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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeriously, FOUR YEARS of THIS sh*t? "Man booted off Jet Blue flight for allegedly accosting Ivanka"
A passenger on a JetBlue flight was booted off the plane after he allegedly confronted Ivanka Trump and told her that her father was ruining the country.
TMZ is reporting that the passenger saw Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner, and started railing against the president-elect.
Why is she on our flight, the man allegedly said. She should be flying private.
TMZ also notes that the spouse of the passenger tweeted an hour before the plane took off, Ivanka and Jared at JFK T5, flying commercial. My husband chasing them down to harass them.'
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/man-booted-off-jet-blue-flight-for-allegedly-accosting-ivanka-trump-tmz/
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)kimbutgar
(20,882 posts)Not on an airplane. Once you get on a plane it becomes a federal offense.
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)And deranged.
Caliman73
(11,694 posts)Your post is about a man "allegedly" harassing people (jerks in my opinion, but still, people entitled to peace).
Your link is to a story about Leslie Van Houten being denied parole.
To answer your post, if the story is accurate, then the man behaved like a jerk, disrupted the flight, and deserved to be kicked off the plane. Everyone is angry. Ivanka and her husband are probably not good people and her dad is most likely going to cause damage as President. That does not give anyone the right to harass them on a flight. They have as much right as anyone else to fly commercial without being accosted.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Caliman73
(11,694 posts)I spent some time trying to get links to work on a response. I am not that technically savvy, so I reserve judgement.
global1
(25,168 posts)if you were flying on a plane with the immediate family of the president-elect or the president? Wouldn't the immediate family be a target for terrorists?
With the money that the Trump family has - don't you think that they should be flying private versus putting common folk at risk by flying commercial?
Just asking?
Note that I'm not condoning the actions of this guy harassing Ivanka and her husband.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)into the sphere of those who may be targeted by terrorists or political enemies is valid!
We need to provide them a nice AF Gulf Stream?
Imagine the outrage at that..
In this case an asshole was busted for being an asshole, good riddance, hope he enjoys that ol Gray Dog...
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)normal people and fly charter at their expense as they have been...
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)Loooove it, I think you have found new niche.
They are to special to travel with us little people? Is that what you are saying.
I am a little intrigued watching the suede denim secret police start their work of class purification. Please tell me how you know how they always travel and what they were thinking when they booked these seats..
Bummer here is the Trumpfs are just as free as you or I do save a buck.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Who could be caught in a hail of bullets during an assassination attempt! Elitism has nothing to do with it...
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)A hail of bullets..
During an assassination attempt...
At a US airport?
Um, you realize how fantastical that sounds... Yes?
I guess they also need to stay off of public sidewalks and roads, place where they are far more like to be targets..
Than at a US airport.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)There could be an assassination attempt anywhere - at a hotel, at the movies, at the spa. It's very irresponsible for these Trump-shits to go where ever they want and drag their little kid around with them without some security like Blackwater or something. I'm sure Education Secretary nominee Betsy DeVos can get them a discount with Blackwater. After all, her brother, Eric Prince owns Blackwater!
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)And keep up, there is no more Blackwater, and it's skeletal remains are owned by another investment group.
Although maybe she will get with Eric on ways to protect our schools.. Because BW and XE never lost a package.
one problem, to keep that perfect record, dozens of innocent bystanders did have to die... So I offer you a chance to rethink your idea of exactly who you want guarding the upcoming First Family.
My thought is it seems they more at risk from an unhinged hater from our side of the aisle than anything else, your posts do nothing to assuage my fear on that front.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)several years. My point was that they are putting the general public in danger with their mere unsecured presence.
I think you're childish and annoying! Go SQEE someone who appreciates it...
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)They are Academi, and Prince has no dealings with them.
I think you are uninformed, and I am TRYING to help you be less so..
Then we can work on the elitism and dehumanizing you are showing here.
MrPurple
(985 posts)If Bill Parcells flies coach and someone tells him they hate the Patriots, are they thrown off the plane? What if Jane Fonda was on the flight and a conservative told her that she shouldn't have protested the Vietnam War?
