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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:35 PM Dec 2016

The U.S. Is Now a Country That Can Be Ignored


One of President Barack Obama's most important legacies is a sense that the U.S. is no longer the dominant global power: It can be ignored. It's a new reality that became apparent this year as various authoritarian regimes and populist movements have tested it out.

President Vladimir Putin's Russia has been at the forefront of the effort. In the latest development, on Tuesday, the foreign and defense ministers of Russia, Iran and Turkey met in Moscow to discuss a plan for Syria. The U.S. was not invited. Instead, the ministers adopted a statement saying the three countries were willing to serve as the guarantors of a deal between the Syrian government and opposition. All other countries with "influence on the situation on the ground" are welcome to join, the statement said.

This is the kind of call the U.S. has grown accustomed to making during the post-Cold War decades of Pax Americana. Now, three authoritarian regimes -- one of them, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's, an increasingly nominal U.S. ally, and the other two open U.S. adversaries -- feel empowered enough to assume their role in an area where perhaps the biggest threat to the West, the Islamic State, operates.

Russia appears to be purposefully working with the less democratic U.S. allies. Earlier this month, it broke with long-standing practice and joined the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries in a promise of oil-output cuts. In these talks, Russia had to deal with Saudi Arabia, helping it secure Iran's consent to a production cap. Qatar, another gulf state allied to the U.S., is taking part in a murky but politically important privatization deal as one of the buyers of a 19.5 percent stake in the Russian oil company, Rosneft.

Russia hasn't been averse to talking to the U.S. -- it has done so repeatedly on Syria -- but nothing came of it, in part because the Obama administration was never united on the very idea of doing deals with Putin. Kremlin officials appear to have hated the experience. "Contacts remain, but every time we agree on something, Americans steer away from what has been agreed," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in a recent speech. "We get lectured."

So the Kremlin is openly building bypass routes to other Middle East players, whose decision-making processes are more like Moscow's than Washington's. Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar don't have to betray the U.S. to talk to Moscow on their own -- but nor do they feel the need to include it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-12-21/the-u-s-is-now-a-country-that-can-be-ignored
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bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
3. Russia rolled into Georgia over South Ossetia when Shrub was still in office
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:34 AM
Dec 2016

back in 2008, so putting this all onto Obama's shoulders seems a bit of a stretch.

Fichefinder

(167 posts)
4. We squandered our pre-eminence
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:54 AM
Dec 2016

when we attempted to conquer "The graveyard of Empires", Afghanistan, and to a lesser degree, Iraq. We bled out in the deserts and mountains for nothing. Nothing. You can't eat revenge.

FormerOstrich

(2,702 posts)
6. It seems the thinking is...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:29 AM
Dec 2016

if we don't go in and bomb the shit out of a place and send in the troops then we aren't taking action.

The love to criticize Obama because he didn't take "action". But he did. Just not the Rambo GI Joe WAR kind of stuff so many hold dear. Now there's some action showing the world who i who!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
7. Let's not forget trade deals, with the inevitable consequence that the USA...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:33 AM
Dec 2016

... will send in troops if some country "breaks the rules" someday and attempts to seize the assets of a corporation!

Soldiers must make sacrifices for our international business overlords who want cheaper labor elsewhere.

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