Dem Senator Wont Attend Obama Meeting to Save Obamacare: I Just Cant, In Good Conscience

[Alekzander]

This guy really sucks. OK Schumer now is a chance for some leadership on your part with this guy.


Democratic West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe Wednesday that he would not attend a meeting with outgoing president Barack Obama to discuss stopping Republican efforts to repeal and replace Obamacare, calling it counterproductive.

Host Joe Scarborough asked if Manchin planned to attend the Wednesday meeting.“No, I’m not. I just can’t, in good conscience, I can’t do it,” he said. “If anyone listened and paid attention to what the American people said when they voted, they want this place to work.”

“With all of the respect of all of these people involved, but we had the outgoing president coming up here to talk to only Democrats, we have the incoming vice president coming up to talk only to Republicans. Joe, that’s not what makes this place work and that’s really what is wrong with the place,” he argued

“I think it’s absolutely wrong…” concluded Manchin, denouncing those in both parties with hard-line stances on the law. “I’m willing to look at replacing, repealing, doing everything that we can to make it better.”


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dem-senator-wont-attend-obama-meeting-to-save-obamacare-i-just-cant-in-good-conscience/

[Cha]

1. Sounds like a dumbfuck. President Obama is talking to DEMS bc all

the damn repubs want to REPEAL.. you fucking idiot.

[theaocp]

2. I, for one, am SO EFFING GLAD

he's a Democrat. Team D! Team D! Team D!

Feel free to tell me how he's in a tough place in WV. What good is he when he wants to snub his own party and work with the Pukes? Fucking Christ.

[MaeScott]

50. Eff this blue effing dog. That is all. Oh...primary him, too.

[former9thward]

78. Are you moving to WV to take him on?

[lsewpershad]

80. He was never a democrat.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

88. You're so right... #! $# him! Time to primary that useless ***!

[brush]

3. Why does this guy have (D) next to his name?

[Alekzander]

6. Certainly not deserving of it & a good question for Schumer to ask him.

[MrScorpio]

4. Manchin needs to be primaried

And the first thing out of the challenger's mouth should be to tell the people of West Virginia that Manchin stood with the same people who took their black lung benefits away.

It's about time we take back the party.

FDT.

[Yupster]

40. Hillary got 26.5 % of the vote in West Virginia and lost by 42 %

Manchin is up for reelection in two years.

He has got to be doing some serious thinking of what to do about it?

Does he try to win his seat with that electorate?

Does he switch parties and win by 40 %?

Does he retire and do something else?

He has to be doing a lot of thinking right now.

[branford]

91. He's still trying to find a way to combat Clinton's

comment about how she wanted to put the coal companies out of business during the election.

That comment will be an albatross around the neck of any and all WV Democratic candidates in 2018.

Manchin's job is to represent the voters of WV. We have a choice of Manchin who will support many Democratic priorities or a conservative Republican who will not support any. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warrens are not about to win statewide elections in WV any time soon.

[hollowdweller]

48. Manchin will lose to a republican in 2018

First he sponsored a gun control bill and people protested at his office here in WV. Anytime there is an article about him in the local media the comments section is full of trolls talking about how he is a liberal gun grabber. WV gun rights groups and sportsmans groups send me emails all the time reminding me he is a gun grabber. That is pretty much a death sentence in WV for a politician.

Second as governor he was very conservative so almost no liberals support him.

Third as governor he was really awful to state employees and I know very few WV State employees who voted for him.

Fourth he helped elect a republican governor over liberal Charlotte Pritt because he was pissed she beat him in the primary.

Fifth as gov he cut several business taxes that really blew a hole in the budget now that coal revenues are down, and the now republican legislature refuses to raise any revenue which is screwing the state.

Manchin appealed to voters who either didn't like him or were lukewarm to him, and at the same time he went out of his way to piss off voters who were for him.

That said, he's way better than any republican who would replace him and Schumer and the dems should do anything they can to keep his seat.

