dec 2016 #64
I like looking mean and grouchy. It's my natural appearance. Zorro Dec 2016 #62
Yep, it's like a suit of armor. I've met people like that, and then when they find out I'm not an RKP5637 Dec 2016 #69
I'm on the SF MUNI NewsomeSF Dec 2016 #66
Welcome to DU! panader0 Dec 2016 #75
This is one of the weirdest OPs I've ever seen. RedWedge Dec 2016 #68
Yeah, it is. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #70
They live in insular worlds. They feed off of each other's orneriness. Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #72
One thing that bothers me is being lumped into a group moda253 Dec 2016 #73
Definitely!!! "People need to work together. There are plenty of white males that are not angry. RKP5637 Dec 2016 #76
thank you bdamomma Dec 2016 #80
Very true treestar Dec 2016 #87
I have found the opposite to be the case oberliner Dec 2016 #89
I think it's where I live. Too republican and too much money. Seriously! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #91
Maybe so oberliner Dec 2016 #92
Yes, I've found that to be quite true too. I don't get it here. They have everything and are cranky. RKP5637 Dec 2016 #95
Can I ask where you live? oberliner Dec 2016 #101
SE. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #102
Oh I think there are a lot of reasons... inanna Dec 2016 #90
that must be really painful for you... I'm very sorry renate Dec 2016 #99
Thank you. For your kind words. inanna Dec 2016 #106
Thank you for your thoughtful response. Many clinging to the past, in sort a mix of the future and RKP5637 Dec 2016 #103
Hello. inanna Dec 2016 #107
They must not live in a warm weather state. ileus Dec 2016 #93
I'm 68 and I'm quite a nice and smart woman lunatica Dec 2016 #98

radical noodle

(7,997 posts)
1. I'm older
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:25 PM
Dec 2016

and I've been looking particularly mean (although I'm female) because I'm mad as hell that Trump will be president! Other than that, I'm a pretty happy gal.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
61. I hate to play the gender card
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:27 AM
Dec 2016

but women think differently than men, we are more nurturing, and we are not quick to start a freaking war/s and we are more pragmatic. Don't shoot the messenger, just my opinion.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
65. I think there's something to that
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:35 AM
Dec 2016

Women are hard wired to be nurturing. Men are hard wired to be protectors.

They see their strength waning, and the community/country they protected is changing and they are powerless to stop it.

The deposed silverback isn't happy.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
2. Television
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:26 PM
Dec 2016

Get up, turn on the TV, watch the news, go work, come home and watch FOXgnus, then a scripted drama about cops of every stripe or two, then off to bed.Repeat a million times.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
12. One of my friends was saying the other day if you listen to Rush Limbaugh, some Alex Jones and
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:52 PM
Dec 2016

then Sean Hannity, and then you really need to go to weeks of anger management classes.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
63. yes those right wing
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:30 AM
Dec 2016

media outlets are brainwashing people into believing total BS. And they are believing it.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
34. On November 9th I fired CNN, MSNBC, fox, and CNBC by downgrading my satellite service so I
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:31 AM
Dec 2016

essentially just get locals.

I had been thinking about this since 2000. Not only with the way they ridiculed Al Gore, but the unfettered access they gave to the swift pukes against John Kerry.

This election was the final straw for me.

I read the NY Times, BBC, and other sources, so I have no problem being informed. While no medium is perfect, the written media from established newspapers are light years ahead in their reporting of the news and current events then the sorry excuse we have for the television "news".

When CNN entertains the question, "are Jews people"?

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/21/cnn-reaches-debating-trump-admit-jews-people.html

or 11 days before the election MSNBC was the first network to report that "the email investigation had been reopened", a LIE, as breaking news, and then proceeded for the next hour to parade every right wing politician across the television screen propagating that lie, one needs to ask, what kind of propaganda bullshit am I being fed?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. Because our lives haven't ended up like we thought they would, and we're out of time...
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:29 PM
Dec 2016

No I'm not one of those snarling old farts, but I do understand the problem.

But, I don't blindly throw blame around, and I really don't know what to do about it. I just know that at least half of my problems are my own fault.



RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
10. I always try to be happy. Generally life, at least for me, doesn't always go as expected. I often
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:48 PM
Dec 2016

wish I could go back and tweak a few things, but that's over, long over. As one of my friends used to say you often have to live as best you can for the moment and not dwell on the past, and not fret a whole lot about the future, because, who knows ...

