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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMcCain: Russian cyberintrusions an 'act of war'
The Arizona Republican, who is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, also has scheduled a hearing for next week on foreign cyberthreats to the US, which will also focus on Russian cyberhacking, a committee aide told CNN earlier Friday.
McCain, who is one of Washington's most prominent foreign policy hardliners, has criticized the recent sanctions and expulsions announced by the Obama administration this week as insufficient and belated. He made his latest comments in Ukraine, a nation threatened by a resurgent Russia, after meeting with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.
"When you attack a country, it's an act of war," McCain said of the recent hackings on Ukrainian TV, according to a transcript compiled by Reuters. "And so we have to make sure that there is a price to pay so that we can perhaps persuade Russians to stop this kind of attacks on our very fundamentals of democracy."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/30/politics/mccain-cyber-hearing/index.html
AmericanActivist
(1,019 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Arizona voters didn't retire him to pasture. But I am. He's one of a tiny number of Republicans in Congress who have national stature and are strong enough to oppose the enormous machine powering trumpism.
The rest, hundreds, are cowering before the very real threat having the right's own fake media deployed against them. Plus, most conservative elected "leaders" are actually typical authoritarian followers whose emotional as well as political safe space is "in line."
onenote
(42,607 posts)And will you urge Democrats to support a declaration of war against Russia?
If not, this is just hyperbole.
gordianot
(15,234 posts)Who will be the first in Congress to suggest Trump is a traitor?
panader0
(25,816 posts)spanone
(135,795 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)election is an act of war. Double down war?
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)plain and fucking simple.
onenote
(42,607 posts)If not, why not?
Bucky
(53,947 posts)McCain seems jealous that the Democrats are denouncing someone more than he was. So obviously he's got to turn it up to 11 with his usual belligerent hysterics
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)mess of a nation; yes, with an oversized military, but no match for us. It has almost no manufacturing aside from munitions, and its GDP is maybe half the size of California's.
Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union from this underdeveloped, mislead wreck, but before he can invade and take over European nations he has to take out the U.S. and with it NATO. It's war on the U.S. just as the 9/11 attacks were war.
Bucky
(53,947 posts)It's espionage. It's political influence and manipulation. But "act of war" is a legal term and what they've done is not that.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)arguments from our wheelchairs 20 years from now and and never, ever know right down to our sorrowful marrow that war is not just a legal term.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Any sort of conflict has the potential to quickly escalate into a full blown nuclear holocaust.
McCain's sabre rattling is extremely irresponsible.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)only weapons of mass destruction are nuclear? WE ARE DEPENDENT ON OUR INTERCONNECTED SYSTEMS FOR LIFE. We can't survive without.
The typical household couldn't maintain for more than a week, many far less, even where people weren't frozen out before. Millions of people live in homes heated only by electricity. And municipal water pumps stop pumping when any backup power generators stop. Obama has advanced preparedness a great deal over what we had. Local governments are required to have disaster plans for just this kind of thing and are empowered to take control and confiscate supplies for common use. Hospitals are now required to be able to supply their own power for four days. The fifth...
Imagine power down for weeks in that western grid--in August. The rest of the nation'd be scrambling to limit deaths, but bulldozers would be digging mass graves across the region anyway.
Btw, speaking of nuclear also, just one well-designed nuclear bomb COULD take out power to much to most of the U.S. for a very long time if exploded at high altitude as an electromagnetic pulse weapon--too high for us to be hurt by blast wave or radiation but the right height to take out much to most of our electronic systems, with various degrees of possible catastrophic damage to our power grids, building systems, communications, the electronics in our cars and homes. ISIS might launch a low-tech bomb from a ship off one of the coasts for more limited but still devastating damage to that side of the country.
Cyber or nuclear, other advanced nations do have this capability, we have the capability, a mutual deterrence, thing--but. First of all, WHO did it? As for who's most damaged, most of Russia is poor and not that developed, able to live without our HVAC systems, our constant food deliveries to many thousands of supermarkets, our water piped in from far away; and of course Iran, North Korea, China, Iraq, etc., are not exactly well known for their U.S.-level concern for their populations' lives, much less modern comforts and conveniences. We are far more dependent for life on our systems than most of the world. 300 million of us.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Try not to conflate 'response' and 'war.' They are two wholly separate concepts.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)An act of war means a total mobilization of society to destroy the other nation.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)But I'm a bit uneasy with "war talk" around trump. I feel as if Netanyahu is pushing the buttons about the Iran deal with trump but remember that his good pal Putin signed on too. What's a fellow to do? It's all so complicated for a tiny mind.
mopinko
(70,023 posts)as long as they get their puppet in the white house, i am sure they dont give 2 shits what mr get off my lawn says about him and his friends.
Initech
(100,043 posts)And sanction Exxon while we're at it. Keep Tillerson from getting his precious billions.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)(but he will be happy to send your kids to do the fighting for the Republican Fat Cats)
malaise
(268,724 posts)on steroids.
Was it an act of war when Israel and the US hacked Iran??
Spy versus Spy is just reality
Hugin
(33,059 posts)Where is everyone else?
This is a major event in American history and not a good event.
Where are the Democrats? Real leaders?
This should never be considered normal and if it had happened even 5 years ago, the media coverage would be wall to wall.
Where's the outrage?
spanone
(135,795 posts)just like they did during the campaign.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)President Obama's actions were as loud of a message as he was able to send.
Yeah, in light of the minimization of the expelling of diplomats has been! I suppose you are correct.
Pathetic! Absolutely, pathetic.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)this country. There isn't much we can do until they are out of the way.
Cha
(296,878 posts)RegexReader
(416 posts)whose house is 7 miles from a known nuclear target
or
have several draft age people in the family.
If you're so amp'ed up about a war with Russia, go enlist.
Tell the recruiter that you want to be in the infantry.
What party was in the streets in the 1960's chanting "Until then, give peace a chance."? The Repugs? Yeah!!
You people have lost your everloving minds to think that a war with Russia is somehow a 'good thing' to have.
Like, the most gomered redneck I've run into doesn't want a war with Russia. And you're up here frothing at the mouth to jump on Putin's Russia with its 8,000 nuclear weapons to start some shit.
YOU'VE LOST YOUR FLIPPING MINDS IF YOU WANT A WAR WITH A NUCLEAR ARMED RUSSIA.
spanone
(135,795 posts)frankieallen
(583 posts)War with Russia, are you fu**in insane? Nobody has suggested such a drastic move. Unfortunately there is not going to be much we can do about this besides the sanctions that have already been put in place.
They hacked emails, they didn't move missiles to Cuba.
JI7
(89,241 posts)Which will be the case in a few weeks.