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(92,502 posts)quite eloquently provided.
The people who trump has made part of his team tell you exactly where he is coming from on the issues.
So yes, I too want that racist, sexist, anti-environment, bigoted agenda to fail miserably
brer cat
(24,646 posts)"Don't you want to make America great again?" "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Loaded questions seeking entrapment. He did very well to provide the context and take the wind out of their sails.
still_one
(92,502 posts)progressoid
(50,013 posts)"Do you think the country is going in the right/wrong direction?"
Without context, the answer is meaningless. I might think the country is going in the wrong direction for a completely different reason than a tea bagger.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,776 posts)the survey saying just that.
I say that your survey results are useless unless you allow input as to why. I say I will not criticize Obama in your surveys because you may interpret it to mean I think he's too liberal as opposed to what I actually think.
Now, I want to say the country is going in the wrong direction, but without the chance to make it clear that I feel that way because of Trump and other conservatives, I'm not sure how to answer now.
Once the Megalomaniac in Chief is sworn in, I'll have no problem saying the country is fucked.
JawJaw
(722 posts)Yeah, that old 'word-mincer' can stay safely tucked away in the kitchen drawer until our nightmare is over!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,125 posts)liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)The republican leaders in Congress want America to fail.
It is how they will kill all social programs; social security, medicare, FEMA, Department of Interior, EPA, Labor, Education and others.
It is how they will replace a democratic government with a totalitarian system.
It is how they will build the military to obscene levels.
It is how they will finish off the last of the middle class, creating two class society with extreme poverty across the nation.
Then they can force everyone to work for pennies.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)The people will Love to get a job paying pennies! How else will they be able to put food on their table...if they haven't already burned it for firewood.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)No choice will be the new way.
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lark
(23,191 posts)Beautiful succinct summary of his "killer" plans.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,476 posts)to be shared far and wide, something to print and carry, to memorize
SylviaD
(721 posts)...and Mike Pence to quietly decline the presidency.
That's what I want.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)And put president Hillary in office...while we're wishing.
brooklynboy49
(287 posts)n/t
SylviaD
(721 posts)hunter
(38,349 posts)Let Trump self-destruct after Pence goes down in flames.
It seems likely there's a lot of crap in Pence's closet, otherwise he wouldn't be Vice President.
The Republican party is held together by dirty secrets, blackmail, and policies of Mutual Assured Destruction.
That's probably how Dennis Hastert got to be speaker of the house. The Republican Party could keep him on a tight leash because they knew he was a child molester.
cstanleytech
(26,351 posts)is the most likely.
niyad
(113,860 posts)lastlib
(23,366 posts)brooklynboy49
(287 posts)Spot on, as always.
Cosmocat
(14,584 posts)All of this POS 70+ years have been about him being one huge suck - everything is about him, and he will stop at no means to fuck people over to benefit himself.
That only 1/3 of this dumb ass country sees that doesn't change the reality.
He is only for HIMSELF.
So, any person with the first fucking lick of sense wants him to fail.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)I beg to differ. One half of the country is probably a conservative estimate.
Cosmocat
(14,584 posts)1/3 of us see this shit clear as day and want no part of it.
1/3 of us are right wingers and get off on it.
1/3 of us are either "independents" or apolitical and either just don't care or are swayed enough by right wing bullshit to accept it.
This is one of those things that democrats, progressives, liberals need to wrap their heads around.
The jackasses have been running around unchecked for over a quarter century now with democrats twiddling their thumbs outside of having two superstar personalities run for POTUS.
With conservatives having a free reign to spout of complete nonsense for going on three decades we have completely lose the "middle." See, republicans with 2/3 power at the state level.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,031 posts)failed. It is up to us, the living, to be (once again) dedicated to the work of repairing our country.
Cosmocat
(14,584 posts)unfortunately "we" remain subject to the majority of stupid around us.
WE may see this shit clear as day, but 2/3 of the country does not.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Was that question posed to him as they stood uniformly in Obamas way to everything Obama tried to do during our economical melt down.
To hell with Donald Trump, his cabinet and baskkket of deplorables. I hope they fail and I'm not afraid to say so.
Cosmocat
(14,584 posts)need to, for fucking once, not bend over and vote with this ass holes.
