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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have spent almost 2 months now avoiding the news and DU.
I was seriously impacted by the election of Donald Trump. He, in a word, terrifies me in a way I have never been before. I disliked GWB, I was not fond of RR or GB the first, but I never felt they could totally destroy our country.
Trump currently has one Supreme Court opening to fill, possibly two unless RBG can hold on for 4 years of nonsense. What is more important is because of the obstruction of the Republicans the past 8 years he has 100 judges to appoint. This crazy man and his minions could change our country for years to come in terms of the judiciary.
The foreign policy implications go without saying. If we can go 4 years of him without being attacked it will be amazing at best.
Any brown, black, yellow, LGBT, or women need to run for the hills. Trump, or in the case of an impeachment Pence, will make it intolerable to live here.
I am sure more people feel this way. I am just trying to figure out how to fight them, living in a red red red state full of crazy Trump supporters who hate science, education and liberals of any kind.
I am coming out from under my rock, sort of. Still can't bring myself to read the front page of the NYT which I have been getting most of my life. I have always felt well informed. I can't bear to see him on TV, I can't listen to Kelly Anne. I can see this being really emotionally difficult the next 4 years, along with worrying about being blown to bits after a tweet.
Thanks for offering me a place with sane people.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)exactly where we are headed. And I do wonder, will there be another election, or will there be some damn war.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,620 posts)We're in a tough place. We've lost an election we thought we would win easily and now we face the abyss.
I think there may be some hope. We have some very Republican friends (conservative but not insane) and they think the orange twit will be impeached within the first year and a half of his tenure. These folks are well-read and intelligent and this is what they think. They also think that the Congressional R's will turn on the orange twit once they see what havoc he will wreak on them as well as us.
I was pretty surprised to hear this. And it does give me hope.
Remember too that there are strong Democrats in the Congress and they will not roll over and play dead.
We will get through this.
The only news we watch is the PBS Newshour. They're not perfect but they try to be fair.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I feel like a fragile thing which I have never been before. I did join a women's group in town who are trying to begin to take on the Republicans here in Oklahoma and take our state back, at least a little bit.
Having a husband who depends heavily on federal science grants is also concerning . I'm happy to hear what you have said. There are no sane Republicans here in Oklahoma.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I have been telling Trump supporters here that, "MY man Trump lied to me..." I then point out things he has done and said since the election like the phrase "Drain the swamp" was "hokey" and "...we don't need it anymore." Instead of getting them defensive, I try to get them to feel the betrayal they should. I want them to turn against all Republicans to take away their support.
It is working EVERYTIME I have tried it. They tell me they voted for Trump because no one is bringing the jobs back and they are left out. They thought he would shake things up, just not the way he is going about it. Because they are very low information individuals they do not even know what the Republicans and Trump's have planned. When I tell them about the plans to privatize SS and Medicare and what that means in reality they get very upset. It would be funny if not so sad!
3catwoman3
(23,987 posts)My boss, who is one of the 2 founding members of the pediatric practice where I work (I am the only nurse practitioner in a group of 9 doctors), is one of the most genteel and ladylike women I have ever known, and has been a Republican. She is very reserved and private about practically everything. She told me she voted for Hillary.
This admission came after I told her I needed to bring a matter to her attention that occurred the morning after election day. 2 of the staff nurses came to me during our lunch break to share a distressing experience that happened when they got to work that Wednesday morning. 2 front desk staff and the other 2 staff nurses were hugging and high-fiving about the election results, and publicly expressing shock and mild ridicule that the other 2 employees were not similarly thrilled - things along the line of, "I can't wait to hear Hillary's speech. I hope she cries," and. "Jane, I can't believe you voted for Hillary. Why would you do that?"
These 2 nurses knew that I am a fellow Democrat, from discussions we have had in private. One of the 2 said she felt so ganged up on that she felt like she didn't want to work at this office anymore. I thought my boss ought to know that there was something of a hostile workplace situation developing. She thanked me for bringing it to her attention, and that is when she confided in me about her vote. She agreed it needed to be addressed, and even accepted, word for word, a brief 7 sentence e--mail I wrote for her regarding the matter and sent it out to all the employees in our practice.
I feel as if I am living in an alternate universe, and I can't find the rift in the space-time continuum to get back to where I should be. "Beam me up, Scotty." Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,620 posts)I don't know who they voted for.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a gym friend who is also a Republican. We were talking about the election, and she indicated that she hadn't voted for him either. I expressed my relief, and she said: "Peggy, I'm a conservative.......not a looney!" We had a good laugh over that!