[Yupster]

73. Do you predict he switches parties before 2018 then?

That seems to be his best option.

[branford]

92. If Democrats repeatedly try to punish him for taking positions

popular in his state, and Republicans are willing to welcome him with open arms, why shouldn't he switch parties?

[SlimJimmy]

90. If Manchin is primaried, then both senators will turn red. The only reason Manchin was elected was

because he was a blue dog (conservative). Be very careful what you wish for.

[Orsino]

5. Weakling. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I got my first hide in months for calling him an expletive.

I have a high tolerance for intraparty dissent and want our party to be a broad tent but there has to be agreement among all of us about fundamental principles and one of them is access to medical care , regardless of ability to pay, is a right in a civilized society.

[malaise]

22. I got one yesterday for my Schumer

expletive

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. What did Chuckie do?

I saw him on Rachel. He seemed okay.

I loathe Trump but we need to be smart how we take him on. We come here and rip on that malignant clown 24/7. It's cathartic. But we need to have a plan to defeat him and the Deplorables.

I am willing to listen to anybody who has a plan. I understand my rage isn't a plan. What I will not tolerate is Fifth Columnists like Manchin in our party.

[malaise]

34. Much earlier in the day

I sided with Warren and Sanders - period

[pangaia]

83. Ooppss... Shame on you, malaise. You should no better.

[malaise]

95. LOL

Yah think

[BigMin28]

7. Can someone please explain

Why we let this POS call himself a member of the Democratic party?

[underpants]

28. Everyone in WV calls themselves a Dem

They just vote Republicans can. Manchin is trying to please both sides here and stay a Senator.

[former9thward]

79. "why do we let"

Who is the "we"? Anyone anywhere at anytime can call themselves a member of the Democratic Party. No one has a card saying they are a member of the Party and passed some test to get it. If you call yourself a D then you are just as much a D as anyone else.

[DK504]

8. Joe Minchin, senator in a coal country state

he doesn't want to ensure his constituents', who are already freaking out about the ACA, refuses to make sure they have health insurance. This guy have proven himself to be a lying POS time after time. I hope the hillbillies that live without insurance, those that don't have black lung, will realize how badly they have screwed themselves.

How much did Minchin receive from coal companies? Obviously a great deal. A whore is a whore is a whore.

[Else You Are Mad]

66. The problem is...

Those redneck hillbillies will not connect the loss of their health insurance to the GOP party. They will blame Obama and Obamacare for their lost insurance and right wing radio and the GOP will confirm their false belief.

[DLevine]

9. I can't in good conscience call Manchin a Democrat. nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

11. Oh fuck you and your piece of shit corrupt daughter too. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Be careful, compadre...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8430082

I called him a Vichy Democrat with an expletive as an adjective .

[guillaumeb]

12. Given who Manchin's daughter is, this is not surprising at all. eom

[Alekzander]

17. That is right forgot about that. They even had hearings on her own scandal ripping off people with

her drug company.

[guillaumeb]

67. Manchin family values?

Judge them by what they do, not what they say.

[Alekzander]

68. Exactly & I think he should have to pay for what he is doing as well as his daughter.

He refuses to be a party to his own party for trying to save the ACA for millions.

His daughter is a CEO of a Drug Company ripping millions off who need the drug.

What a pot of family values they have.

[still_one]

13. and that was always my concern. It wasn't that we only needed to convince 3 republicans, people

like manchin, needed to be on board.

To your point regarding Schumer showing leadership, when push comes to shove, I really believe Minchin, would have no problem switching parties.

That is why it was so critical for the Democrats to win those Senate seats in the critical battle ground states, but every Democrat running for Senate in those swing states lost to the establishment republican incumbent. Those 47% who refused to vote, and those who voted third party, decided this election

[Paladin]

14. Fuck you, Manchin. Where you breathe. (nt)

[KG]

15. I lulz'd

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that didn't tale long.