There is a LOT of bad shit coming, they need to own it 100 percent.
lark
(23,191 posts)this is exactly what you can expect to see. He will stab us in the back repeatedly, is what I think.
Cosmocat
(14,584 posts)This is how democrats have done their part in last three decades to allowing us to get to this point.
Bucky
(54,094 posts)I want his malice to fail. It ain't personal. I want him not to do things that will harm American families
spanone
(135,924 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,454 posts)Which I'm reasonably assured has almost nothing to do with the general welfare of the American Public. I suppose that I would hope that Trump is successful in the way that ensures that we aren't annihilated in a nuclear conflagration.
world wide wally
(21,760 posts)This is another fine mess you've gotten us into
turbinetree
(24,745 posts)No I do not support a serial predator, pathological liar, fraud, narcissistic, megalomaniac authoritarian, racists , bigot fascist, and the "man" that he nominates to the U.S. Supreme Court is an illegitimate justice and his ruling should be null and void and fU Mitch McConnell and your treasonous team of fascist, if you didn't hear, here it it is again FU.
And also to your theocratic church members and appointees that he is going to put on the judicial benchs, FU
And Oh by the way f*** him and the horse that everyone of the right wing republicans rode in on, everyone one of them, and yeah, not only should they fail, but they eat s*** and should bark at the moon
He is not our president, by the votes cast, he is a LOSER 62 million deplorable jerks
Paladin
(28,283 posts)He means to take this country into the toilet. He's crazy, and his followers are too stupid to see what's coming, so it's up to us to do what we can to stop it. Whatever it takes.
I think he could take the country into the toilet and his followers will just say that the toilet is the best place to be. And that the media and left are lying about how great it is to live outside the toilet.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)you are governing, you have already failed.
lancelyons
(988 posts)Certainly I dont like many of the republican ideas but I am all for making the country better and to that end I hope he succeeds.
- I want my 401k to remain strong.
- I want to keep my job
- I want to have social security when I retire in 15 years.
- I dont want us in any wars
- I want my childrens lives to have many opportunities.
These are the core for me. Sure I want everybody to get along, to not have hate crimes because of your skin color or to be treated differently because of your religion and sex. But the ones above are more central to me and I hope those stay strong.
Would I love for those to stay strong while Trump and the republican imploded because of their bigotry and hate and misguided ideas, of course.
cheyanne
(733 posts)It's like a kid asking for the moon: yes, he will fail to get it . . .
His ideas of "winning" and "failing" are a small child's: what he wants is by definition "good" and what he doesn't want is "bad".
We know he will fail in "unifying" the country (i.e. suppressing opposition).
He will fail in creating new jobs and economic growth (i.e. by cutting taxes on the rich and improvishing the workers).
He will fail in securing peace (i.e. dominating the world by aggression and fear).
We can only fight to protect our democracy against his kleptocracy and protect the world against his fellow dictators.
NNadir
(33,583 posts)...there are plenty of people who should have failed for the betterment of the world at large.
This is a man who is committed to destroying the future entirely.
In a Democracy, such as this is at least partially a democracy, one gets what one deserves. Our country has committed a crime by installing a destructive and unstable freak, a racist, a misogynist, a thin skinned psychopath without a trace of humanity or ethics.
We deserve the failure we are going to experience.
The only good thing about this situation is the US capacity to find and bring forward great leaders after a fall, Lincoln after Pierce and Buchanan, FDR after Coolidge (a right wing hero) and Hoover.
Let us hope for that chance to succeed, some great leader to undo the damage Trump is sure to do, ironically to the uneducated deplorables who "elected" him, but let us fight this failure out of the box as much as we can, to at least minimize what will surely be outrageous destruction.
no_hypocrisy
(46,300 posts)Obama inherited a failed country from * and restored it and without the help of a single Republican.
FDR inherited a failed country from Hoover and restored it.
Failure is a relative term. But if Trump "succeeds", we may not have a democracy at the end of his term.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Unfortunately, I think he will fail us.
SamKnause
(13,114 posts)I want the Republicans policies and agendas to fail.
They represent the 1% and do damage and destruction to the 99%.
