********* BREAKING *********CARRIE FISHER HAS DIED
I wish this year would end already.
RIP
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An AED would be unlikely to have helped. That doesn't mean that one would not have been useful 25-30 minutes earlier
I have searched, and have not seen any mention (even on twitter or on boards frequented by airline employees) that an AED was available - or attempted. As you correctly indicate - it will sometimes tell you not to us it. But it can't do that until you largely strip the person and attach the electrodes. That process is certainly something that would have been noticed and mentioned by someone - for example - the individuals who reported that she was not breathing.
You put more faith in the specific language retroactively describing her condition. I have not seen the phrase "full cardiac arrest" used in connection with the initial incident (as opposed to her state on deplaning - generally unattributed), or by the medical personnel involved in providing care on the plane. (The air traffic communication merely described her as "unresponsive."
I have also not seen it used afterward by anyone describing the acute incident, as opposed to her state 10-15 minutes later when she deplaned.
There are several articles connected with her heart attack that expressly discuss AED - but none suggest there was one present, or that any attempt was made to use one on her.
(I am not a medical professional, but I have been trained extensively (as a mandatory responder) and repeatedly in CPR/AED. As I indicated, I have been waiting for this outcome, based on what I know about the reports of using CPR and how long she was out. From the beginning, though, the lack of any mention of an AED has stuck out to me like a sore thumb. I can't imagine a heart incident in which it would not have been appropriate to at least attach the AED in order to evaluate whether it would be useful. Had that happened, I can't imagine that no one commented on it - since it is not a process that would have been invisible.)
William of Ockham. Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case, the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is.
I should add here that I have rendered medical aid on a flight. Earlier this year. An AED was present but neither the device nor CPR were required.
Now, back to Occam's razor. Let's examine the competing scenarios in a logical manner.
AED is present.
Supporting facts:
AEDs are required "no go" equipment on all US commercial aircraft typically carrying 30 passengers or
5. When is an emergency medical kit and an AED required and on what size of aircraft?
The FAA requires AEDs on all airplanes of air carriers operating under part 121 with a maximum payload capacity of more than 7,500 pounds and with at least one flight attendant. Affected airplanes typically would have a capacity for 30 passengers or more requiring at least one flight attendant. The FAA also requires an EMK on all airplanes of air carriers operating
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AC 121-33B 1/12/06
under part 121 for which at least one flight attendant is required. EMKs and AEDs are “no-go” items and must be carried as indicated on the Minimum Equipment List.
and certainly this section informs us how many are involved with ensuring AEDs are present
4. Who should read this AC?
FAA aviation safety inspectors (cabin safety and operations), part 121 air carrier certificate holders, directors of operations, directors of safety, crewmembers, AED manufacturers and suppliers, EMK suppliers, as well as people involved in the development of air carrier procedures and training programs. This AC may also be valuable to people associated with operations under 14 CFR part 125, part 135, and subpart K of part 91 (fractional ownership programs).
Assumptions required:
* The airline/flight was in compliance and an AED was present
* The AED was not used owing to patient condition (all accounts report at least one trained medical professional on board, so failure to use the AED is not a plausible explanation)
AED is not present
supporting facts:
none
Assumptions required:
* The airline chose not to comply or enforce compliance with the law OR
* The flight crew chose to ignore the absence of an AED on the pre-flight checklist
* The flight crew did not report or leak to the press the absence of this required item following an on-board medical emergency involving a very famous person
* The medical personnel did not report or leak to the press the absence of this common equipment following a medical emergency involving a very famous person
* None of the many reporters and journalists reporting on this story thought to inquire as to whether an AED was present on board, or they are also somehow involved with being silent
* Family and/or friends have not inquired about the measures undertaken in flight including use of an AED, or have said nothing about an absence of such equipment
When I rendered aid to a passenger, I was thoroughly impressed with the efficient and quiet manner with which the attendants afforded the patient with space and privacy. Your scenario of presumably dragging Ms. Fisher into open view and stripping her bare in full view of the passengers sounds more like a movie scene than what I have witnessed.
Also: Defibrillator pads are not normally place on the back of the torso of an adult patient.
Goodnight sweet princess and flights of angles wing thee to thy rest.
there are 4 days left.
from their mortal coils have a chance to slip them!
This one bothers me like John Ritter's death did. I rarely feel a celebrity's death like this but this one hurts.
Having grown up with Debbie Reynolds movies etc.. and Carrie being my age - it feels like family. My heart breaks for her mom.
and diary the experience, well, it certainly was her.
I wanted to read that book so badly.
The newsreader spoke of her in the past tense before announcing death. I was already crying from the movie.
Rest in Peace, Ms. Fisher.
TlalocW