[Thrill]

16. We all knew Trump can always count on this coward's vote

[surrealAmerican]

18. What kind of an argument is that?

The Republicans won't talk to you, and you won't talk to the Democrats, and this is supposed to "make this place work" how?

[kelly1mm]

39. The R's will talk to him. They will love a few D votes so their health care repeal/maybe replace

will be 'bipartisan' unlike the ACA which had 0 R votes.

[panader0]

19. "If anyone listened and paid attention to what the

American people said when they voted..."
Hey Manchin--HRC won nearly 3 MILLION more votes than the orange man.
Perhaps it is you that is not paying attention. I will write my disapproval to
this dunce.



http://www.manchin.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

[edhopper]

26. K & R

[superpatriotman]

20. How many DU rules being broken in this thread?

I've been on juries for far less offensive comments towards Dems

[mfcorey1]

23. NOT ENOUGH have been broken for this turncoat!

[edhopper]

25. Those rules apply to real Dems

not a turncoat POS who just said repealing the ACA would "make things better".

FUCK HIM!!!!

[still_one]

30. He is relaying an article that is reporting on a particular Senator. That is not a TOS violation as

far as I am aware, unless the source is from a RW outlet such as breitbart

[SaschaHM]

33. He's talking about the posts.

"Fuck Joe Manchin" as long as he caucuses with the Democrats shouldn't stand. "F*ck Bernie", "F*ck Hillary", "F*ck Tulsi" et. al would be met swiftly with a hide.

[still_one]

49. Thanks, I was on a different context.

[Alekzander]

31. Manchin appears to be a Dem in name only. Now name "what" violations I have broken

should show some leadership with this guy. He is as despicable as his daughter.

Congress
CEO at center of EpiPen price hike controversy is Sen. Joe Manchin’s daughter

The growing congressional scrutiny of pharmaceutical giant Mylan over the high cost of EpiPens could prove awkward for Sen. Joe Manchin.

The West Virginia Democrat’s daughter, Heather Bresch, is chief executive of the company, which appears to have hiked the price of the epinephrine auto-injector by 400 percent since 2007. The device, which is used to treat severe allergic reactions, now costs more than $600 per dose.

[U.S. lawmakers demand investigation of $100 price hike of lifesaving EpiPens]

This price increase has become a public relations disaster for Mylan and at least four of Manchin’s Senate colleagues are either pressing the company to reduce the cost of EpiPens, asking it to explain the price increase or requesting federal regulators to investigate the matter. Manchin is not a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has shown the most interest in probing Mylan’s pricing practices, and so far the senator is not discussing the issue.

“Right now we don’t have any comment,” Manchin spokesman Jon Kott said in an email Tuesday.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/04/liberal-churches-are-dying-but-conservative-churches-are-thriving/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na&utm_term=.c0139f8cbec8#comments

[SaschaHM]

36. 50 state party!

...Unless we dislike what the Dems of one state decided!

[LanternWaste]

45. Your passionate concern is touching.

Your passionate concern is touching, yet actual sincerity would compel you to both research and then answer your own query.

[mopinko]

47. lots, imho

i was on a jury for one of those comments, and i voted that it broke the rules. apparently we have some jury nullification going on here.
sad.

[PDittie]

71. LOL

+1

[Lee-Lee]

94. I predict he jumps parties in the near future

Probably just before filing starts for the primaries with the full cooperation of the WVGOP to see he isn't primaried on their ballot and late enough the the Democratic Party in WV can't get the right people to be him on their ballot.

[GeorgeGist]

27. Fuck Manchin and his greedy clan.

[Wounded Bear]

32. Sounds like we've found our next Joe Liebermann...

[Bettie]

35. He's getting ready to jump ship and become

The Republican he really wants to be.

[crazycatlady]

37. His state voted 70% for Trump

As they say on House of Cards, vote your district.

[UTUSN]

38. *WEASEL* - he went on to claim he's FOR the ACA benefitting his W.VA constituents

and that many of them had no coverage before ACA and they want it but probably don't know where (what party) it came from but that if the Repukes crash it they will know for sure who took it away from them. WEASEL.

