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spanone

(135,795 posts)
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 09:28 PM Dec 2016

McCain: Russian cyberintrusions an 'act of war'

(CNN)Sen. John McCain said Friday that Russia's alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election amounted to an "act of war."

The Arizona Republican, who is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, also has scheduled a hearing for next week on foreign cyberthreats to the US, which will also focus on Russian cyberhacking, a committee aide told CNN earlier Friday.

McCain, who is one of Washington's most prominent foreign policy hardliners, has criticized the recent sanctions and expulsions announced by the Obama administration this week as insufficient and belated. He made his latest comments in Ukraine, a nation threatened by a resurgent Russia, after meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.

"When you attack a country, it's an act of war," McCain said of the recent hackings on Ukrainian TV, according to a transcript compiled by Reuters. "And so we have to make sure that there is a price to pay so that we can perhaps persuade Russians to stop this kind of attacks on our very fundamentals of democracy."


http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/30/politics/mccain-cyber-hearing/index.html
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McCain: Russian cyberintrusions an 'act of war' (Original Post) spanone Dec 2016 OP
Senator McCain is correct. nm AmericanActivist Dec 2016 #1
I've been shaking my head over being glad Hortensis Dec 2016 #22
when Congress re-convenes will he introduce a declaration of war against Russia onenote Jan 2017 #26
Senator what about the complicit traitor about to take the oath of office POTUS? gordianot Dec 2016 #2
Why are there not more Repubs that back McCain on this? panader0 Dec 2016 #3
i imagine they are afraid of the new emperors wrath. spanone Dec 2016 #4
Wonder what his response will be about the hack into the Vermont utility if a hack in the shraby Dec 2016 #5
It *certainly* is...and those who aided and abetted it are committing TREASON LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #6
Are you writing to Democrats urging them to introduce a declaration of war when Congress reconvenes onenote Jan 2017 #27
It's the act of a hostile state, but not actually war, you dottering old twit Bucky Dec 2016 #7
Of course it's war. Russia is a poor, backwards Hortensis Dec 2016 #20
I appreciate your opinion, but you got your facts wrong. Bucky Dec 2016 #24
Sophistry. But hopefully we'll still be indulging in silly Hortensis Jan 2017 #25
all irrelevant because Russia is a major nuclear power. Going to war against them is unthinkable jack_krass Jan 2017 #30
Cyber attacks on our systems every minute, and we think the Hortensis Jan 2017 #31
Try not to conflate 'response' and 'war.' LanternWaste Jan 2017 #32
Is he on cocaine? AngryAmish Dec 2016 #8
Hope McCain can get enough support, only one on the right with a clue about the current hack. sarcasmo Dec 2016 #9
Maverick McCain on the warpath mountain grammy Dec 2016 #10
then take away their prize. mopinko Dec 2016 #11
Full on trade embargo against Russia. Initech Dec 2016 #12
The Republican Draft-&-Tax Dodger in Chief, Comrade Casino, does not do war (himself) Achilleaze Dec 2016 #13
McGramps is a warmonger malaise Dec 2016 #14
Would someone please explain to me why McCain is the ONLY one I see talking about this? Hugin Dec 2016 #15
they love mr trump. he's a media creation and they must support him in every way possible. spanone Dec 2016 #16
I take back part of what I said... Hugin Dec 2016 #18
Well, if we can't take down Trump, it's time to start taking down the media in smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #21
So true.. too many tune in to be brainwashed. Cha Dec 2016 #23
war talk is cheap until you're the one RegexReader Dec 2016 #17
mccain is the one frothing at the mouth. spanone Dec 2016 #19
Me thinks it's time for McCain to retire, he's loosing his mind. frankieallen Jan 2017 #28
what if the President approves of it ? JI7 Jan 2017 #29

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. I've been shaking my head over being glad
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:43 AM
Dec 2016

Arizona voters didn't retire him to pasture. But I am. He's one of a tiny number of Republicans in Congress who have national stature and are strong enough to oppose the enormous machine powering trumpism.