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
14. Yep, and many have had it far far worse. Sometimes some really serious sh** happens, really no ones
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:56 PM
Dec 2016

fault.

marlakay

(11,425 posts)
108. What you just said describes my husband
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:30 AM
Dec 2016

He deals with a lot of depression because of not accepting his life didn't turn out like he wanted.

Upset his kids aren't close to him.

I get along with my step daughter almost more than him because she wants a happy life and feels like her dad pulls her down, she is in late 20's.

I barely got him to vote and for Hillary, basically he is mad at the world.

And we are on the left so its not just right wing men upset.

lindysalsagal

(20,581 posts)
4. Because white privilege isn't what it used to be, and neither is male privilege.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:32 PM
Dec 2016

Being white and male used to be the key to just about everything.

It no longer is, and for that, I am grateful.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
53. Yep! This is creating a lot of stress in America, that plus jobs replaced by automation,
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:19 AM
Dec 2016

etc. Even some drs., for example, will find their jobs going away because of really advanced computer systems technology in the future, some of it here now. My dad worked with the same company for 40 years, had good retirement and healthcare. That's long gone. Many companies don't even last that long now.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
5. To hide insecurities and feelings of inadequacy, maybe.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:33 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackson-katz/rush-limbaugh-and-the-mob_b_279696.html
Limbaugh regularly takes (white) men’s sadness, disappointment and apprehension - about a range of political and personal subjects — and interprets it for them as anger. This is effective, in part, because for so many men, anger is much less treacherous emotional terrain than other emotions - and much more socially acceptable.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
7. Yes, I think a lot of this could be behind it. I think it's hard not to be fearful of something as
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:41 PM
Dec 2016

one ages in the US, and then that fear transferred to anger. Also, of course, there is always risk in being friendly, the fear of rejection. In anger, one does not have to fear that. It's a damn shame that hucksters like Limbaugh and his ilk make a load of money off of this.

KT2000

(20,568 posts)
15. FOX
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:08 AM
Dec 2016

I live in a town that has lots of retirees. I see it all the time - pissed off people - and many of them have a lot of security such as 2 homes, an RV, two or more cars, riding lawnmower, etc.
Guys who work at their homes have told me that is what they run into all the time. They have so much but are angry at the world.
I have seen and heard some men turn a line at checkout into their personal editorial address to the people stuck there. Forget knocking on their doors for politics or community issues - they are suspicious and angry right off the bat. All they want to do is find someone else to listen to their complaints that fox feeds to them.

They are filled with hate, as in brainwashing by fox.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
17. Cause all you damn kids riding your skateboards with your baggy pants don't listen.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:21 AM
Dec 2016

In my day, we showed respect and we didn't do selfies and dicks pics. There's nothing funny about cats.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
19. Well well,being older than dirt,
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:52 AM
Dec 2016

and seeing what just happened to our Country,really has me a bit edgy to say the least. Seen this Movie before and am very worried as to what is going to happen to our Adult Children and Grand Kids. When you grew up in poverty and all your friends were in the same boat,ask anyone of them who were able to escape poverty,what matters most. Every one will tell you,I want a better life for our Children and Grand Children. Many of old People see the seeds of our youth returning and we are with out a doubt angry for seeing all our hard work being destroyed. You leave it better than you received it . And then you have what has always been called the Greedy Geezer Crowd,just a bunch of old White People who run around worried sh*tless someone might take their toys away. They well tell you straight up,screw you I ain't sharing.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
26. Yep, I grew up in a time when people seemed to share more, care more about each other.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:14 AM
Dec 2016

Today, it seems to be more and more about who can rip others apart. Your last sentence says it all and I agree!

"And then you have what has always been called the Greedy Geezer Crowd,just a bunch of old White People who run around worried sh*tless someone might take their toys away. They well tell you straight up, screw you I ain't sharing."

JI7

(89,239 posts)
21. Maybe it's just what is called a "resting bitch face"
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:36 AM
Dec 2016

say hi to them and they might smile and say hi back.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
29. I do think that's some of it, and they smile back! Some of it I guess is when you age muscles
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:21 AM
Dec 2016

relax and all so it looks like frowns, etc. when it really isn't. That is an interesting description, "resting bitch face." I've seen some pictures of myself, and they sure weren't good!