[inwiththenew]

41. Get used to about 2 more years of him siding more with Trump/Repubs

As someone mentioned earlier his state went almost 70% for Trump. He will be all about saving his own political hide, party be damned.

[socialist_n_TN]

42. So..........

Manchin's a Democrat and Bernie's not?

This kind of shit is why I go by policies supported by the individual politician and NOT by the "team" name.

[Nay]

58. Yeah, and it's why I cringe when told I have to vote for ANYONE with a "D"

because we have to get a majority, don't you know???

Face it. These blue dog Democrats seem to vote and act like Republicans, and my vote won't be worth a shit if they keep doing that.

[riderinthestorm]

86. +1 nt

[branford]

93. Bernie is not actually a Democrat.

He is not a member of the Party, no matter how popular he may be with some people. However, Manchin was indeed freely chosen as the candidate for Senate in a WV Democratic primary and then won his seat in a free and fair election.

However, you decision not to support the team is unsurprising as the Democratic Party is not socialist. In fact, there is an American Socialist Party where you would probably find more common ground.

[socialist_n_TN]

97. Actually the Socialist Party USA is too right wing for me........

I belong to an international Trotskyist group. And no, Bernie is NOT a socialist and I didn't support him either.

That said, I've been following bourgeois politics in the US for 50 years or so and when I've voted, I've voted Democratic. I've NEVER voted for a Republican. NEVER! Not even Reagan when all those right wing Democrats (like Manchin) were bamboozled by him to the point where they were actually CALLED "Reagan Democrats".

I've been commenting on this forum since 2009 or 2010, not because I'm a Democrat, but because I'm left-wing. And this place USED to be more flexible to left-wing views than it has become lately. IOW, the "Underground" part of it was emphasized more than it apparently is today. In fact, I would say that the "Underground" part was what made this forum popular, NOT the "Democratic" part.

I post here because left-wing Democrats are just future Bolsheviks who still have illusions in capitalism.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. Clinton had Zell Miller, and Obama has Joe Manchin. I get it. They both feel they're representing

the constituency that sent them to Washington, but it sucks for the rest of us.

[otohara]

46. Schumer Mentioned Manchin Today In Presser on ACA

said the ACA has benefited WV...

[Blue_Tires]

51. This is the kind of "leadership" we can expect from Schumer?

[coco22]

52. The RepubliCons want Dems to help them..

after they try to repeal,so they can stamp them with whatever problems occur..

[coco22]

53. Manchin isn't going because he is a CON and..

if he would have went he would be reporting everything back to Slannity,O'Lielly,and the rest of the gang.

[PragmaticLiberal]

54. WTF?!

I have no clue what his point.....

[JustAnotherGen]

55. Ha ha ha

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028430625#

He should have gone to the meeting.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

56. Face it, folks --

We will always have "Democrats" like Machin who will be perfectly happy to help the GOP gut our programs and government -- that is the very essence of Third Way politics, and the Democratic Party is infested with it.

Sanders won that State by a significant margin in the primary -- Machin needs a primary opponent from the Bernie wing of the Party. Badly.

[mythology]

87. You do understand that there's a difference between the Democratic primary electorate

and the overall state electorate right?

Sanders got 124,700 votes. Trump got 156,249 votes. Trump won the state by 42%. Do you really think that the reason they voted for Trump was because Sanders wasn't in the GE? In the last 5 elections, the best we've done is losing by 6 with a virtual neighbor. Other than that, we've lost by 12.9, 13.1, 26.8, 42.1.

For the record, Manchin voted with the party about 75% of the time. The closest Republican Senator voted with the Democratic party about 27% of the time. I may not like some of Manchin's votes, it's really just objectively wrong to say that he's "perfectly happy to help the GOP guy our programs and government" unless he's really bad at it.