I'm sorry you have to deal with this in the workplace. I hope the memo worked as intended. I am retired, and my close friends are all Democrats.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)be able to handle the stress of the job. There is far more to the job than sitting on the toilet doing tweets! He can yell and scream all he wants, but some counties are going to tell him to screw off. He can not handle that pressure for all the reasons discussed over and over ...
irisblue
(32,974 posts)Who has done awful things in congress & Indiana to women, LGBTQs, & poor people.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)At first I was afraid for my family and other POCs, then as he went on I was afraid for the whole country, now with talks of nukes, pushing China and needing names of climate scientists , I am afraid for the whole world . I do care to stay informed but I don't have cable or seek radio much. Print and electronic news so I am reading about him but never really see or hear him talk except for a short vid
Maybe it would be best to try to ignore it all but I still stick to the Boy Scout motto be prepared.
Just he is so scattered I for one really can't get a handle on how to prepare
Peace to us all now
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)might happen. And, look at his cohorts.
coco22
(1,258 posts)Warpy
(111,261 posts)Their ruling families were a little smarter, and kept up the bread and circuses for the citizens while the top spun out into nearly unimaginable corruption.
Our top isn't that smart. Gingrich just announced that laws should be ignored and we know they also ignore simple human decency.
In Rome, the mask of the republic stayed on for several centuries. Here, it's slipping badly and is nearly so far off that even the far right is going to notice.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)very similar. I hope you both are right.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)because Canada and Mexico are far too civilized to do the job.
I just hope it doesn't take another world war to rid us of our own imperial oligarchy. We won't come close to winning it.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)other nations will join forces and take down the US. The US will not win.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)being king pin. He is an ex KGB'er, and as for us will be entrenched in corruption, or mass civil disobedience will be the norm.
I just hope we still have DU and progressive sites to get our news, give donations if you can.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)one major difference: climate change.
We are in the middle of the sixth great extinction event in global history. And it is not yet clear whether humanity will survive it.
Warpy
(111,261 posts)although if the Campi Flegrei supervolcano blows, warming will stop short of turning this into a hot planet with a methane atmosphere and a few of us will have a fair chance at survival.
I'm speaking short term above. I've been rereading a lot of Roman history, from the old gossip Suetonius on down the line. The parallels are sickening.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)What exactly does "longer term" mean to you?
Does it mean 100-200 years? Or does it mean 500-1000 years?
Because every piece of evidence we have is that our planet will be in horrible shape in 100 years and humanity could be extinct in 200 years--tops--if we don't reverse course ASAP. There are feedback loops where rising temperature does things like melt the permafrost in Siberia, which releases methane which then causes more warming.
airplaneman
(1,239 posts)former9thward
(32,006 posts)Humanity is not going extinct even if the high ranges of global warming would occur. More war on science.
wiggs
(7,813 posts)11/9 (9/11 backwards, as this really is a political 9/11). Won't watch the inauguration.
May I suggest listening to a lot of music? Classical worked. Bruce's Land of Hope and Dreams helped (couple of dozen times). Watch John Oliver's last episode of the season. If you're not underage check out the Rude Pundit's blog for some helpful and appropriately rude commiseration. There's other good stuff out there, including reader comments of the NYT on the opinion page.
This is catastrophic, no doubt, and it's already a train wreck but hopefully with diligence and unity and reasonable people stepping up we can limit the damage to merely catastrophic. We need you out from under the rock.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)catbyte
(34,386 posts)I feel worse than when family members have died. I guess that's because I'm mourning for all of the people and animals who are going to be hurt and killed by the Orange Horror and his bagger enablers. I'm in mourning for the planet.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)I dread the next four years.
But maybe ... just maybe ... he will prove himself to be such a disaster
the voters will see him so bad that it will be the end of the GOP.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)I have read lots of bad things from people stuck in red states. You all need to move to blue or purple states so we can get some control.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)Fight them by doing the one thing we can. NOT being afraid. Fear is the biggest enemy the human being has. Not globalism (although the current implementation of globalism is designed to create fear as a weapon of destroying communities), not Trumpism, not birthers, not the Supreme Court. Fear.
Because when you're in fear, you can't think properly AT ALL. It's not -physically- possible. You can only look for guidance (a return to the (false) sense of safety and security), and you don't have the discernment under fear to judge using your full capacities. It kills emotional connections, which in turn begin to disrupt the subconscious, which will then begin to manifest its panic through your environment and other forms of self-sabotage.
If you live in a red town in a red state like we both do (Indiana here), the MOST IMPORTANT thing you can do (in my humble opinion of course) is to try to demonstrate NONFEAR as a political act.