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
22. Low testosterone levels
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:39 AM
Dec 2016
http://www.everydayhealth.com/mens-health/low-testosterone-can-make-men-grumpy.aspx


Low Testosterone Can Make Men Grumpy

Men who find themselves feeling grumpy for no reason may be suffering from low testosterone, an under-diagnosed condition that can leave you with low energy and a blue mood.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,816 posts)
23. Because they grew up in a world where being white and male guaranteed a good life.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:46 AM
Dec 2016

The expression "Free, white, and 21" left out being male, but it was always understood by those who heard that phrase.

Starting in the late 1960's things began to change. Affirmative action. Title IX. More women going to college. Women taking control of their own lives in so many ways. Persons of color challenging the status quo.

To the old white men, they think they've lost everything. In reality, they are finally competing on a more level playing field, but they won't be happy until it goes back to what it was in the 1950s.

We can all take comfort in the fact that they are old, and will eventually die off.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
49. This
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:56 AM
Dec 2016

one of my sister's in laws is like that. Has a great house, big yard, enough money to work on it and improve it often, camper with beach plot, retired, has time to just enjoy life. Always the victim at family gatherings, of the government, other people getting something for nothing, all people he does not know that are somehow making his life unhappy.

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
25. LOL - I'll have to point this post out to my husband.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:12 AM
Dec 2016

Today is an unusual day. We've been up for over an hour and he hasn't started yelling about Trump yet.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
28. "The Brainwashing of My Dad" might provide some insight.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:21 AM
Dec 2016
Said documentarian pinpoints different times in her father's life when he changed; got more politically angered, prejudiced and stirred up. A lot of the blame goes towards AM Talk Radio, and then Faux.

The glacial plan that Paul Weyrich, Lewis Powell and others laid into place in the 1960s created the swaths of grouchy assholes you see today.

The 45-60 white male age group has also seen a spike in suicides in recent years. It's likely for all of the reasons listed above - they believed the world was their oyster, they would have a job for life and be gainfully employed, and would be able to retire as their fathers did . . . and soon became crushingly despondent when they realized they were sold a ginormous LIE.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
39. Yes, I think this is the crux of it all. Failed promises, failed lives and propaganda/hatred for
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:44 AM
Dec 2016

profit now AKA Fox News, Alex Jones and the herd. Now, they have Trump, who will take them down further, a downward spiral by falling for propaganda, Joseph Goebbels style, and they still don't get it. And, one can't clue them in, because they know everything and are so damn polarized. Everyone isn't this way, but you do come across them.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
100. Feel ya. It's been my dad since the 1980$.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016

The only break came when he voted for John Kerry in 2004 when he became sick of W and his idea to privatize SS. He retired the next year. Thankfully, that stupid idea never came to pass.

Since then, it's been all idiots.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
37. It is a look
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:38 AM
Dec 2016

Not unique to older men. Sullen is sexier than smiling. I see it in Instagram pics of 15 year old girls, Hispanic rappers, etc. In millennial women, there is even a term for it, RBF, which you can Google yourself.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
38. I See It Too, And I'm An Older White Guy
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:44 AM
Dec 2016

I mean look at Comey. That guy is younger than me and he looks like an old man. Always dour and sour to boot.

I know i'm not posting a picture of myself, but trust me, he looks 10 years older than me, and iirc, he's 4 years younger.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
42. What's The Deal With That?
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:59 AM
Dec 2016

I have a job that requires focus and energy, just like them. And he wasn't FBI director his whole damn life. At some point he was just another lawyer. (And politician, obviously.)

He's barely older than Obama and looks 20 years older than Obama does, and Obama had the stress of POTUS for 8 freaking years.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
67. well hopefully
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:37 AM
Dec 2016

tRump will blow a gasket, hoping that we are NOT in his way when he does. tRump is not a well man either mentally or physically, those tanning beds can do some damage!!

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
44. The country is now a Shithole, and I don't see any effort to make it better.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:15 AM
Dec 2016

You want laughs and chuckles? Go find an old "I Love Lucy" show and watch it.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
45. I've been seeing it for awhile. You're right, the country is going to be a shithole and probably
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:24 AM
Dec 2016

worse. It's not just Trump, but the army of creatures behind him. I can't see how any of this is going to work out well. And for those who voted him in, most had best kiss everything goodbye. He's not their friend. They were stooges/losers used for their vote.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
74. Boy I know
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:44 AM
Dec 2016

I have a long wait...........sigh.... but I hope that pendulum swings back hard to the LEFT again and when it does wipe out those who are NOT tolerant of other people.