[HughBeaumont]

57. Eisenhower Conservatives don't exist anymore, Joe.

Well, they DO . . . they're just called Blue Dog Democrats now. In other words, Joe Manchin.

Reason and dialogue got tossed out around about Sarah Palin's popularity and it's been getting uglier ever since.

Lest we forget it was two DEMOCRATS (DINOs, to be fair) that spearheaded the kibosh on the Public Option. If that were to pass, you'd never hear about Republicans ever again. Trust me; they'll deny it to the hilt, but there would be than a few million Trumpkins who would have been pleased as punch with a Public Option.

But hey, Baucus and Lieberturd had to throw a bone to Big Insurance and their Republican friends.

[alarimer]

69. But the label is more important, or so I've been told here repeatedly.

But it's an argument I don't buy. I believe a true progressive in the mold of Sanders would likely be very competitive in W.Va (and other places) but the Dem establishment repeatedly go for third way- Blue Dog types, who either lose or are always on the verge of switching parties.

Manchin is nothing but an opportunist, trying to save his political ass.

I would rather pick up seats elsewhere than worry about states like this.

[crazycatlady]

74. You think Bernie Sanders would win a general election in West Virginia ?

Part of a 50 state strategy is to find Democrats that represent people of all states, even if it means more conservative Democrats in more conservative states (or districts).

Could we get a true blue progressive in a state like New York? Yes.

West Virginia went 70% for Trump. Any Democrat representing a 70% Trump state should be careful with how he (or she) votes.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

59. Seems like Manchin is TERRIFIED

to be caught in the same room as President Obama. Why?


Manchin comes across to me as Zell Miller 2.0. Wonder if he will be speaking at the next RNC- as a Republican?

[TonyPDX]

63. Personally, Manchin strikes me as more of a Blanche Lincoln Democrat.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

64. Whatever he is

he's going to be a weak link. He can stay for the numbers but otherwise he might as well be a Republican.

[TonyPDX]

65. Agreed.

[bigtree]

60. fuck Manchin

...lol at the posting of this here, like we should give a shit.

[Tatiana]

61. Can't wait till this DINO is gone.

Honestly, he has been very little help to Democrats or this country.

[itcfish]

62. He is just a Republican

in Sheep's clothing

[Vinca]

70. Joe Manchin is no more a Democrat than I'm a Republican.

[Vermijelli]

72. Well at least he's officially a member of the Democratic party

Unlike Bernie Sanders. The label is what really matters!

[oasis]

75. CNN had a segment about widows of coal miners losing ACA benefits

when Obamacare is repealed. Their husbands were victims of black lung. One recipient said she was getting $635 monthly from ACA payments.

I wonder how many coal miner widows there are in West Virginia.

[MadamPresident]

76. But we're supposed to embrace our blue dogs.

Fuck this guy. He's not a Democrat. He should just switch sides. We're just doomed with people like this around.

[no_hypocrisy]

77. How many of his constituents suffer from black lung disease and depend upon ACA?

[pangaia]

81. But he IS a "Democrat." Right?

Hrumkpff!!

[TrollBuster9090]

82. The REASON 50% of eligible voters don't vote is because they think there is NO DIFFERENCE between

The REASON 50% of eligible voters don't bother turning out to vote is because they think there is NO DIFFERENCE between the political parties.

Joe Minchin is EXACTLY the reason they think that! I really hope Trump picks him for a cabinet position.

[bravenak]

84. He should become a Republican officially

[DonCoquixote]

85. do remember

this is the same person whose sleazy daughter tried making the epi pens more expensive.

[KamaAina]

89. I knew it was gonna be Manchin before I clicked.

[n2doc]

96. So ask him- what's your plan?

Replace with WHAT? Tell us wise sir, what the hell do you want to replace it with? Are you on board with the 'don't get sick, don't get old' plan of the Republicans? I hope you go back to WV and tell your constituents that you want to make sure that we go back to the old, failed health care system. They won't be able to get health care except at the emergency room, but for sure the mine owners will, and get a nice tax cut too!