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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDon't be naive, the "insurance for all" bit is meant to throw cold water on upcoming protests
So instead of steely resolve, the naive among us are now hoping that Trump will bring us single payer. Maybe if that's true, we don't have to protest. Right? Wrong!
Don't be naive. Trump is a con artist. He already fooled millions with the wall lie, don't let "single payer" become the next carrot he uses to gain blind support.
All you have to do is look at who he nominated for Department of Health and Human Services:
Price has also backed moves to reform and cut Medicare benefits, an entitlement program for the nation's elderly that Trump has pledged to protect.
Outside of his conservative economic record, others may find his social stances a major issue. Chief among these for the HHS job: Price is anti-abortion, pro-gun rights and opposed to the Obamacare provision mandating birth control access.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/planning/tom-price-trump-health-and-human-services/index.html
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,073 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,437 posts)Believe nothing Trump says. Never assume that he "intends" to do something right or good. His only motivation is self-aggrandizement and filling his own coffers.
Congress is the target anyway. We need to pressure them. Trump is mostly irrelevant on this one.
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)How do you know he's speaking seriously this time?
Iggo
(47,487 posts)old guy
(3,281 posts)If you can afford the premiums, if you didn't have a pre-existing condition, and a whole butt load of other restrictions, hell yeah, insurance for all. Very different from health care for all. He has nothing.
SharonAnn
(13,766 posts)And there were no alternatives. This was especially hard on those who were over 50 who nearly always had something they defined as a "pre-existing" condition. Could be allergies, high blood pressure, acid reflux, etc. And you couldn't buy a "high risk" plan because there weren't any. They just said "No insurance for you". Period. All companies did this.
yardwork
(61,415 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)Insurance is a Corporate interest. Healthcare is the people's interest. That is the true failure of the ACA, even with subsidies many cannot afford insurance.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Whenever and wherever the word "insurance" comes up, check your wallet.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)he will just grab the paper put on his desk sign push it aside and go to the next either on Friday or Saturday. He hired people to do all of the work and if they fuck the American people he does not care. He will be paying attention to making more money for himself and figuring out how to take our money away from us for himself. We are just about to enter a dictatorship and it is a hateful dictatorship at that.
cheyanne
(733 posts)While the demagogue is silencing his enemies with fear, he also works to "win over" the rest of the population with guarantees of whatever they want. . .
but this is just a confusion strategy to keep anyone from really looking at what he is doing: dismantling democracy.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)Forget Trump, it is Ryan we fear. One of our WI shits... they always have the nice sounding phrases. Pro Life, as if we are Pro Death, School Choice which is privatising, Right to Work, which we know is FOR LESS. So Insurance For All means Insurance For Those who can PAY. FREEDOM you know, FREEDOM to die.
stage left
(2,934 posts)"Strengthening" Social Security is cutting it. Making medicare better is privatizing it.
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)I wouldn't put ANY money on it though. As the op says, it is a lie. one more albatross to hang around his and the Republican's necks though.
yardwork
(61,415 posts)The idea that Trump wants single payer is a fantasy.
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Elements the ACA assured people that they would be covered for some screening and preventive care. many of the plans touted as low cost by the republicans cover almost nothing and begin paying after astronomical co-pays and out of pocket expenses have been paid ... so one may have "insurance' but realistically no access to healthcare (probably wore than where we started)
oldtime dfl_er
(6,930 posts)progree
(10,864 posts)and that a lot of people will like them. They will have reasonable, even low deductibles, and reasonable copays in percentage terms...
Just like the junk insurance many people bought on the individual market before the ACA.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/15/rand-paul-obamacare-bernie-sanders
One of the greatest things about the ACA is that there is standardization of benefits and plans can be compared to each other when shopping. And that there isn't any "junk insurance" on the exchanges.
Whereas before, on the individual market, there was a ton of crap insurance with severe limitations on annual and life-time amounts, and very high or unlimited out of pocket maximums, and so what you had was placebo care. Something that was good if you had an ordinary illness or accident, but nothing that was going to matter if you had like a $200,000+ cancer treatment or coronary bypass etc. (So when a RWer or JPRer tells you about the cheap individual insurance plan (s)he had before the ACA, well, that's exactly what they had -- cheap "insurance" .
Also, young healthy people would generally buy the cheap policies, which would raise the cost of the more robust health policies for e.g. middle-aged and older needing serious health insurance.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Also, the Brooklyn Bridge is up for sale at a great price.
volstork
(5,394 posts)He is an A-1 bullshit artist.
bucolic_frolic
(42,663 posts)unaffordable for most, or stripped of benefits, or punitive in non-compliance,
or cat-only, or something the insurance industry won't accept or can't afford
None of the detriments will accrue to Don the Con, it'll be someone else's fault
ananda
(28,782 posts)He's just trying to muddy the waters and draw attention away
from the fact that many will soon be very sick with no real
healthcare options; that many women will have little to no
access to reproductive healthcare; and that many needed
hospitals and clinics will have to close.
ancianita
(35,812 posts)stage left
(2,934 posts)So far I've been correct.
Warpy
(110,903 posts)I know Republicans here and there and they're not buying a word of it. They know their party's history on health care reform is dedicated to sucking the most profit out of it while insuring only the healthiest and dropping them when they get sick.
So this turkey isn't going to fly.
BuddyCa
(99 posts)if someone believes Trump is going to implement single payer, I'd like to hear from them.
But if there is such a person, I think it's going to take more than telling them "don't be naive". We have to figure out how in the world they came to believe such a thing.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If the new law says they have to sell you insurance, and they can charge you as much as they like, that woild qualify. In fact, the Republicans might think that was the ideal situation.
meow2u3
(24,743 posts)Insurance that's not worth the paper it's written on!
Iggo
(47,487 posts)Ooooh, it'll be glorious, children!
bdamomma
(63,652 posts)He is BS con artist but then again he is not a healthy man/child and is suffering from a mental illness.