"You can't defeat me. You don't even have the capacity to -frighten- me."
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #15)
InAbLuEsTaTe This message was self-deleted by its author.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)bdamomma
(63,849 posts)and commentary. Yes FEAR is what they want to instill in people that and hate, intolerance. We can't go back we need to move forward.
Greed kills. I think all of us and the world community are not going to take tRump's inexperience and BS.
irisblue
(32,974 posts)This post is brilliant for me as well.
Laffy Kat
(16,379 posts)These are uncharted waters and I fear not so much for myself, but for my children and ALL children. I have every intention of hanging out for my kids' sake, but frankly I don't even want to be on this planet any longer. The joy is gone. Christmas, what little we did, was a joke; just going through the motions. We all felt it.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)I am so uncomfortable all of the time. I just can't believe the moron factor of this country elected this asshole to be president, and now look at who he has ushered into office.
Laffy Kat
(16,379 posts)I mean, I really can't believe it.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)I feel your pain. I have it too. Yet, the only way out is through.
You could very well be an amazing bright star on the verge of blossoming. Pain is often the motivator that turns into transformative action. That has been my experience.
Hugs
elmac
(4,642 posts)DU is informative so keep checking in.
pamdb
(1,332 posts)The night of the election I took everything off my DVR. I used to record most everything from MSNBC; Chuckles, Tweety bird, Rachel, Joy, Lawrence, and that night I took everything off and haven't
watched anything since. No news. Blackout. Just now started looking at Huff Post, Immoral Minority, and DU. Chris Matthews, tweety bird,
practically had the hots for Kelly Anne and Mrs. Greenspan kept going on and on and on about those damn emails. None of these people will be affected, at least financially, from what Trump and his cabal will do, they have plenty of money. The rest of us will pay the price for their
groveling at the feet of the pussy grabber. Rachel and Lawrence are the only ones who ever questioned him. Maybe someday I'll go back to Rachel but the wounds are too raw now.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Saw a bit of Morning Joe by accident the other day, wanted to vomit.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)was MSNBC which I watched until Nov 9th, may be the truth won't be such a bad word in the future. I get my news from Democracy now and from other progressive sites and of course DU.
You never know what will happen may be through all this uncertainty we will emerge stronger and hopefully wiser. But never give up or give in. Peace.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)It is beautiful, has mountains (and forest fires) and 46 acres that is ours. I am 67 and cannot imagine starting over. So we will stay. We will catch up on reading and movies. We will do good things in our community.
I was a child in GA I learned to hide under my desk in school during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was working in a hospital on 9/11 when I had to explain to staff they did not all need to run to NYC that people needed them here....while I was terrified that somewhere else would be hit.
I never thought that my greatest fear would come from our own government. I am glad that I do not have children or grandchildren to worry about their future. I just have to worry about everyone else's family's future.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)My Mom tried to hide it but years later told me she felt strongly we were toast. After they killed John, Bobby, Martin and Malcolm she was sure of it.
I am also glad I don't have kids of my own to worry about. I swear I would move north if we did.
Paladin
(28,257 posts)I've been getting my news updates from DU and several other online sites. As for the MSM: I walked away from them, once the election results were known. I don't know when (or whether) I'll go back; I blame the MSM for its double-standard reporting on Trump and Clinton, and I'm not in a forgiving mood.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,446 posts)'Any brown, black, yellow, LGBT, or women need to run for the hills. Trump, or in the case of an impeachment Pence, will make it intolerable to live here."
You're not going to fight him by running for the hills. I've got a link to put in here, but I'm on a slow connection now. I will edit this tomorrow a.m.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)That is why I joined the women't advocacy group I joined. We are going to focus on state races, grooming young progressives to run and then move up the chain. We have to start at the bottom I'm afraid. The states with red govs and legislatures are killing us.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,446 posts)I said in post #24 that I had a link about this. Here it is:
We can't sit back and wait for someone else to show up.
From now on we're going to have to provide our own leadership.
Indivisible: A Practical Guide for Resisting the Trump Agenda
Hat tip, @fakedansavage: Libs, progressive, Dems, patriots: Read this right away.
Former congressional staffers reveal best practices for making Congress listen
Donald Trump is the biggest popular vote loser in history to ever to call himself President-Elect. In spite of the fact that he has no mandate, he will attempt to use his congressional majority to reshape America in his own racist, authoritarian, and corrupt image. If progressives are going to stop this, we must stand indivisibly opposed to Trump and the members of Congress who would do his bidding. Together, we have the power to resist - and we have the power to win.
