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Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 08:59 AM Dec 2016

Benjamin Netanyahu is Mad

and I DON'T CARE!

Prehaps if he hadn't activity worked with Congressional Republicans to undermine President Obama at ever turn, he would not be increasingly isolated. His attitude towards President Obama and America has been disgraceful and unworthy of a close ally.

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Benjamin Netanyahu is Mad (Original Post) Chasstev365 Dec 2016 OP
Good.. coco22 Dec 2016 #1
He's mad for getting busted doing what he actually did Renew Deal Dec 2016 #2
He is a terrorist. libtodeath Dec 2016 #3
really? how do you figure that? Mosby Dec 2016 #7
Not sure if I'd call him a terrorist, cab67 Dec 2016 #8
Ask the Palestinians. libtodeath Dec 2016 #10
40% of Palestinians support terrorism, 97% hate Jews. Mosby Dec 2016 #11
Nice islamopobic post. libtodeath Dec 2016 #12
You object to real scientific research? Mosby Dec 2016 #14
I object to rw propoganda. libtodeath Dec 2016 #15
So you only like science when it agrees with your preconcieved notions - got it. Mosby Dec 2016 #16
rw propaganda and islamophobia is not worth my time. libtodeath Dec 2016 #19
Was not aware that Pew was right wing HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #28
Real scientific research demonstrates how much land has been stolen malaise Dec 2016 #43
Mosby, thanks for adding facts to this "discussion." grossproffit Dec 2016 #22
Not defending those views at all, but they don't exist in a vacuum. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #37
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #45
Compared to the Palestinians, he is Mother Teresa HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #44
War crimes for one MFM008 Dec 2016 #17
Does Israel have the right to defend itself? Mosby Dec 2016 #18
Sure it does, but it does NOT have the right to illegally occupy land that doesn't belong to it. white_wolf Dec 2016 #20
I think the Russians maybe did it the right way Yupster Dec 2016 #41
basically the same as was done in Israel proper in 1949. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #42
I was thinking more of a big versus little thing Yupster Dec 2016 #46
YES, she does. grossproffit Dec 2016 #23
Even the UN said those UN facilities Nevernose Dec 2016 #31
fuck 'im... dhill926 Dec 2016 #4
In the clinical sense n/t UTUSN Dec 2016 #5
Come on! they are a client Sam1 Dec 2016 #6
The USS Liberty? You've exposed yourself. grossproffit Dec 2016 #24
This is starting to feel a touch ant-semetic HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #29
Israel did it to themselves awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #39
For all the $$$ we send Israel, he can be mad The Blue Flower Dec 2016 #9
hear, hear! nt. Stellar Dec 2016 #27
At least 6 billion dollars a year, and he knows he can act the way he does... dubyadiprecession Dec 2016 #33
I care, because he is a RWing nutball and can hurt the people around him. Rex Dec 2016 #13
I've never gotten over that speech to Congress. white_wolf Dec 2016 #21
Just heard a congressman on msnbc talk about the dust up....and again I wonder why no one goes wiggs Dec 2016 #25
Thanks for sharing! nt Stellar Dec 2016 #26
Bibi is Trump + 80 IQ points Azathoth Dec 2016 #30
Don't forget kleptocrat. lostnfound Dec 2016 #35
Netanyahu is the same guy who came onto American soil to actively campaign for Romney NWCorona Dec 2016 #32
Good-Bibi is an ass Gothmog Dec 2016 #34
Well, he should be angry. HassleCat Dec 2016 #36
He isn't worried because he knows jimlup Dec 2016 #38
Bibi's mad and I am glad Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #40

Renew Deal

(81,692 posts)
2. He's mad for getting busted doing what he actually did
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 09:17 AM
Dec 2016

Purposely and illegally expanding settlements. He has always behaved in bad faith.

cab67

(2,831 posts)
8. Not sure if I'd call him a terrorist,
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 11:42 AM
Dec 2016

but his actions have done nothing to promote peace. He's done more damage to the Israeli cause in recent years than Israel's external enemies.