Right wing dictators are coming back even in European countries. I hope Angela Merkel will be okay. Putin is very happy that the US is out of the way.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
85. I'm hoping it's able to swing back without violence. There seems to be such a grip with RW
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:29 PM
Dec 2016

dictators. I think that's Trump's goal, and then with his alliance with Putin ... and the cast of characters he has ushered into the US gov. with him.

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
48. Did you really start a thread just so you could insult a demographic segment?
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:55 AM
Dec 2016

How does spreading hate & divisiveness help anybody?

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
71. Based on age & race, they look "mean and angry" - yes, that's insulting
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:40 AM
Dec 2016
"What are so many older white men so mean and angry looking/acting."

I think you meant "Why" not "What," but this isn't a syntax lesson. It's as ethics lesson.

Your argument that you can't be insulting to a particular group of people because you're in that same group makes about as much sense as a black guy wearing a robe and burning a cross saying he's not a terrorist.

The sense of your post is to shame and insult white people who are older and male based on the way they look. It is unethical to judge people by their ethnicity or age or looks.

You should judge people by their actions and their words. And if you are interested in making your country a better place, you should use your own words to fight Trump & his affiliates, not to divide us up further with new resentments based on accidents of birth.

If you want to live in a world with less prejudice, you need to stay being the change you want to see and quit feeding that hate.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
88. I didn't think that was the purpose
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:35 PM
Dec 2016

It's a general observation perhaps, like the general observation that lots of young people have tattoos these days. We all know there are exceptions. We are that intelligent. We know OP didn't probably do a study by numbering the white men and determining whether they looked grumpy.

Older white men as a demographic are Republican, so it's not so far out there to make a generalization that the grumpy ones are those. And the reasons for that - loss of white privilege, seeing America change, pain (they are old), resting bitch face (their generation's tough guy culture) all kinds of explanation have been given.

 

SubjectiveLife78

(67 posts)
52. Everyone likes to insult who they like to insult
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:18 AM
Dec 2016

Your level of tolerance for these things depends on your particular perspective, which is different for different people. To practice some form of hypocrisy is to be human. Always has been, always will be. We're all guilty of that at some point, to some degree.

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
56. Hmmm
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:25 AM
Dec 2016

I'm pretty intolerant of demographics-based politics. I will try and figure out what my personal hypocrisy is.

Thank you for the thought provoking response.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
94. Goodness. You're so oppressed by a question regarding demographics.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:17 PM
Dec 2016

Goodness. You're so very oppressed by a mere question regarding demographics.

Quickly now! Refer to a false equivalency to better rationalize your offense.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
58. I think that's a lot of it. I don't think our society treats older people very well. A lot of
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:26 AM
Dec 2016

people have a really rough time of it, and now threats about Medicare, Social Security and all. ... plus combine that with health issues. It can be pretty bad.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
57. Wow! Talk about painting with a broad brush!!!
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:25 AM
Dec 2016

Good grief. I know a lot of "older white men." Not sure what you mean by "older" Older than what? But okay, older. Some of them are indeed "snarly" as you put it. Most of them are just normal people, sometimes angry or (more frequently) irritated or annoyed, but generally reasonably happy, normally polite.

If you watch Dump rallies and Fox UnNews, the mean and angry types are indeed what you will see, and that makes it look like the huge majority of "older" white men are "snarly." Or if you see them on a packed train, where everyone's angry, you'll see the older white men angry too.

 

TXCritter

(344 posts)
59. Nobless Oblige, perhaps?
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:26 AM
Dec 2016

I'm white, male and 50. I grew up comfortably but awake and aware. I've known about Climate change since I was ten years old. I've endured Reagan, Bush, Cheney and all their cohort. I've seen what they are doing and I've been doing what I can to counter it.

I live in the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world. I am part of a subset of our species that, collectively, has the ability to destroy this planet. I've been fighting against that and losing most of my life.

Yeah, I'm angry. Yeah, I have the weight of the world on my shoulders. Thank God I didn't create any children to pass this mess onto.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
64. What has really torqued me is what you discussed, as well as this last election. This, is the
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:35 AM
Dec 2016

best this nation can do, the crap Trump and his cohorts spewed, and then he is elected president, and then he ushers in this cast of horrible individuals. Same here!!! "Yeah, I'm angry. Yeah, I have the weight of the world on my shoulders. Thank God I didn't create any children to pass this mess onto."