We know this because weve seen it before. The authors of this guide are former congressional staffers who witnessed the rise of the Tea Party. We saw these activists take on a popular president with a mandate for change and a supermajority in Congress. We saw them organize locally and convince their own members of Congress to reject President Obamas agenda. Their ideas were wrong, cruel, and tinged with racism - and they won.
We believe that protecting our values and neighbors will require mounting a similar resistance to the Trump agenda -- but a resistance built on the values of inclusion, tolerance, and fairness. Trump is not popular. He does not have a mandate. He does not have large congressional margins. If a small minority in the Tea Party can stop President Barack Obama, then we the majority can stop a petty tyrant named Trump.
Who is this document by and for?
We: Are former progressive congressional staffers who saw the Tea Party beat back President Obamas agenda.
We: See the enthusiasm to fight the Trump agenda and want to share insider info on how best to influence Congress to do that.
You: Want to do your part to beat back the Trump agenda and understand that will require more than calls & petitions.
You: Should use this guide, share it, amend it, make it your own, and get to work.
To this end, the following chapters offer a step-by-step guide for individuals, groups, and organizations looking to replicate the Tea Partys success in getting Congress to listen to a small, vocal, dedicated group of constituents. The guide is intended to be equally useful for stiffening Democratic spines and weakening pro-Trump Republican resolve.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)SylviaD
(721 posts)...so I do not have to deal with Trumpists who infest my workplace.
I cannot believe he is actually going to be president.
The worst thing is, I cannot cheer/hope for an impeachment. Pence is much worse.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)It is horrible in the classroom with all of these students from Trump households.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)have not watched any MSM since November 9. I feel very well informed -- better , even -- now that I get all my news from the Guardian, DU, Daily Kos and the Washington Post.
And I am afraid for the world. There is no place to hide now.
You are not alone.
bhikkhu
(10,716 posts)Of course, 8 years with Obama in the WH was a beautiful affirmation of what a good man at the helm can mean, but there is a long way to go. When Jefferson wrote "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their created with certain unalienable rights", there was a vast gap between the ideal and the practice, yet the ideal founded our nation, and inspired the founding of many others.
Still up to us to write the history of how, or whether, we believe enough to make that work.
mehrrh
(233 posts)You are not alone.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)I spent well over a decade defending Democrats on this website. Now I have no need or interest or desire to care about politics. There are bigger things, I'm finally realizing.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sooner rather than later.
Get the card, too, in case you find yourself in a situation and need to cross a land border in a hurry.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)necessity like a drivers license, I am not advocating leaving but having a passport is vital.
MADem
(135,425 posts)or face dire consequences, it's better to be able to make plans in a hurry than have to wait for sometimes uncooperative bureaucrats to produce said documents.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)passport card help you to expedite border crossings?..I better learn now sadly since info like this may (again sadly ) come in handy in the future
mnhtnbb
(31,388 posts)I don't carry my book passport on me at all times.
A scenario could come up where you'd need to leave immediately--not even go home to get your book passport (or out of a safe deposit box in a closed bank)--and you'd be able to cross into Canada or Mexico. You can't use it to fly.
In the past, it's been useful for people who routinely drive across the border and back again.
I renewed my passport immediately (it was due to expire next year) after the election. I ordered the card, too, even though I live in NC
and wouldn't expect to use it. But I will start carrying it with me after Jan 20th. I urged my adult children to renew their passports, too, and not wait
to do it during the Trump regime.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)document on hand--it is the size of a driver's license. One doesn't necessarily always cart the passport about. Who knows, that could change in Trumpistan....
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Hundreds of thousands died
Vinca
(50,271 posts)No Supreme Court appointments in the last year of a president's term. If it works for them, it works for us. (That said, I hope RBG is around for many more years than 3 or 4.)
barbtries
(28,794 posts)i still do not follow the news the way i did before the election. Though in an effort to uphold the first amendment, I subscribed to the NYTimes, LATimes, Washington Post. I was already a member of TYT and the David Pakman Show. I donated to Slate, Mother Jones, Daily Kos, SPLC. NAACP, and more.
For Christmas I made a powerpoint for my children and grandchildren letting them know what they got for Christmas. I'd donated or subscribed the Christmas budget away.
Keith Olbermann's The Resistance, which you can watch on YouTube, has really resonated with me since the election. Rachel Maddow recently did an excellent piece on Putin, which i take to be informative regarding Trump's possible end game, which frankly I have not figured out other than to siphon off as much wealth for himself as humanly possible. I have a theory that in his infantile narcissism, he's just getting back at all the people who refused his cult. i do not know.