Mosby

(15,985 posts)
11. 40% of Palestinians support terrorism, 97% hate Jews.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:24 PM
Dec 2016

Compared to an average Palestinian, Bibi is a Progressive.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

48% of Palestinians support polygamy (pg 11)

89% of Palestinians support Sharia law (pg. 15)

89% of Palestinians think Homosexuality is morally wrong (pg. 81)

87% of Palestinians think that women should obey their husbands (pg. 93)

40% of Palestinians think suicide bombing is often/sometimes justified (pg. 29)

76% of Palestinians support penalties such as whipping or cutting off the hands of thieves (pg. 52)

84% of Palestinians support stoning for adultery (pg. 54)

66% of Palestinians support the death penalty for leaving Islam (pg. 55)

40% of Palestinians support a strong leader over democracy (pg. 60)

72% of Palestinians think that religious leaders should have a say in politics (pg. 64)

89% of Palestinians think that Islam is the only path to salvation (pg. 101)

And finally:

97% of Palestinians are Antisemites:

http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/02/04/chapter-3-views-of-religious-groups/

Mosby

(15,985 posts)
14. You object to real scientific research?
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:28 PM
Dec 2016

Shit, I thought only republicans were anti-science, guess I was wrong.

eta - Pointing out that Palestinians have a different value system that the West is hardly bigoted, it's reality.

malaise

(266,716 posts)
43. Real scientific research demonstrates how much land has been stolen
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 04:07 AM
Dec 2016

from the Palestinians. Nothing you post will change that

Crunchy Frog

(26,521 posts)
37. Not defending those views at all, but they don't exist in a vacuum.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:58 PM
Dec 2016

People who live under perpetual occupation, while facing continual harassment and dispossession, seldom have any love for their occupiers. Populations that live under a state of perpetual conflict, frequently harbor some pretty unsavory views towards one another.

I wonder what a similar poll would have revealed about the attitudes of black South Africans during Apartheid, or Native Americans towards white Americans during the 1800s. I'd be curious to see a poll of the attitudes of Israeli Jews towards Palestinians, or Arabs as a whole. I'd be curious to see the same poll of just the settler population.

I would seriously question whether it's religiously motivated bigotry, or simply a natural outcome of long term occupation, dispossession, and conflict.

I'm not expecting a reasonable answer on this one.

MFM008

(19,745 posts)
17. War crimes for one
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:55 PM
Dec 2016

In the IDF last little "mop" up in the west bank.
Hundreds of children killed. UN shelters targeted.
Yes Israel was targeted and lost maybe 5 civillians.
There is no comparison.

Mosby

(15,985 posts)
18. Does Israel have the right to defend itself?
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 01:01 PM
Dec 2016

The wars in GAZA were started by HAMAS, a Palestinian terrorist group.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
20. Sure it does, but it does NOT have the right to illegally occupy land that doesn't belong to it.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 01:36 PM
Dec 2016

President Obama did the right thing here. Hopefully, Isreal will do the right thing and do as the UN resolution requests, but, with men like Netanyahu in charge, I have about as much hope as the US doing the right thing with Donald Trump in charge.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
41. I think the Russians maybe did it the right way
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 01:58 AM
Dec 2016

At the end of World War II, the Russians forced the German population which hadn't already run for their lives to leave East Prussia forever.

East Prussia of course had been German land forever and there was no dispute about it. In fact East Prussia was the home region that became the German state in 1871.

So the Red Army entered East Prussia with a vengeance in early 1945 and the German civilian population ran for their lives and whoever was left there when the war ended was forced out. Russian families were moved in. The historic names of towns, cities and regions were changed. The capital of East Prussia, Konigsberg (King's Mountain) was renamed Kaliningrad. Check out this ridiculous map. Kaliningrad is part of Russia 100's of miles away from any other Russian land.



Anyway, all the Germans left and now 70 years later there aren't any protests about occupied territory. There aren't any refugee camps on the Baltic Coast. The German civilians had their land stolen, they resettled, mostly in Germany, some in the US, or Canada, and they moved on. The UN doesn't seem to care. No one else seems to either.