How can you be thrown off a flight for having a nonthreatening conversation with a fellow passenger? If Elizabeth Warren or Barney Frank were getting on a JetBlue flight in Oklahoma City, isn't it likely that a redneck might say something that wasn't praise to them? Would they be thrown off the plane?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Had to jump in the way-back machine...
pangaia
(24,324 posts)MrPurple
(985 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)thrown off airplanes and/or banned from further travel on an airline due to "harassment".
Whatever you do don't escalate things to where you are charged with "interference with flight crew members or flight attendants":
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1411-interference-flight-crew-members-or-flight-attendants-49-usc
True Dough
(17,095 posts)And rightfully so!
Throd 2.0
(62 posts)Initech
(99,915 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Unless you're catching a ride on a flight with a legitimate business purpose or being re-positioned.
MFM008
(19,776 posts)What happens to any maggot spawn.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)On meetings? Was she part of her father's transition team? Does she want an office in the West Wing?
Ivanka is an adult member of her father's transition team. She helped create this nightmare. Absurd comparison.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Why that is the case?
adigal
(7,581 posts)cause you say so? I'd love an explanation of why!!!!
MichMary
(1,714 posts)who was present, is in kindergarten. Old enough to understand, old enough to be frightened. The guy was out-of-line for harassing a family, which included young children.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Not pleased with election results! These jerks related to the President-elect are counting on the public to act civil ly at all times? Please...
jonno99
(2,620 posts)I wouldn't, and I personally don't know anyone who would.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)You should be able to say whatever you want To another passenger as long as it's not threatening, racist, sexist or homophobic.
former9thward
(31,805 posts)Commercial aircraft are not free speech zones. Your have no right to harass other passengers. It is a federal felony. Airlines have the right to remove any disruptive passengers and it is exclusively their call.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Once someone (could just be a bystander) complains and the flight crew agrees to address the issue, the clock just started. Sit down in your assigned seat and shut up would get you to your destination with minimal damage. Anything else could get you barred from flying for the rest of your life. Flying is not a right.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)Do you think YOUNG children should be subjected to something like that? Remember the good old days when we all thought children were off limits?
Caliman73
(11,694 posts)The man's husband Tweeted that the man was "chasing" the family down the terminal to "harass" them. It was not a passing thing. You should be able to voice your displeasure but you should not be able to harass people on a plane and that was the man's intention according to his husband.
former9thward
(31,805 posts)Why would Ivanka and Jared be flying commercial and coach at that? And where was Secret Service or any kind of security? Fake news.
Vinca
(50,170 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Which probably involves flying commercial......with very rigorous standards of passenger conduct.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Observant Jews must visit Israel?
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,698 posts)tblue37
(64,982 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)http://abc7ny.com/news/passenger-removed-after-verbally-harassing-ivanka-trump/1668529/
former9thward
(31,805 posts)Where was their security? Why would a president-elect's children be flying commercial? Its BS.
kelly1mm
(4,719 posts)tweeted he was going to harass them and then posted a picture! What more do you need?
GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)Bet this is one of those "false flag" type things they constantly accuse the Dems of doing. Not "fake news." More like fake (staged) incident to gin up more hatred against one of their enemies.
If you want to know what Comrade Trump and the republicans are up to, just look at what they accuse everyone else of doing.
kelly1mm
(4,719 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)Instead of burning down a church and making it look like it was perpetrated by a Trump supporter, I suspect the Trumps were faking an episode of "harassment", and trying to blame it on his detractors.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Not sure about that.
former9thward
(31,805 posts)But these adult children have been prominent in the transition. They are not just out there doing their own thing. Also Jared was worth hundreds of millions in his own right before he even met Ivanka. So I just can't believe they are out there flying discount commercial -- and in coach -- without any security.
treestar
(82,383 posts)trying to remember when there last were adult children. Jenna and Barbara. I can recall some antics that had to do with Secret Service?
Google being my friend, it is "immediate family" for the POTUS and only minors under 16 for former POTUSes, so it looks like Jenna and Barbara and now the Orange Spawn might have it.
https://www.secretservice.gov/protection/
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)wealthiest cronies will be on the list, too.
