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Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:01 PM

How do we overcome the current media landscape?

I don't think Trump could have happened in the era when everyone depended on Walter Kronkite and their local newspaper for information. The large numbers of people who believed that "Killary" was more corrupt than Trump, who were unaware or didn't care that 70% of what came out of his mouth was provably false, was only possible with the whirlwind of of websites, social media, Fox News and AM radio providing "conservative" narratives.

This started around 1990 with Limbaugh, then all of AM radio, and then Fox News, but social media and the internet has taken it to another dimension. I think everyone could see that Fox said "fair and balanced" with a wink and that they had a bias, but their biggest success was to convince masses of people that they were merely the flip side and that actual fact checked journalism at sources like the New York Times or Washington Post was as biased as they were, but in the other direction.

The situation we have now, with actual news being discounted, or put on an equal footing with propoganda, and a highly manipulated public looking through sources that affirm their ideological bias is the perfect environment for a demagogue to succeed. I'd think Vladimir Putin must almost be surprised with how easily American opinion can be swayed.

What I find most disturbing (in addition to what Trump will do in the next 4 years), is I don't see how this situation will ever improve. We're not going to be able to get back to a time where people have a central source of information that they all trust, so at least the public is operating off of the same understanding of reality. The purveyors of disinformation are only becoming more sophisticated at creating doubt about the facts and playing on people's perceived resentments and often false perceptions.

Can we ever again have a time when the public is not deeply politically divided?



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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:07 PM

1. Wanna bet? Forget Cronkite and look up Walter Winchell...

and while you're at it, dig around at how Hearst started the Spanish American War.

Don't blame the media for people being assholes all on their own.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:21 PM

2. It wasn't perfect before, but it's designed to create polarization now

That's a valid point. In Manufacturing Consent, Noam Chomsky talks about how the media was used to sell the government's agenda. The Spanish-American War & Winchell/blacklisting are good examples.

But, as I said in the previous post, there is such a level of penetration now, accelerated with social media, of purposely misleading narrative designed to destroy people's trust in sources that provide actual facts. The way Nixon attacked the legitimate media was child's play compared to what Trump is doing.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:23 PM

3. The question you ask goes to the single biggest issue in our lives...

 

How can a nation whose very creation and maintenance was based on Mass Media, continue when that model is collapsing? Our Constitution, mythology, institutions, national agenda; hell, what we buy, listen to and value, all depended on mass media to report massively, and to simultaneously confer legitimacy. Those columns came crashing own 25 years ago. It should be no wonder we have a national anxiety.

I submit that the computational/social networking we have seen has thus far merely succeeded in patching together a functional substitute for the mass media model, and may not even be directed toward replacing the old model. The innertubes and social networking have only fulfilled the democratizing function it sought early on in narrow matters of commerece and wholesale legitimacy-debunking. (The 2 are often complimentary.) My only suggestion is to build into the reform of the Democratic Party not only the clear, concise bright-line positions a revolution needs, but build the means to communicate and legitimize those positions. One cannot be done without the other, so it is more than cutting-edge that we develop a new model of communication and legitimacy, it is a frontier necessity. Besides, the crap we have now is stylistically burdened with the Bellbottom Syndrome: Its getting old.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:27 PM

4. You dont... The internet has fragmented news forever.

 

Instead of a few papers and 3 news channels, you have a billion bloggers. The internet is changing things much like the invention of the printing press. Anyone can be a content producer now.

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Response to Rage4Bacon (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:46 PM

6. And you can't rely on anything you read on the internet!

I read an interesting (or horrifying) story and have to wait a week for the truth to shake out. So much for the benefit of being connected for quick and easy access to news/information.

The concept is good but in actuality the internet has complicated the Information Age.

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Response to Rage4Bacon (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 06:12 PM

9. All technologies are prefaced with that old song of religious fates: "You don't do anything..."

 

Which is curious since the bringing in of the new requires the collapse of the old. And all becomes old, maybe even the internet.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 04:43 PM

5. Not until

people truly care about their children and the world they will inherit. Imagine how bad things could be in only a generation after today's young minds have been soaking in bullshit and propaganda for 20-30 years with little or no protection. Zombies!!!

Maybe it's a symptom of advanced consumerism where the "free market" says everybody gets to choose not only which doughnut among many they want to buy and consume but which version of "news" among many they want to buy and consume and believe. Freedom!!!



K/R

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 05:42 PM

7. Anchors stop giving opinions

And only give facts.

The news is all about opinions and less facts.

We don't have journalism anymore, just talking heads and click bait.

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Response to metroins (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 10:32 AM

10. When Al Jazeera, PBS, BBC do that, they get lousy ratings - melodrama sells, why Trump had air time

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Mon Jan 2, 2017, 05:43 PM

8. Two words: Stop Watching.

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Response to TonyPDX (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 12:16 PM

12. If so many Dems didn't watch or listen to

RW media so that they can breathlessly report every outrageous thing they see and hear, those networks would probably go under.

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Response to HeartachesNhangovers (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 03:28 PM

13. Not Dems giving Fox the highest ratings, the R rubes propogandized to vote against their interests

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 10:34 AM

11. K&R nt

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 03:57 PM

14. Remove ratings from news divisions

 

Remove ratings from news divisions. Re-institute both the Fairness Doctrine and the Personal Attack rule. Prevent the cartel-like structure of media companies (23 companies owning 95% of all 25,000 major print/electronic media outlets in US). Ratings- and popularity-based news isn't news, it's simply more branding.

(and to any lurking idiots: read Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC for the context (and continuing results of consolidation) you lack).

Ben Bagdikian wrote The Media Monopoly in 1982 or '83. His prescience has been noted, his prophecies have come to pass, and he he keeps plugging away at the half-witted, two-sentence structure answer always given as to why the Fairness Doctrine cannot work anymore. Because it does work. It works in western democracies with saturated markets in the form of those county's own regulations.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 04:28 PM

16. +1,000 this

Paddy Chayefsky - Network was prescient with this too. Unfortunately, there's too much money being made and the audience wants bias, so it's not going anywhere.

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Response to MrPurple (Original post)

Tue Jan 3, 2017, 04:15 PM

15. Personally I ignore it, and I encourage everyone I know to ignore it.

Cut the cable, here's how!

Can't do anything about the Fox News crowd.

Maybe we can convince them their god likes internet porn and they'll spend all their time watching it or making it.

But I'd feel really sorry for the sheep.

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