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MrScorpio

(73,772 posts)
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:42 AM Dec 2016

Apparently, Greenwald's check from Putin just cleared.

Glenn Greenwald: Democrats Need to ‘Stop Calling Everybody a Putin Stooge’
by Josh Feldman | 8:21 pm, December 21st, 2016

Journalist Glenn Greenwald appeared on MSNBC today to keep making his argument that more skepticism is needed in the discussion about Russian hacking––a skepticism that he doesn’t think Democrats are responding to that well.

He told Ari Melber that all we have so far on Russian hacking is “circumstantial evidence” from intelligence agencies who have not been hesitant to spread disinformation before.

Greenwald said all the talk of Russia before the election was just a political tactic, because “fear is a really potent weapon.”

As he indicated on Fox News earlier this week, Greenwald isn’t completely dismissing the idea that Russia was involved in hacking, he’s just asking for evidence to back that claim up.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-greenwald-democrats-need-to-stop-calling-everybody-a-putin-stooge/
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Apparently, Greenwald's check from Putin just cleared. (Original Post) MrScorpio Dec 2016 OP
His position isn't one of skepticism but denial ergo he can go fk himself. JHan Dec 2016 #1
You realize you just called an award winning journalist a Putin stooge? portlander23 Dec 2016 #2
You realize the award winning "journalist" is acting like a Putin stooge? nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2016 #3
I can't recall myself... MrScorpio Dec 2016 #5
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #9
........ heaven05 Dec 2016 #23
... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #24
It must have been right after you posted this OP. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #30
"But can you remind me of the exact time in which I ran out of fucks to give about Greenwald?" Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #40
There's the whole thing where he lied about his partner being detained because KittyWampus Dec 2016 #13
Then it MUST be true, huh? world wide wally Dec 2016 #16
you can call Bill O'Reilly an award winning journalist, too NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #19
You realize that grantcart Dec 2016 #22
The Same Greenwald Who Defends Citizens United? TomCADem Dec 2016 #35
Putin symbolizes everything Trump is going to try to do. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2016 #38
Greenwald. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2016 #4
Figures! Never trusted him. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #6
Says the big putin stooge Cha Dec 2016 #7
To the Greatest Page. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #8
Obama's report is still being prepared, right? eShirl Dec 2016 #10
Another Reason To Stay Away From MSNBC otohara Dec 2016 #11
He's right, though. alarimer Dec 2016 #12
He's wrong, because the Wiki email bullshit which was part of Russia's attack worked. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #14
Greenwald's acolytes sound like climate deniers. charlyvi Dec 2016 #28
K & R revmclaren Dec 2016 #15
yeah who needs evidence when the conspiracy theory fits your confirmation bias. m-lekktor Dec 2016 #17
and heaven05 Dec 2016 #26
Too bad the Chief law enforcement and the office in charge of the intelligence services... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #33
lol treestar Dec 2016 #18
Looks like another stooge DK504 Dec 2016 #27
Yes... Of course the flip side of this is people hughee99 Dec 2016 #29
Tucker Carlson is a fan oberliner Dec 2016 #20
I saw that show. Mr. Greewald is long on chatter but comes up empty with any sort of evidence that mulsh Dec 2016 #21
I've fucking had it to here with Greenwald. What a fucktard. I'm so tired of people doubting the Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #25
+1 byronius Dec 2016 #32
Trump said numerous times that the election was rigged Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #31
Wanting to know the evidence doesn't equal being bought by Putin. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #34
Even congressional members are asking for "proof" mtngirl47 Dec 2016 #36
Typical Republican tactic... Atman Dec 2016 #37
Yeah, I've been having some fun with this whinefest... Blue_Tires Dec 2016 #39
 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
2. You realize you just called an award winning journalist a Putin stooge?
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:45 AM
Dec 2016

Because you didn't like his reporting?

MrScorpio

(73,772 posts)
5. I can't recall myself...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:49 AM
Dec 2016

But can you remind me of the exact time in which I ran out of fucks to give about Greenwald?

I simply haven't bothered to replenish them.

Silly me.

Response to MrScorpio (Reply #5)

Tarheel_Dem

(31,454 posts)
40. "But can you remind me of the exact time in which I ran out of fucks to give about Greenwald?"
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 04:52 PM
Dec 2016

Too Funny!!!

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
13. There's the whole thing where he lied about his partner being detained because
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:03 PM
Dec 2016

he was linked to the mighty Greenwald... except his partner was carrying stolen, classified material.

Then he lied about his partner being held for hours without access to council... except his partner WAS offered a lawyer but he preferred to wait until his own personal lawyer eventually showed up.

Then there's the whole thing with Snowden- the libertarian, gun-loving, leak-hating Snowden all the sudden decides to leak and then goes the Russian embassy in Hong Kong and ends up in Russia.

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
19. you can call Bill O'Reilly an award winning journalist, too
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:14 PM
Dec 2016

Heck, Rush Limbaugh has won awards, too.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
22. You realize that
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:41 PM
Dec 2016

a) Greenwald has never identified himself as a journalist nor acted like one? He is (regardless of your opinion of what he says) is a columnist who offers opinions on news rather than reports news.

b) G Gordon Liddy also received similar awards for defending the first amendment ( he advised shooting Federal law enforcement officers in the throat as the rest of the body is covered with armor) which was especially ironic because he had seriously looked at murdering Jack Anderson when working for the Whitehouse.

c) We don't like his gibberish because it runs against known intelligence findings, attempts to prop up his co-conspirator Snowden and supports the assertion of the maniacal President elect.