Maybe I'm over-reacting, and I hope that's true, but I just fear that we don't know the half of just how power mad he is. He is used to getting his way, and people are afraid of him.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Passenger Removed From JetBlue Flight After Ivanka Trump Tirade
One witness said the passenger was clearly agitated but did not scream or yell.
12/23/2016 01:35 am ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A JetBlue airline passenger, who media outlets and a witness described as making angry remarks at the sight of Ivanka Trump on his flight, was removed from the plane on Thursday by the airline.
JetBlue Airways Corp confirmed in a statement that a passenger had been removed from a flight set to depart from New Yorks John F. Kennedy International Airport, bound for San Francisco, but provided no other information about the incident.
Another passenger on the flight, Marc Scheff, said that, when the man saw U.S. President-elect Donald Trumps daughter Ivanka, he did a double take and said Oh my God. This is a nightmare!
JetBlue said in a statement: The decision to remove a customer from a flight is not taken lightly. In this instance, our team worked to re-accommodate the party on the next available flight.
HAB911
(8,811 posts)Initech
(99,915 posts)I just reported some jackass for posting his contact information. This is going to get really ugly.
kelly1mm
(4,719 posts)Initech
(99,915 posts)I for one am pissed.
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)We'll never hear the end of it from wannabe victims on the internet.
Initech
(99,915 posts)Which um, didn't happen. We won't hear the end of this incident for a while.
superpatriotman
(6,232 posts)the enormity of dislike for them.
Billions of people can see right through the phony gild into your fetid, foul innards, Mr. President-elect et al
Enjoy the hate, cause it's gonna keep coming.
Abouttime
(675 posts)Harass these thieves till they are afraid to show their faces in public, this is just the beginning.
Wait till J20, we'll show em what harassment looks like!
jonno99
(2,620 posts)and we rightfully call them out.
samir.g
(835 posts)sdfernando
(4,897 posts)Generator
(7,770 posts)This is why people are losing their minds. We are in danger. Accosting miss pissypants is the least of it folks. The horror. Whatever. Welcome to the loony bin it's just starting.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/trumps-nuclear-gambit-sobers-up-fox-host-so-were-all-blown-up-just-as-were-counting-our-money/
If Fox is worried about donnyputin blowing us up then I say we have some worries.
yellowcanine
(35,692 posts)You do not have free speech on an airplane and harassing people even in a normal tone of voice will get you kicked off the plane. Besides, it is rude.
GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)The daughter of an allege billionaire is flying on a discount airline. Interesting. You'd think they're deliberately trying to stir up this kind of shit.
That being said, people should be able to fly without being harassed like that, even those who are related to one of the biggest assholes on the planet. Jet Blue was right to kick this guy off the flight.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)Then deleted his account but it's too late.
What a douchebag.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Abq_Sarah
(2,883 posts)I can walk up and scream in your face and you're not going to have a problem with it? I can follow you around and berate you every time you leave your house and you're going to be okay with it?
Where the fuck have the adults gone?
True Dough
(17,095 posts)Exactly! Two wrongs don't make a right!
adigal
(7,581 posts)I actually would do the same to her. She wants an office in the West Wing. She enables his evil plans. I would feel badly if this happened to Melania, maybe. But Ivanka is now a public figure and has no right to a criticism free zone anywhere in the world.
Abq_Sarah
(2,883 posts)And you think that kind of behavior is going to bring people to the cause? Win seats in the midterms? Is that how we show people we're the more mature, capable party? By shrieking at people on airplanes?
We are as always, our own worst enemy.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)with the monsters doing that.
frankieallen
(583 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Some of the responses to this thread are bizarre to say the least.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,781 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)especially because of this had been Chelsea Clinton and her husband or the President's children they would be the ones screaming the loudest about how horrible the person harassing Chelsea Clinton and her husband or the President's children was.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This woman and her family ought to be able to fly in peace.
DeminPennswoods
(15,246 posts)This is worthy of ESPN's "Come on, man!".
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)agree with the guy on Trump, he was in the wrong for this. He harassed another passenger (with her children present) and deserved to be kicked off the flight. There is a time and place for everything, and this wasn't it. This would be like if some RWer approached Chelsea, Sasha, or Malia on a flight.
liberal N proud
(60,302 posts)These a privileged pricks who don't see themselves mixing with the peasants.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Might as well declare you are carrying a bomb while in security.