Once you have caught up you will find that nothing has improved since Nov 8. The president elect is a nightmare rolling out slow. I never thought in a million years that my country could come to this.
remember you are not alone.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)A twilight zone of purposefully muted emotions. At work, in a very community orient membership organization, we all noticed a definite pall hanging over everything.
There was literally no election day-after talking among coworkers or with members. Even those I knew were staunch Republicans were weirdly quiet...some even ashamed.
No one who has spoken with me for more than five minutes over my 10+ years there doubts where my heart lies. A few of us commiserated ( i.e. Furiously ranted) out of earshot of members but even since November, things have been oddly down.
Even the Christmas/ Holiday season has been flat and lacking.
People are very nervous.
Scared and numb.
Angry and disgusted.
Embarrassed.
It is a potentially frightening new world order.
What do we do? RESIST. However and wherever you/we can. There are massive numbers behind us all. We have to make the calls as we go because this is a whole new playing field. But RESIST we must. Definitions will become clearer. But resistance is our common core.
Dave in VA
(2,037 posts)Found this quote that I want to share. Can't seem to find who to attribute this to officially. Many say it is from Winston Churchill, but can't be verified. Anyway, wanted to share...
Someone once asked a man how he was. He replied, Im going through hell! Said his friend: Well, keep on going. That is no place to stop!
Keep moving forward!
I do know who said this... "Stand up, get in the way!", Congressman John Lewis. I think he give good advice for our current situation.
recount now
(18 posts)With two trump electors not voting for trump if clinton campaign had officially joined recount we would have flipped michigan's 75,000 uncounted votes (mostly for clinton) and got the 9,000 percents in pennslyvania counted. We might be going to house of representatives now.
AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)like the plague. I do read print media - both paper and on-line.
And DU helps me keep my sanity.
But there are still threads that I trash and I continue adding to my Ignore List on a daily basis. I am not interested in putting up with sh**.
I am glad to see you back. And DU is great for support!
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)They_Live
(3,233 posts)where all of the children at school are scared the following day, because all the parents are upset.
I don't ever remember this happening before.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Disbelief? Oh, heck yes.
Anger? Oh, heck yes.
I honestly don't know how we will all make it for the next four years, and unlike some here, I don't think Trump will be impeached. I live in Texas, and down here at least, the idiots who supported him are too ignorant to understand anything that goes against him. They will take his word for gospel, and Trump and company will simply always blame someone else for anything that doesn't go the way he wants it to go. I truly and sincerely hope that I'm wrong and that there ARE some sane, compassionate Republicans. But in my opinion, the majority of the Republican Congress will understand that they either get on Trump's coattails, or else they face the wrath of his fury. He just makes crap up about anyone and spreads it like a vicious rumor. His supporters do the rest. His attack dogs.
Again, I'd love to be wrong. Love to wake up to this all having been a nightmare. But the reality is that we will have a crazy person in control as of January 20th, and there is nothing that is going to make me feel safe until someone who is not a maniac is in control again. I wouldn't consider Mike Pence sane either, so just getting rid of Trump won't end my nightmare.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I finally took my Hillary sticker off my car because they were yelling at me in the grocery store parking lot and a lot of them had gun racks in their trump trucks. My husband also relies on the state for his paycheck and they are after faculty in a big way saying all of them are liberals trying to "brainwash" their precious children.
southmost
(759 posts)this is my first reply/post since 11/9 ....still in trauma...shock doctrine all over again
Upthevibe
(8,051 posts)enormously complicit. I can't imagine ANYONE on our "side of the aisle" watching that ungodly inauguration. The thought repulses me. I may spend the day at The Self Realization Center in Pacific Palisades. It's a very beautiful and calming environment. Then, on Saturday, January 21st, I'll be in Downtown L.A. marching with like-minded people. It looks like the march will be a big one. I've heard a lot of big cities in other states are having marches as well (for those who can't make it to D.C.). I sincerely pray that the ratings for the inauguration are awful!!!
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)will lie about the numbers of people who are there, they are the "corporate media".
I also think there will be protests about tRump in Europe too.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)We need you just as we need all our DUers more than ever before. Even if it's just to tell us how your Trumpite neighbors are doing in the next 4 years. I guarantee that most of them will eventually feel used and abused by Trump himself. They will live to regret their blind faith in him. They too will suffer, and if they're bad off now, they'll be worse off in the next few years. You'll be our witness.
And here in DU you're safe and welcomed and needed.
Gothmog
(145,241 posts)I spent most of election night on the phone with my middle child who was so upset at the election results. I did my best to try to reassure her that we can survive Trump but I am not sure that I fully believe this. I am still not watching as much news as I used to. I understand your actions.