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[uponit7771]

1. Another sit in would be loud and noticable

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. What good would that do?

[uponit7771]

9. attention to the fact that we're still here and going to fight Benedict Donald

[bdamomma]

13. We the People

Power in numbers, people can make a difference, to be silent is consent.

some things to think about.

[HoneyBadger]

10. So would mooning and farting at the Republicans at the beginning of each session

[uponit7771]

11. That too... fuck it ... they deserve no respect and might be funny.

[Hoyt]

2. I'd prefer we say we will support legislation good for the people, but oppose any that is not.

Besides, we can obstruct everything, but if GOPers want to ram it down our throats, they can because they have the votes and Prez. Failed obstruction ain't going to look good either.

[Bettie]

8. Do you honestly believe they will put forth ANYTHING

that is good for the people?

OK, maybe good for corporate persons.

Maybe good for .01% persons.

But for regular people? Nope. Not in the cards, Republicans don't work that way.

[Hoyt]

16. As much as I despise george war bush, he did sign the Medicare Drug legislation which was huge for

elderly who could not afford prescription drugs before 2005. It has faults, but I've seen elderly cuttingills in thirds or just going without. Similarly bush did not entertain calls for deporting Latinos. That's about it, but both of those are huge.

So, yes, there are things we can help shape that make life better for most people. Opposing everything is ignorant politics, as GOPers demonstrated.

[Bettie]

18. There is a world of difference between

W and the people in charge now.

Ryan is just an evil little dickhead and now he gets to do whatever he wants to and what he wants is to make people's lives a living hell.

Have you seen the people who will probably in charge of everything? We're not going to see anything useful, but never fear, I have no doubt that our intrepid congressional Dem leadership will do as they are told and put forth nothing more than token resistance before falling in line and passing whatever comes down the pike.

[Hoyt]

19. Truthfully, token resistance is about all we have.

[Bettie]

22. So, we just lie down and wait for it to end

the nation that is or at least the version in which the little people matter.

No hope. No escape. Just corporate rule from now until we die.

Sounds awesome, doesn't it?

[Hoyt]

24. Sounds awful. Too bad more folks didn't think of this before Nov. 8. Whining for 4 years

isn't going to help. Preparing for 2018 and 2020, and local elections is the best way to get even.

[Bettie]

26. They count the votes

they draw the districts and our side isn't willing to fight.

Where are we supposed to see even a glimmer of light? I have kids and I do not even see a future for them. Not here anyway.

[Hoyt]

29. 2018 is the glimmer of light, in my opinion. When Kerry lost in 2004, I felt like everything was los

for months. But, we made it through and had Obama for 8 years. I think the same will happen now. If things go anywhere near as bad as we fear, GOPers will be beatable.

[angrychair]

25. I respectfully disagree

Hope is all we have. Resistances are built on hope. (Yes I stole that line 😬

Cooperation or compromise is not an option. We should not be legitimizing this administration and especially a fascist rapist like trump.

Trump is a narcissistic, racist, bigoted and xenophobic fascist. We are either united in our fight against his agenda or we will all become a victim of it.

[Hoyt]

27. Trump is all of that and worse, but GOPers have the votes when it comes down to it.

[angrychair]

30. Nominally, maybe...

But the reality is that politicians like getting elected and reelected. More than their values...their pride...their religion. Power corrupts completely.
More importantly, as a citizen, no matter your politics, they will not stand idle as someone takes away a person's cheese sandwich and hands them a shit sandwich they are calling "prime rib". Remember 40% of SNAP recipients are white

The highest number of people without healthcare are white.

This is NOT a minority issue as racist like to make it out to be. These policies will dramatically impact far more whites than people of color. These people vote. Don't expect a lot of movement of this new republican agenda.

[Hoyt]

33. I agree publicly stating why proposed legislation is wrong. But I'd also look for ways to shape

legislation even if it's not perfect. We have things that need to get done, even if it's not perfect. Do we prevent $11 an hour minimum wage in rural areas because we want $15? I don't think so, besides we won't get $15 everywhere.

[angrychair]

34. Your optimism is refreshing

But I think $11/hr in rural areas is a fantasy.

Yes, there are things to get done but they are not getting done with this Congress or trump. Nor should we cooperate to help it. Sorry, I would no more do business with a rapist and bigot in my private life than I would in my political life. Fuck him. Making a deal with him will always benefit him. He will always take the glory and shit on everything else. Never.

[kentuck]

28. Word.

And he has not taken one step to compromise with us. Knowing what we know about him, why would we join with him on anything?

[guillaumeb]

3. Obstruction, coupled with a specific explanation as to HOW and WHY

they feel the GOP proposals are bad.

Any attempts to repeal the ACA should trigger stories about how many people will lose access to care. And be specific, especially in states that supported Trump and the GOP.

[unblock]

4. They should make that statement *after* the senate rules are set

Don't want to encourage them to get rid of the filibuster altogether. That's our last remaining bit of power.

[tritsofme]

5. There is no restriction on when a Senate majority can act to change the rules.

It is perhaps a bit easier to accomplish at the start of a term when all of the standing rules along with any changes are passed by majority vote, however when Reid changed the rules on judicial and executive nominees, it was in the middle of the session.

[unblock]

7. Agreed but like you said, it's harder.

Why make it easy for them.

[Chasstev365]

12. NO SP COURT NOMINATION HEARINGS

until Merrick Garland goes through the Committee Hearings process first! FUCK Mitch McConnell!

[AlexSFCA]

14. no SC

IMO, democrats should block every SC nominee while they can. After 2018, republicans may become 60 votes in the senate but until then...

[elmac]

15. NO SC and shut the government down when need be

do what ever it takes, the people don't give a shit so lets F them up bad. To quote Unforgiven, not gentle like before... but bad.

[AgadorSparticus]

17. +1,000

[TonyPDX]

20. Wouldn't want to interrupt their vacation in order to save the country. Priorities are priorities.

[cpmx2006]

21. Obstruct obstruct obstruct!

The results of the election is evidence that obstruct works because the Rethugs were rewarded bigly for it...

[kentuck]

23. Ideally...

They would find 2 or 3 Republicans that are against the nominees and follow their lead. IF McCain and Graham are against a nominee, then we should follow McCain and Graham. Otherwise, the Democrats have no leverage.

However, they can bring out the facts and tell the people exactly who the majority is voting for. Don't rush thru any votes. Drag 'em out, even if you don't have the votes. Except for SC nominees, the debate can be ended with a simple majority is my understanding?

But, the Democrats need to work just a little harder and longer than they have in the past, in my opinion.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Bernie has already fired off a "warning shot." Look for him to critique Donny Tiny Hand's every move!

[gulliver]

32. Obstruct yes, but don't forget to counter-propose

"No, and here's what we think would be better" is better than just "No." Democrats have an advantage here. Republicans just want to tear things down, so every time they obstruct, all they can do is say "No." Democrats can actually counter-propose. A classic example is the Republican "Repeal and Replace" approach to Obamacare (and soon Social Security and Medicare). They never had a need to talk about the Replace part of the equation when they were obstructing Obama. Democrats can talk about it.

[kentuck]

35. Should the Democrats work with them to improve the ACA ?

We would have to agree that there are some parts that need fixed but some parts that the people want and need.