There is no free speech in an airliner.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)this guy is an idiot
nini
(16,670 posts)He's not better than that asshole on Delta who got up and spouted his pro Trump crap.
People need to freaking shut up in situations like that.
ileus
(15,396 posts)If we keep making this shit personal, we're going to be wandering in the political wilderness for the next 100 years. Believe it or not, most people aren't impressed with protests and child-like behavior. When you start threatening people, they're even less impressed.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Is the private jet in for service?
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)The rules of conduct change greatly once you step onto the plane.
DesmondFoster
(16 posts)If this had happened to one of Obama's daughters from some yokel from the Midwest in 2008, we'd have lost our collective minds.
I'm all for healthy protest, healthy discussion, and when appropriate escalating all the above to MUCH higher levels. But not this. Sorry. In many cases, things like this end up having the reverse effect. And it becomes even more difficult to draw attention to real issues, real evidence, real proof.
Maddow made a difference tonight. It has to be that way every single day moving forward. Losing our minds and acting like the things they are calling us will not win the day. Keeping our heads, regrouping, and continuing to counter fiction with fact and hate with love WILL win the day.
Don't get sucked down that rabbit hole. it's what they want.
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)Sasha and Malia were not members of Team Obama.
Ivanka absolutely is an active member of the 4th Reich.
If this man was pressing the issue and making a scene, he deserved to be kicked him out. But let's not turn act like these demon spawns are innocent little lambs either. I'd leave Tiffany alone. The rest can kiss my ass.
NYC Liberal
(20,132 posts)is advising her father, sitting in on policy and diplomatic meetings, and who is going to have office space in the White House. She's not the "president's kid"; she's an advisor and an active player on her father's team. She's expected to play a role in advising him on climate change issues -- and who knows what else.
Is this particular incident constructive? Maybe not. But people who are afraid for their lives, their futures, and those of their loved ones, are not always completely rational.
BTW, here's a first-hand account from someone who was sitting right in front of her on the plane (which contradicts TMZ's sensationalistic story):
Below is what I saw first hand.
That's us in the photo you see on the internet. I am sitting in the next row up from Ivanka and surrounded by her family. The whole incident happened literally 15 inches from me. The article is sensationalizing this a little. Here is what happened.
A man got on and got upset about her and her family. He didn't accost her directly.
When he got on and saw her, sitting behind me, he said "oh my god. This is a nightmare" and was visibly shaking. He said "they ruin the country now they ruin our flight!" (Context: Boarding and therefore the flight was delayed because they needed to get on first through some other way)
He did not yell. He was also not what I would describe as calm. Agitated for sure. His husband behind him was very calm. His son is adorable and sharply dressed.
https://www.facebook.com/marcscheff/posts/10157953789185430
Warpy
(110,913 posts)The only thing I'm surprised about is Ivanka flying Jet Blue. Couldn't daddy spare his plane?
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Something just doesn't add up. Seems A little contrived. Great diversion? I don't know. It doesn't smell right.
samir.g
(835 posts)Trolling for just this sort of thing.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I once saw a woman kicked off the plan because she told the flight attendant that she couldn't sit in the window seat, that she needed an Isle seat because she get's claustrophobic.
10 minutes later, there are two officials standing at her isle (in front of me) escorting her off.
That was Delta too btw. Anything that makes the pilot nervous about a passenger is likely to get you the boot while you are still at the gate.
Silent3
(15,018 posts)"What's Donald Trump doing flying Jet Blue?"
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)All the money that kids dad has and shes on fucking jetblue, Something is wrong with that story.
jfern
(5,204 posts)randr
(12,408 posts)to my personal security.
They are so fucking rich let them fly themselves and pay for their own security.
NYC Liberal
(20,132 posts)meetings with foreign leaders. Boo-hoo. She is just as much a part of enacting Trump's agenda as Steve Bannon or anyone else on his team is. If she and her father are allowed to attack millions of Americans with vile, hateful rhetoric, then those Americans have every right to respond. If she doesn't want to be exposed to that, she shouldn't fly on commercial airlines with the public.
And TMZ? Really? Harvey Levin just wants to keep his 'exclusive access.'