Is it because Russia is big and Israel is small?





Crunchy Frog

(26,521 posts)
42. basically the same as was done in Israel proper in 1949.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:33 AM
Dec 2016

If they wanted to do the same in the West Bank, they should have done it immediately, and completely in 1967. Then people would have stopped squawking about it by now. It doesn't really work to do something like that over a period of multiple decades.

So no, it's not just a case of they can't get away with it because "everyone hates Jews", as you seem to be implying in your post.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
46. I was thinking more of a big versus little thing
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 09:54 AM
Dec 2016

People don't yell about East Prussia because Russia is too big to do anything about it. Even today where Russia is becoming our enemy again, no one is talking about the occupied territories though everyone knows that is exactly what they are.

Another difference is the refugee camps. It's ridiculous that there are still refugee camps 70 years after the first Israel-Arab war. Those people should have been resettled decades ago.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
31. Even the UN said those UN facilities
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:42 PM
Dec 2016

Were being used as weapons launching facilities. It also doesn't matter how many Israelis were killed; just because the IDF has better missiles doesn't give Hamas the right to shoot at IDF.

I'm really not taking Israel's side here. Fuck their government and fuck their illegal settlements and fuck their war mongering. But forgetting that there are two sides to this conflict, both of which are very much at fault? Fuck that, too.

In fact, the 2014 Gaza "Conflict" just exasperated the whole thing, and both sides were responsible. They were mad about the settlements, Israel removed them entirely, and Hamas took over and started shooting again (first eliminating their political enemies, then back to launching rockets). This enabled Israeli apartheid-ists to sit back and say, "See? Removing the settlements does nothing for us!"

Except now Netanyahu has Trump & Lunitics, Inc. carrying water for him and it looks like there will never be a two state solution. The only light I see in the tunnel is that people -- normal, average, plain old people -- are starting to realize that this isn't a good guys versus bad guys situation, and that helping Israel militarily despite what they do hurts the United States.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
29. This is starting to feel a touch ant-semetic
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:23 PM
Dec 2016

USS Liberty has nothing to do with the vote on settlements, and hopefully nothing to do with Obama setting Israel policy 60 years after.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
39. Israel did it to themselves
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 01:33 AM
Dec 2016

How long should people let Israel keep taking people's land? Maybe once those people are pushed into the sea?

dubyadiprecession

(5,517 posts)
33. At least 6 billion dollars a year, and he knows he can act the way he does...
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:00 PM
Dec 2016

because none of that aid will ever be cut!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. I care, because he is a RWing nutball and can hurt the people around him.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:27 PM
Dec 2016

Seems like Israel and America have something in common, we can pick some real shitheads to run our countries.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
21. I've never gotten over that speech to Congress.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 01:39 PM
Dec 2016

It was underhanded and cowardly. You don't go before an ally's legislature and attack their head of government regardless of disagreement. You never saw President Obama bashing Netanyahu.

wiggs

(7,724 posts)
25. Just heard a congressman on msnbc talk about the dust up....and again I wonder why no one goes
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:02 PM
Dec 2016

deeper into the issue than the surface-y Obama v netanyahu conflict. So frustrating. Which country is defying decades of established policy re settlements? Which country is maintaining course on decades of UN and US policy re a two state solution? Which country is acting out of step with a majority of its citizens? What are the real issues regarding settlements?

this is why issues never get solved via broken public discourse in the US. it's the national enquirer approach to reporting...whatever sells on the cover is what gets discussed.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
32. Netanyahu is the same guy who came onto American soil to actively campaign for Romney
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:47 PM
Dec 2016

He can get mad all he wants for all I care.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
36. Well, he should be angry.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 03:32 PM
Dec 2016

He went to all the trouble of lecturing our Congress and undermining our president. You would think we could show him a little gratitude. But, noooooo! Instead, we allow the U.N. to condemn the practice of stealing people's houses, demolishing them, and moving in religious extremists. What ingrates we must be.

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