The rest, hundreds, are cowering before the very real threat having the right's own fake media deployed against them. Plus, most conservative elected "leaders" are actually typical authoritarian followers whose emotional as well as political safe space is "in line."

onenote

(42,607 posts)
26. when Congress re-convenes will he introduce a declaration of war against Russia
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 06:26 PM
Jan 2017

And will you urge Democrats to support a declaration of war against Russia?

If not, this is just hyperbole.

gordianot

(15,234 posts)
2. Senator what about the complicit traitor about to take the oath of office POTUS?
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 09:38 PM
Dec 2016

Who will be the first in Congress to suggest Trump is a traitor?

shraby

(21,946 posts)
5. Wonder what his response will be about the hack into the Vermont utility if a hack in the
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 10:28 PM
Dec 2016

election is an act of war. Double down war?

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
6. It *certainly* is...and those who aided and abetted it are committing TREASON
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 10:31 PM
Dec 2016

plain and fucking simple.

onenote

(42,607 posts)
27. Are you writing to Democrats urging them to introduce a declaration of war when Congress reconvenes
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 06:27 PM
Jan 2017

If not, why not?

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
7. It's the act of a hostile state, but not actually war, you dottering old twit
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 10:35 PM
Dec 2016

McCain seems jealous that the Democrats are denouncing someone more than he was. So obviously he's got to turn it up to 11 with his usual belligerent hysterics

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Of course it's war. Russia is a poor, backwards
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:37 AM
Dec 2016

mess of a nation; yes, with an oversized military, but no match for us. It has almost no manufacturing aside from munitions, and its GDP is maybe half the size of California's.

Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union from this underdeveloped, mislead wreck, but before he can invade and take over European nations he has to take out the U.S. and with it NATO. It's war on the U.S. just as the 9/11 attacks were war.

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
24. I appreciate your opinion, but you got your facts wrong.
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:54 PM
Dec 2016

It's espionage. It's political influence and manipulation. But "act of war" is a legal term and what they've done is not that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Sophistry. But hopefully we'll still be indulging in silly
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 06:23 PM
Jan 2017

arguments from our wheelchairs 20 years from now and and never, ever know right down to our sorrowful marrow that war is not just a legal term.

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
- One guess who.
 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
30. all irrelevant because Russia is a major nuclear power. Going to war against them is unthinkable
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 07:25 PM
Jan 2017

Any sort of conflict has the potential to quickly escalate into a full blown nuclear holocaust.

McCain's sabre rattling is extremely irresponsible.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Cyber attacks on our systems every minute, and we think the
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 09:01 PM
Jan 2017

only weapons of mass destruction are nuclear? WE ARE DEPENDENT ON OUR INTERCONNECTED SYSTEMS FOR LIFE. We can't survive without.

The typical household couldn't maintain for more than a week, many far less, even where people weren't frozen out before. Millions of people live in homes heated only by electricity. And municipal water pumps stop pumping when any backup power generators stop. Obama has advanced preparedness a great deal over what we had. Local governments are required to have disaster plans for just this kind of thing and are empowered to take control and confiscate supplies for common use. Hospitals are now required to be able to supply their own power for four days. The fifth...

Imagine power down for weeks in that western grid--in August. The rest of the nation'd be scrambling to limit deaths, but bulldozers would be digging mass graves across the region anyway.



Btw, speaking of nuclear also, just one well-designed nuclear bomb COULD take out power to much to most of the U.S. for a very long time if exploded at high altitude as an electromagnetic pulse weapon--too high for us to be hurt by blast wave or radiation but the right height to take out much to most of our electronic systems, with various degrees of possible catastrophic damage to our power grids, building systems, communications, the electronics in our cars and homes. ISIS might launch a low-tech bomb from a ship off one of the coasts for more limited but still devastating damage to that side of the country.

