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Why Putin is being "so nice" in response: (Original Post) Equinox Moon Dec 2016 OP
Yep.. ghostsinthemachine Dec 2016 #1
Putin will ride the Blackmail Train. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2016 #8
Be very hard for any real American to reverse 12/29 EOs & annex to sanction EO. Sunlei Dec 2016 #2
"real American" is the key here Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #3
Not so fast. It is not like these sanctions are done unilaterally. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #4
I don't trust trump Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #6
My post never intimated that there is anything good about Trump. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #9
Thanks for the clarity of your point Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #10
Then the knive is thrust into the back... kentuck Dec 2016 #5
He knows that in 3 weeks his Man-Child will reset everything back to pre-Crimea invasion times. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #7
With Trump & Co in the White House... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #11
So true! Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #13
Think Reagan and the release of the embassy hostges DFW Dec 2016 #12
Yup Johnny2X2X Dec 2016 #14
No I don't Dan Dec 2016 #17
The criminals are colluding as we speak. Lint Head Dec 2016 #15
+1, I give it at most 6 months uponit7771 Dec 2016 #16
Here's what I think might happen: Oneironaut Dec 2016 #18
Wow. That is a lot. Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #19
Indeed! I should have said "Could happen," lest I look like a chicken little. Oneironaut Dec 2016 #20

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
2. Be very hard for any real American to reverse 12/29 EOs & annex to sanction EO.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 11:33 AM
Dec 2016

The bar for trump & any Republican Putin 'buddies' are prove the extensive criminal hacks aren't a national security issue. They are. (Executive Order 13694, a sanction EO- has been amended)

Presidential Memorandum on December 29, 2016
Letter from the President -- Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency with Respect to Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities


Executive Order on December 29, 2016
Annex to Executive Order -- Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency with Respect to Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities


Executive Order on December 29, 2016
Executive Order -- Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency with Respect to Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities


read them here, https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
3. "real American" is the key here
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 11:37 AM
Dec 2016

bully-man and his cronies are not real Americans.

Thanks for the link. I will read it later.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
4. Not so fast. It is not like these sanctions are done unilaterally.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 11:44 AM
Dec 2016

There is bipartisan support. You give Trump waaay too much credit.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
9. My post never intimated that there is anything good about Trump.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:24 PM
Dec 2016

And you certainly won't hear me saying anything kind about him, either. He IS anti American.

What I said is that he can't do shit when there is bipartisan support for the sanctions. He can't do whatever the hell he wants by himself. That is not how our political system works. He needs republican support and he doesn't have it. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are on board.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
10. Thanks for the clarity of your point
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:27 PM
Dec 2016

I understand he is supposed to not be able to operate alone. I think he will try.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
12. Think Reagan and the release of the embassy hostges
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:47 PM
Dec 2016

The script for this screenplay was written long ago.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
14. Yup
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:57 PM
Dec 2016

Along with some nuclear secrets and the green light to invade Poland. Putin is running the world now, the US will do whatever he tells them to do now.

Dan

(3,554 posts)
17. No I don't
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:27 PM
Dec 2016

Think so... hate to say it, but I think if the "duck" becomes a clear and present danger to our nation and allies - then considering that the Intellegent Agencies are probably in agreement, then the branches of the military come to some agreement - we might see a coup. But, I think that there will be some back door communication to Congress to give them a chance act - prior to that event... but more in more, I think that after the "duck" signs all the shit bills that Ryan and Turtle want, then they will impeach him and make "Pence-God-hates-everything-not-white-and-straight' president. But, there is a probably a line that the Intelligent Agencies and Military will not allow to be crossed by the "duck".

My thoughts.

Oneironaut

(5,493 posts)
18. Here's what I think might happen:
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 05:21 PM
Dec 2016

Trump takes office, and Putin continues to stroke Trump's ego. Then, Russia provokes the Ukrainian government to attack their soldiers. This leads to a full-scale invasion. Trump remains completely silent and does nothing.

Then, one-by-one, Putin performs regime change in Poland's neighbors. Finally, Poland is besieged and threatened. Russia won't invade Poland, but they'll try to destroy them from within.

Finally, they build strategic bases around the world to counter US bases. Russia now had strategic locations, and can destroy most US bases around the world. Governments who once supported the US and had military bases for US soldiers have their governments overthrown in favor of Russian influence.

Around the end of Trump's first term, Russia changes from ego-stroking and friendly to jingoistic and threatening. They begin an espionage campaign to destroy NATO, and begin to bully a significantly weakened US to get what they want. Trump has no choice but to appease Putin, who has now replaced the US as the world's super power.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
19. Wow. That is a lot.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 07:51 PM
Dec 2016

We don't know, but your point is that there are some very scary things that could happen.

I would add that bullyman puts US at risk with all his businesses that will be targets, his mental instability he can't control, and being blackmailed. I have heard that mentioned many times that he could be blackmailed. Wow. What a mess!

Oneironaut

(5,493 posts)
20. Indeed! I should have said "Could happen," lest I look like a chicken little.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 08:52 PM
Dec 2016

Putin and Trump are currently both malevolent unknowns. What I mean is, you can kind of see what they're doing, and while it isn't obvious yet, it definitely isn't good.

Putin would do all if that if he could, imo. Without a forceful US counter-balance, it becomes very unpredictable.

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