I want them to fail miserably.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)made when we said they wanted America to fail because they said they wanted Obama to fail... but it's different now because Trump!
ret5hd
(20,563 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)It's just interesting to see the symmetry. The fear we have of Trump is not unlike the fear they had of Obama. Their fear was ridiculous and unfounded because they're wrong, but ours is fine because we're right. 8 years ago, you needed to respect the office and if you wanted the president to fail, you were "against America". Now, some of the people who made that argument decided it's no longer convenient and have started making the exact opposite argument, but it's different now, because we know we're right and they're wrong.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Lets say my neighbor and I are afraid of each other. My neighbor is afraid of me because I have a different skin color. I'm afraid of him because he told me directly that he's going to burn my house down and murder my family. On a surface level, you could simplify it as "we are afraid of each other". But if you look at any kind of context, it's pretty clear there's a clear difference here.
It's the same thing here. One side is afraid based on vaugue or false irrational reasons. The other side is afraid because Trump has a concrete history of fucking people over, has made direct threats to our lives, and associated with/hired people even more threatening.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Eight years ago, when Obama won, many people on our side made the argument that the "office" should be respected and that we should all want the president to do well because it's in everyone's best interests. Certainly, that seems to be a logical argument. It was made in vague terms rather than specifics, because it makes people look like they're standing on a principle rather than just making the case because our guy was in and their guy was out.
Republicans said they "hoped he failed". Now they could have meant much the same thing as in the OP, but people here tried to frame this argument as hoping America failed. Anyone who wasn't rooting for president Obama was rooting against America.
Now the country has elected a republican jackass and those who may have appeared to stand on principle 8 years ago, when it was convenient for them, are nowhere to be found. The framing of the argument equating support for the president and the country is no longer convenient, so it's time to stuff it away in a trunk for the next 4 years until it will likely get dusted off and brought back in Jan 2021. At the same time, there's some republican somewhere dusting off his old arguments that he hasn't been willing to use in the last 8 years since the last time "their guy" was in office, but we both know the republicans will be saying that hoping for trump to fail is hoping for America to fail and trying to frame the argument the same way we have been.
But thank you very much for making my point... THEIR fears are irrational, ours are not, so it's completely different. Everyone's fears seem rational to the person who holds them.
ret5hd
(20,563 posts)Their "fear" of Obama was not based on fear of his policies truly destroying the country. In fact, much is not "fear" at all. Frustration maybe, but not "fear". From the pols and rich, frustration of their inability to gut ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, SS, etc and grab those last evasive dollars with their bloody red hands. There was no "fear" of the country collapsing into chaos or tragedy. Those fears simply weren't there. Nobody truly thought that ever-so-slightly more stringent air/water regulations were going to strangle the country and plunge it into a dystopian hellhole...they might truly disagree but did not "fear". The same can be said for policies regarding inheritance taxes, unemployment insurance, and myriad others. If there was any "fear" it was fear that these policies would prove popular and effective, thus subjecting any of their future pronouncements to deeper scrutiny.
Amongst us hoi-polloi, those who are neither rich nor powerful, there was no widespread fear of nuclear destruction. There was true fear of losing a job (and all that can accompany that situation). A truly respectful fear that is. A fear all of us may have felt, coal miner or no. But a "fear" of BLM? No. A "fear" of clean water regulations? No. A "fear" of Grandma getting too much healthcare from Medicare? No. A "fear" of political correctness? No.
I submit that the fears of Trump, while symmetrical, are objectively different than the fears of Obama/Clinton/Dems-In-General. The fears of Trump are based on "the world", fairness, sustainability, equality.
Theirs, amongst the pols and rich, are based on simple greed. The hindrance we are to their squeezing the last of our dignity from us till we fall to our knees pleading for any small crumb of sustenance. Amongst the more common (but Republican) folk, theirs is a more personal fear. Jobs, identity, a place in the world. But they don't "fear" not being able to call a Black "that word". It pisses them off, but that's not fear.
I know I know...way too rambling and disjointed. But I think you get my drift.
Geez, Bradical79 said in 1/4 of the words what I was trying to say.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Look, if republicans knew a good idea when they saw one, or understood the real, future implications of actual policy proposals, they wouldn't be republicans. To a republican, a regulation that says you can't put sewage in the drinking water may (using their logic) lead to some situation where the government starts stealing your own well water and selling it back to you. Also, I think there's this idea on both sides that THEIR president is all powerful, but OUR president can't do anything without approval.