I keep thinking it will end, but it continues on, FFS, now with this character Trump.

Zorro

(15,722 posts)
62. I like looking mean and grouchy. It's my natural appearance.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:29 AM
Dec 2016

It also keeps the real assholes away from me.

I look like someone they don't want to engage with, and if they do, they find out I really am someone they shouldn't have engaged with.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
69. Yep, it's like a suit of armor. I've met people like that, and then when they find out I'm not an
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:39 AM
Dec 2016

asshole they warm up and are very friendly. It's almost necessary these days.

 

NewsomeSF

(5 posts)
66. I'm on the SF MUNI
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:36 AM
Dec 2016

Surrounded by mostly Asian and Latino riders. It's definitely genetics and the effects of aging. It appears as if we are heading to a funeral.

 

moda253

(615 posts)
73. One thing that bothers me is being lumped into a group
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:42 AM
Dec 2016

One thing that bothers me is being lumped into a group that hates women, oppresses minorities, and wants everyone on earth to suffer.

I know I am not these things and so I try not to let it bother me but it does get tiring to hear things like this constantly. I understand my own white privilege or at least I understand it to the degree that I am able to. Same with my own sexism that had been ingrained in me through societal norms and my upbringing. I didn't begin understanding these things by someone screaming at me. I began to understand these things through various relationships throughout my life. There is nothing more that I would like to be able to identify outwardly that I recognize people that look like me have been part of the problem but that I desperately do not want to be one of them. But I don't get to do that because I am white male. Unfortunately, it isn't enough to try and be a part of the solution, we need to be punished as well. However, as long as that tactic keeps getting rolled out there will be more of what happened in this election. The only way anything changes for any meaningful amount of time is working together.

People need to work together. There are plenty of white males that are not angry. We just want to be known as good people that want to help as much as we can in any way that we can.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
76. Definitely!!! "People need to work together. There are plenty of white males that are not angry.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:46 AM
Dec 2016
We just want to be known as good people that want to help as much as we can in any way that we can."

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
80. thank you
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:59 AM
Dec 2016

we all do not want to lump people into categories'. There exceptions to the rule. There are still good people out there.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
87. Very true
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:31 PM
Dec 2016

we should not look at an old white man, even if grumpy, and assume he is a right wing nut. That's wrong. Now if you hear wing nut crap from him, that's another thing. Other stereotypes apply too. There are old white men with long gray hair in a ponytail, and we can't assume they are liberal, though we might want to, and the reverse for one in a baseball cap.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
89. I have found the opposite to be the case
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:37 PM
Dec 2016

Most older white men are kind and friendly looking/acting.

Where exactly have you encountered this observation you describe?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
92. Maybe so
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:13 PM
Dec 2016

I spent a lot of time at various area retirement communities and nursing homes, and I find most folks there to be very kind and friendly - especially impressive in light of what many are going through.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
95. Yes, I've found that to be quite true too. I don't get it here. They have everything and are cranky.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:22 PM
Dec 2016

Maybe they listen to too much Fox News. Seriously.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
90. Oh I think there are a lot of reasons...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:56 PM
Dec 2016

My Dad grew up in a very homogeneous society in a small Canadian city - where things were very vanilla and for the most part: predictable. Dad was born 1942 - during the war. His Dad was very racist and very, very socially conservative. In his daily life as a child, Dad encountered white protestants (like himself) or white catholics. Everybody else was "strange" or foreign. Multi-culturalism under Trudeau was not yet a "thing."

All the "bad" stuff in that society like rampant alcoholism, wife-beating, child abuse or family incest...were very common situations that were simply hidden away. People didn't talk about it, but nearly every family had one or two of those skeletons in the closet. In that upside down world, the "bad" people seemed to be the ones who did talk about the hidden stuff, the ones who brought "shame" upon the family.

I think in the sixties and seventies, my Dad became a bit confused by the civil rights and women's movements. A smart man, he understood these things on an intellectual level. But his own upbringing had created a strange mental and psychological filter. For example, abortion. He firmly believes in a woman's right to choose, yet strangely longs for the days when girls still wore poodle skirts: the 'feminine' fashion sense of the 40's and 50's. In his mind, it's also perfectly fine for a woman to work outside the home. But women oddly shouldn't talk "too much" about politics. They should never swear. He was a semi-modern man - to a point.

