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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI truly don't understand this...any legal scholars here?
Or anyone with connections to legislative experts? Just how bad does it have to get before they don't inaugurate him? This is an unprecedented situation, but is the only option to wait until he is inaugurated and then impeach him? Is there no procedure to stop him being inaugurated because it's an unprecedented situation that no one ever foresaw happening?
marybourg
(12,631 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Once the Electoral College voted, that was it. The only remedy now would be him being impeached by Congress or voted out in four years. That's it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Congressperson who would even think of impeaching him. Besides, Pence and Ryan wouldn't be much of an improvement, if any.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)he would still be sworn in as president
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)The murder and denied bail as a flight risk
If he was unable to be sworn in until after a trial, then what.
Mike Nelson
(9,956 posts)...must be Republicans. They want the office. and they hate the Obamas & Clintons with a passion. The CIA and FBI probably have better stuff than the KGB.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)Clearly he has way too many enemies. The intelligence community leaked the document. I smell the GOP establishment all over this. I believe his days are numbered. But they'll swear him in first and then Pence takes over.
and I think this has been their plan ever since Pence was selected.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...The GOP isn't going to impeach Trump; not in a million years. Why? Because they're frightened for their lives. With good reason. They're along for the ride, just like the rest of us...
Generator
(7,770 posts)Sad that Pence is our best option. But Trump is a fucking lunatic. I
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)I was wondering the same thing.
WTF??? Jesus H. Christ, and I'm not even Christian!
kentuck
(111,098 posts)Then, maybe?
MFM008
(19,814 posts)JUST MY OPINION now..............................................................
They want maggot in office, get all this crap sealed down.( nominations etc.)
Then when forced (by his insanity) they will move on some sort of impeachment
then the put in Pence and he picks Ryan as VP.
just the logical way to do this.
delisen
(6,044 posts)they can inform him of the consequences if he does not. Trump's family and entourage may see the wisdom of convincing him to do so.
Mitch McConnell and Reince Rriebus have a lot of informal power to bring this about.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)They are all smart enough to see the national security risks of POTUS Trump.
Would be hard to get him to step aside, though - don't see him giving up all that attention, and part of his personality disorder is thinking he is Teflon, which has been reinforced by there being no consequences so far for anything he's done.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)people, like McConnell), knew they had the election in the bag, between voter suppression, vote tampering, and Russian collusion.
See Greg Palast:
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
The Election was Stolen Heres How
Friday, November 11, 2016
Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.
MousePlayingDaffodil
(748 posts). . . the "terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January . . . and the terms of their successors shall then begin."
Put simply, Trump becomes President as of noon on Friday, January 20 by operation of law. No formal "inauguration" procedure is required, constitutionally-speaking.
It is true that, per Article II, section 8, it is required that before an incoming President "enter on the Execution of his Office," he "shall take" the "Oath or Affirmation" set forth in section 8. But, even with respect to this, there is no constitutional requirement that this oath be administered by anyone to the new President -- although, historically, that has of course been part of the ceremonial "inauguration" -- only that the new President "take" the oath.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)They get to define "high crimes and misdemeanors" for themselves. So they'll only vote for impeachment if they think they have to, to save their own seats. Trump has to become so obviously corrupt, to a significant amount of Republican voters, that he's about to take down the Republican party with him.
Generator
(7,770 posts)Again I ask how many bunker spots? Because would you trust this lunatic with nuclear codes? Maybe they have a plan-they are going to give him false ones. The GOP is evil but they aren't dumb. I hope.
Louis1895
(768 posts)Description at Snopes.com:
Trump Versus the 25th Amendment
From the US Constitution, the actual text:
SECTION 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)this has come up from time to time.
Does anyone else think that Pence has been held in the wings away from the media? I know there is a lot to cover with tRump, but to me it seems like the GOP wants to keep Pence clean. If this is correct, then maybe they are just waiting to install him as a way to save face, sort of a concession to the tRump haters, while keeping the tRump lovers satisfied that they still won the election. I'm getting a sick feeling thinking of how this is being orchestrated. The only way to truly resolve this in its entirety is to connect the entire RNC to Russia.
JustinL
(722 posts)From his dissenting opinion at 48 U. S. 1, 55 (1849):
benld74
(9,904 posts)1) THIS information was known since MID summer. ALL have copies.
2) ALL expected HRC to WIN
3) Once THAT happened, ALL this would get swept away, with nobody the wiser. AND HRC FBI and CIA would take care of the mess out of site from the public.
4) THAT didnt happen.
SO now we have this. The DEMS in shock as is the country. PEETUS acting like a POTUS. FBI and CIA being called losers by PEETUS
IF due diligence was given back in the Summer, we would NOT be here. Guaranteed.
Due diligence cannot be given NOW. Drump knows this. GOP knows this. GOP doesnt care. THEY never do.