TomCADem

(17,837 posts)
35. The Same Greenwald Who Defends Citizens United?
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:25 PM
Dec 2016

I do not see why some folks here love Greenwald. Why not start quoting Alito while you are at it.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,412 posts)
38. Putin symbolizes everything Trump is going to try to do.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:54 PM
Dec 2016

Greenwald; Democrats Need to ‘Stop Calling Everybody a Putin Stooge’. "EVERYBODY? Meaning him.

So what would be the better description of Trump? They share the same characteristics. Only supposedly the American won an election fairly and squarely. They each punish adversaries, beat the press, are white supremacist misogynists, condemn all Muslims, grab as much wealth for themselves.....

STOP THE PRESSES!

Maddow pointed out last week that Putin is by far the wealthiest man in the world, though undeclared Trump knows that. He wants to be that. So he conned a nation in order to achieve his personal goal. And as EVERYONE knows, It's all about Trump.

So call Putin his role model if you like, Putin has different goals. And Trump is the stooge who can help him achieve them.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
12. He's right, though.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:59 AM
Dec 2016

I haven't seen evidence to indicate the hacking actually worked. You can make a case for any number of things that cost her the election, much of them errors in where to allocate time and resources during the campaign, or voter supression in several states, which I actually think may be way more important. The very first national election following the gutting of the Voting Rights Act and it is no coincidence that Democrats lost.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
14. He's wrong, because the Wiki email bullshit which was part of Russia's attack worked.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:06 PM
Dec 2016

Your argument is like saying you can't prove cigarettes directly cause cancer.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
28. Greenwald's acolytes sound like climate deniers.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:00 PM
Dec 2016

Or evolution deniers. Until they can absolutely, positively see proof in black and white they think it doesn't exist. I guess the President is a liar. Of course, they never ask if Greenwald's position on the Russian hack might be a smidge influenced by the fact that his buddy Snowden is being housed and fed by Moscow.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
17. yeah who needs evidence when the conspiracy theory fits your confirmation bias.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:35 PM
Dec 2016

this place is getting ridiculous.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
26. and
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:49 PM
Dec 2016

you don't believe we were hacked, voted in a rigged election....and millions were denied the right to vote on 50's type laws designed to suppress the vote of the poor in this country. That's a conspiracy theory too.....right?

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
33. Too bad the Chief law enforcement and the office in charge of the intelligence services...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:19 PM
Dec 2016

..... isn't occupied by a Democrat. Oh wait, it is.

Yet we asked Mitch fucking McConnell pretty please if we could inform the American public our election was being hacked.

No? Okay, sorry to bother you, by your leave Mr. McConnell.


treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. lol
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:36 PM
Dec 2016

now they need evidence? Too funny. No evidence was needed to conclude that Hillary was a "criminal" etc. But evidence is needed when it is something they don't want to believe.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
27. Looks like another stooge
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:53 PM
Dec 2016

refuses to look at facts and intell briefings. What the hell is wrong with these people? Bush and Cheney refused to listen to intelligence and looky where that got us. The media refused to take the hacking seriously, despite all the evidence, they do not serve the public they way they were supposed to before Reagan.

Pootie Poot's boyfriend doesn't give a crap about this country.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
29. Yes... Of course the flip side of this is people
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:01 PM
Dec 2016

Who demanded evidence in Clinton's case but have already determined Russia's guilt.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Tucker Carlson is a fan
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:18 PM
Dec 2016

Fox News likes bringing Glen on to bash Democrats and serve as a Putin apologist.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
21. I saw that show. Mr. Greewald is long on chatter but comes up empty with any sort of evidence that
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:34 PM
Dec 2016

the Russian Hack stories are bogus. More skepticism with our government is always a good plan but at some point a skeptic should come up with something more substantial that saying "I think..."

Since the Russian hack stories broke I've seen a number of reporters on various TV shows giving specific info on Moscow based date stamps, well known hackers etc. It wold be nice if the people who are trying to refute these stories provided some evidence to counter them. Some counter evidence should be available for people who are diligent enough.

BTW wining a prestigious award for a particular story does not mean that every story a journalist writes is a award winning.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
25. I've fucking had it to here with Greenwald. What a fucktard. I'm so tired of people doubting the
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:46 PM
Dec 2016

Russian hacking.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
31. Trump said numerous times that the election was rigged
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:09 PM
Dec 2016

that should be enough to open HUGE investigations into the matter

mtngirl47

(1,243 posts)
36. Even congressional members are asking for "proof"
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:29 PM
Dec 2016

Somebody needs to leak the proof in the next few weeks

Or have it "declassified."

Atman

(31,464 posts)
37. Typical Republican tactic...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:39 PM
Dec 2016

Don't address the actual issue. Just question it. Raise questions. Say you questions. Say you're not sure. Say, "Sure they might be correct, but what if they're not?" Say anything. Just never, ever, acknowledge the truth.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
39. Yeah, I've been having some fun with this whinefest...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 03:22 PM
Dec 2016

For those wondering where I am, I've mostly taken my fight to twitter... But I'll check back in from time to time

(and yes Mr. Scorpio, I already follow you)

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