Pierre Elliot Trudeau tripped some kind of wire in my Dad's brain. It was from that point onward that Dad gradually became more and more entrenched in his conservatism. At first, it was some kind of instinctual backlash against multi-culturalism. By this point, it was becoming awkward for me. I had friends of all different ethnicities. It could be quite painful to see how two-faced he really was at times. Nice to my Pakistani friend -until her parents arrived to collect her. Then he'd start with the stereo-typing. It angered me then, as a child. But I'd been raised in a fairly orthodox manner - you didn't back talk or disrespect your parents, unless you wanted the belt.

Things started to change once I became a teenager. By that point, I would engage him. I would debate. I would defend my friend from Jamaica. And you've never heard so much vitriol pour out of a man's mouth! I think the bottom line was my Dad felt as though I was rejecting all the values he'd been trying to instill in me. I wasn't rejecting everything. I believed in honesty, family, etc. I was beginning to reject the racism, the anti-liberalism, the "cute" little remarks he'd make about gay people. Dinner time was no longer peaceful and quiet in our home - it'd become more like a damn battle field as I began to assert myself.

These grumpy old men that you are talking about are stuck in a very romanticized fantasy of their own past - their generation. They remember the good things from that era, but fail to remember the bad. The media has played a tremendous role in this as well. The news never used to be like it is now. There was no Fox. There wasn't "infotainment." There was no internet where you could surround yourself with like-minded people - the modern day echo-chambers. I can see the impact Alex Jones, Fox News, etc., has had on my father. It's all caused him to become much more extreme in his senior years. He's become a fist-thumping, ranting and raving conservative caricature.

I suspect my own father visits Storm Front. I'm not certain, but it's an uncanny feeling I have. And if true, then even his own (racist) father would be rolling in his grave. My grandfather fought in the war - he was a sailor in the Canadian navy. My grandfather, imperfect as he was, at least had the common decency to despise the nazi mindset. My own father? I'm no longer sure about that.

And it's frightening.

renate

(13,776 posts)
99. that must be really painful for you... I'm very sorry
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:10 PM
Dec 2016

To see somebody you love change like that is so sad.

I wonder why right-wing media is so defined by anger. Not by an honest disagreement about how to make the world a better place or anything justifiable like that... just ANGER. And anger feeds on itself and gets bigger and bigger without a whole lot of extra input needed. I suppose I just answered my question about why the right-wing media focus on anger and not compassion: there's an expression for compassion fatigue but not one for anger fatigue. Certain people don't get tired of being angry--they love it.

Anyway, I'm really sorry about your father. That must hurt a lot.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
106. Thank you. For your kind words.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:03 AM
Dec 2016

It is painful. I hope I've not given the impression that I don't love my Dad. Rereading my earlier post, I wonder...? There are many other qualities about the man that I adore. But we've always clashed politically.

My brother too is a conservative, but not to quite the same degree as Dad. There have been times my brother has had to tell my own father to "tone it down" a little.

>> I wonder why right-wing media is so defined by anger. Not by an honest disagreement about how to make the world a better place or anything justifiable like that... just ANGER. And anger feeds on itself and gets bigger and bigger without a whole lot of extra input needed. <<

I don't know. But well said.


RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
103. Thank you for your thoughtful response. Many clinging to the past, in sort a mix of the future and
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:49 PM
Dec 2016

the past and then that hatred/racism/bigotry accelerated for profit by Fox News, Alex Jones and the herd, as well as hate religions. It's horrible what is going on. None seem to be addressing it, and when they try, many scream free speech. Just how far can one carry free speech. I think the founders of the US thought of free speech as responsible free speech, not propaganda, misinformation and hatred sold for profit. I feel so sorry for what you went through, so saddening.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
107. Hello.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:12 AM
Dec 2016

>> I think the founders of the US thought of free speech as responsible free speech, not propaganda, misinformation and hatred sold for profit. <<

I think you're probably correct. If only there was some way to ask (the founding fathers) what they think of the current state of affairs in the U.S.? That would be one hell of a conversation, I'm sure.

Thanks for the hug!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
98. I'm 68 and I'm quite a nice and smart woman
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:57 PM
Dec 2016

but, as many assholes can attest, I can be mean as hell when I need to be.

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