Cyber or nuclear, other advanced nations do have this capability, we have the capability, a mutual deterrence, thing--but. First of all, WHO did it? As for who's most damaged, most of Russia is poor and not that developed, able to live without our HVAC systems, our constant food deliveries to many thousands of supermarkets, our water piped in from far away; and of course Iran, North Korea, China, Iraq, etc., are not exactly well known for their U.S.-level concern for their populations' lives, much less modern comforts and conveniences. We are far more dependent for life on our systems than most of the world. 300 million of us.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. Try not to conflate 'response' and 'war.'
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 01:48 PM
Jan 2017

Try not to conflate 'response' and 'war.' They are two wholly separate concepts.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
10. Maverick McCain on the warpath
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 12:37 AM
Dec 2016

But I'm a bit uneasy with "war talk" around trump. I feel as if Netanyahu is pushing the buttons about the Iran deal with trump but remember that his good pal Putin signed on too. What's a fellow to do? It's all so complicated for a tiny mind.

mopinko

(70,023 posts)
11. then take away their prize.
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 01:30 AM
Dec 2016

as long as they get their puppet in the white house, i am sure they dont give 2 shits what mr get off my lawn says about him and his friends.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
12. Full on trade embargo against Russia.
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 01:45 AM
Dec 2016

And sanction Exxon while we're at it. Keep Tillerson from getting his precious billions.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
13. The Republican Draft-&-Tax Dodger in Chief, Comrade Casino, does not do war (himself)
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:54 AM
Dec 2016

(but he will be happy to send your kids to do the fighting for the Republican Fat Cats)



malaise

(268,724 posts)
14. McGramps is a warmonger
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:01 AM
Dec 2016

on steroids.
Was it an act of war when Israel and the US hacked Iran??

Spy versus Spy is just reality

Hugin

(33,059 posts)
15. Would someone please explain to me why McCain is the ONLY one I see talking about this?
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:08 AM
Dec 2016

Where is everyone else?

This is a major event in American history and not a good event.

Where are the Democrats? Real leaders?

This should never be considered normal and if it had happened even 5 years ago, the media coverage would be wall to wall.

Where's the outrage?


spanone

(135,795 posts)
16. they love mr trump. he's a media creation and they must support him in every way possible.
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:13 AM
Dec 2016

just like they did during the campaign.

Hugin

(33,059 posts)
18. I take back part of what I said...
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:25 AM
Dec 2016

President Obama's actions were as loud of a message as he was able to send.

Yeah, in light of the minimization of the expelling of diplomats has been! I suppose you are correct.

Pathetic! Absolutely, pathetic.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. Well, if we can't take down Trump, it's time to start taking down the media in
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:40 AM
Dec 2016

this country. There isn't much we can do until they are out of the way.

RegexReader

(416 posts)
17. war talk is cheap until you're the one
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:13 AM
Dec 2016

whose house is 7 miles from a known nuclear target
or
have several draft age people in the family.

If you're so amp'ed up about a war with Russia, go enlist.
Tell the recruiter that you want to be in the infantry.

What party was in the streets in the 1960's chanting "Until then, give peace a chance."? The Repugs? Yeah!!

You people have lost your everloving minds to think that a war with Russia is somehow a 'good thing' to have.
Like, the most gomered redneck I've run into doesn't want a war with Russia. And you're up here frothing at the mouth to jump on Putin's Russia with its 8,000 nuclear weapons to start some shit.

YOU'VE LOST YOUR FLIPPING MINDS IF YOU WANT A WAR WITH A NUCLEAR ARMED RUSSIA.

 

frankieallen

(583 posts)
28. Me thinks it's time for McCain to retire, he's loosing his mind.
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 06:37 PM
Jan 2017

War with Russia, are you fu**in insane? Nobody has suggested such a drastic move. Unfortunately there is not going to be much we can do about this besides the sanctions that have already been put in place.
They hacked emails, they didn't move missiles to Cuba.

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