Some progressive pundit who once attended an Obama luncheon says they should confiscate all guns, and all the sudden, there's a fear that Obama will implement that policy. You and I may not consider that rational, but they did. Some conservative pundit suggests that the president will censor and "disappear" anyone who speaks out negatively about his administration, and people here are talking about it like it's just weeks away. I don't consider this a rational fear either, but there are people here that seem to have it.
3catwoman3
(24,109 posts)...Democrats and Republicans.
This is about the difference between decency and depravity.
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)Yes I want these policies to fail
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)louis-t
(23,310 posts)destroy civilization, the planet, North America, the east coast, or D. C. WE don't want him to wreck the economy again, but he will. The ideology hasn't changed.
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)ffr
(22,677 posts)When he inevitably goes down in flames as the Worst President Ever. And that's saying a lot about his incompetence. Just look at GWB, the current title holder and poster boy for incompetence.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)will want him to fail. EVERY ONE of his policies, such as they are, are based on racism, xenophobia, mysogyny, hatred of LBBTs; in other words, hatred. EVERYONE should want him to fail, and fail badly, humiliatingly.
His Cabinet and WH staff choices alone should warn us of the very real dangers ahead. YES, I want him to fail.
MrPurple
(985 posts)I shudder thinking how much the orange nightmare is going to gut the EPA, climate change, the deficit with tax cuts for the wealthiest, unnecessary military spending.
The only silver lining would be if he manages to become so extremely unpopular that it generates a significant wave election for the Democrats in 2020, so that they take back a lot of state legislatures/governorships. Then, with the 2020 census, they could undo the shit gerrymandering that has left the Rethugs in control of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, even when they get fewer votes.
There's no way Trump isn't going to be a disaster. The important thing is that in 2020, Americans on both sides of the aisle view him as one.
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)doesn't matter my or anyone wanting, he will fail because he is a fucking moron.
and he will.
If maggot can be counted on to do anything its to make himself rich
and FAIL at all else.
LisaL
(44,982 posts)zentrum
(9,866 posts)
.in terms of policy. And he would be next in line.
I want Trumpism to fail.
It's catastrophic.
Warpy
(111,437 posts)No more Twitter, no being able to punch in those nuclear codes, no more pointing that finger to scold the rest of us.
Ocelot Aardvark
(1 post)You got some nerve linking Twump's failure with the country's failure.
If the INSANE-ORANGE-MENACE succeeds, that is when the country will fail.
I will do everything in my power to prevent Twump from succeeding in anything and everything he does.
Furthermore, I will give the SLOBBERING-GROPING-GOON the same measure of recognition and respect that he,
for 8 years, gave to President Obama
ZERO!
gopiscrap
(23,767 posts)MarinCoUSA
(891 posts)Every fail by Ornage Pustule is a win for the country
judesedit
(4,443 posts)It would've been any ReTHUG. It was carefully choreographed over years. Let's watch them as they screw their own mothers and children. The poor things have to live with this tragedy now for years to come, along with the rest of the sane and insane.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)If he does something to mitigate Climate Change and creates jobs in renewable energy alternatives for millions of people I hope he succeeds. If he does the opposite I hope he fails.
Simple.
adigal
(7,581 posts)jmowreader
(50,589 posts)He's going to. The question is, HOW is he going to fail? There are two options.
The first and most desirable is Trump failing in a way that improves, or at least doesn't harm, the country - he can't repeal Obamacare, he can't ban abortion, he can't defund public education.
The other? He gets what he wants, those things blow up in his face, and he takes the country with him.
The Republicans WILL go nuclear and kill the filibuster. Bet on it. When they do, the Democrats need to stand very firmly AGAINST every damn thing Trump wants. The GOP must own the devastation they are about to create.
Paladin
(28,283 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Limbaugh's excuse for hoping Obama fails -- 'Dems did it too' -- is baloney
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x429835
Skittles
(153,298 posts)he's supposed to bring us together but after losing the popular vote by THREE MILLION VOTES, he goes on a "victory tour"
FUCK YOU DONALD FUCKING TRUMP
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)DallasNE
(7,404 posts)world wide wally
(21,760 posts)Raine
(30,541 posts)to have as president..
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,860 posts)among other things.