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[metroins]

1. I agree with you nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. Excellent analysis.

[truebluegreen]

2. Years of torture wasn't enough for you?

One would almost think that exposing government war crimes was worse than committing them.

And btw, Manning's treatment was a factor in Snowden going overseas to release his info, instead of sticking around.

[dionysus]

45. Do explain the years of torture. Being uncomfortable and torture are not

the same thing.

Donyou soeaknof physical or mental torture? I higjly doubt amyone was tuning manning up, are you talking about mental abuse?

[truebluegreen]

47. I'll let someone who knows more do it:

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/the-torture-of-bradley-manning

https://www.wired.com/2012/03/manning-treatment-inhuman/


Btw: http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/08/21/what-bradley-manning-revealed/

[bullwinkle428]

3. Never mind the fact that if some brave soul does a data dump exposing

all of the Shitgibbon's ill-gotten booty and filthy tentacles, that person will be UNIVERSALLY LAUDED here at DU. And I will be cheering as loudly as anyone!

[hrmjustin]

4. While I am of two minds of this, I think in the end the president was right

to show mercy.

She has suffered enough!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. This was a tough one but she cuts such a sympathetic figure.

[gratuitous]

6. Her name is Chelsea

[uppityperson]

17. Obama commuted Chelsea Manning.

Chelsea Manning sentence commuted - CNNPolitics.com - CNN.com
Chelsea Manning to Be Released Early as Obama Commutes Sentence - The New York Times
Chelsea Manning decision: Obama says justice was served. BBC.com - 1 hour ago
Etc

[gratuitous]

25. Wow, was it too much to ask that her name be used?

Apparently so.

[rgbecker]

7. It's a stretch to connect Manning with Assange's release, or decision to release

DNC emails. Do you have info or a link that connects the hacking of the DNC computers to Manning? Relating the Russians actions to Manning's is a step only a RWNJ could come up with. Manning has served 7 odd years for the "Crime" of releasing documents of US War Crimes. That is the actual crime.

[question everything]

12. No, Manning had no connection with the recent hacking

but one has to wonder whether Assange would have done all of this had he not got his foot in American secrets thanks to the original contacts.

[Dawson Leery]

8. She should have stayed in jail.

No Manning means no Assange. Assange is evil and has declared war on the west.

[uppityperson]

9. HER name is Chelsea. And what SHE and Assange released are not comparable

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Please be decent enough to refer to her as her, not him.

[linuxman]

11. You're right.

Manning's was far worse.

[uppityperson]

16. That's only your opinion.

[linuxman]

18. That's lots of peoples' opinion.

[uppityperson]

19. And lots of other people disagree with that opinion. Which is only an opinion.

[uppityperson]

15. Yet Obama pardoned HER, Chelsea.

[SticksnStones]

27. Not pardoned, commuted.

Or as he said, shortened what felt was a sentence that was deserved but too long.

Big difference from being pardoned.

[uppityperson]

29. True, I used the wrong word, he commuted her sentence, did not pardon her. Apologies

I've been trying to type the correct term and made a mistake

[SticksnStones]

46. Just dialogging

Peace ~

[uppityperson]

48. No worries, I was being sincere because they are different.

[mythology]

34. Commuted, not pardoned

The difference is that the crime is still on Manning's record. Not that in her case it makes much difference given how famous she is over this, so that future potential employers etc would know exactly who she is.

[joshcryer]

14. Faux liberals gave Assange a platform.

Manning may have helped bolster Wikileaks, but faux liberals were the ones who drooled as every pro-Russia hit piece against the Democrats came out and they cheered it on without questioning motivations.

Manning had issues, made a very stupid mistake, and doesn't deserve the time she was getting.

[JHan]

21. ++++++++++++++

[uponit7771]

24. +1

[JI7]

28. and they are still out there and will be there to hurt the Dems in 2020

[Ms. Toad]

20. Refusing to use Chelsea Manning's name and preferred gender pronouns is offensive.

Please modify your post.

[Rex]

22. lulz

[Lucinda]

23. It's Chelsea. n/t

[MFM008]

26. nah

I'm with Obama on this one.
Manning has been in jail 7 years.
I think it was a humane and sensible thing.
Something we wont see from maggot every minute he
occupies Washington D.C.

[Humanist_Activist]

30. What's up with this transphobic bigot shit?

I don't really care how you feel about the actions Chelsea took, but the fact that you insist on referring to her with the wrong name and pronouns tells a lot about you.

[Docreed2003]

32. This...

[Docreed2003]

31. Edit this or expect an alert

First, your failure to refer to Chelsea by her chosen name and gender identification not once but several times is offensive and, frankly, not within the bounds of decent conversation here. So I'm asking nicely, edit your post or expect an alert on it.

Second, Chelsea has served a harsher sentence in seven years than most of us could endure for mere days. Notice that nowhere does President Obama absolve her of her crimes. What she did was wrong and misguided but she did pay a price for that and now I hope that she can lead a life of obscurity away from the public eye and have access to the medical treatments that she needs, which she was not getting in prison.

Finally, to suggest that somehow Chelsea's published relevations led to what we saw this summer and fall in Assange's Wikileaks of the DNC is just ridiculous. While some on the far left heralded Assange, those who are familiar with him understood that he was an opportunist and essentially a libertarian by our political definitions and nothing in his career could remotely be considered leftist or Liberal.

Your post is misguided and reeks of shit stirring.

[revmclaren]

33. I think whats unspoken here is the fact

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that commuting her sentence will probably save her life. I think being in a military prison as a well known trans-gender person would have been a death sentence for her under the fascist Trump regime. She would have been found one day a victim of 'suicide' and it would have been swept under the rug. Case closed.

Although I don't like what she did, she owned up to her crime and spent some very hard time. Obama made the right decision on many levels. I hope others like her are as fortunate.



To you Obama...



edited for explanation...

Not all solders are murderers and not all whistle blowers are completely Innocent. There is evil on both sides of the isle, and sometime the best of intentions can go very wrong. Chelsea admitted she was wrong and that was enough along with time served for Obama to commute her sentence. My opinion didnt sway him nor anyone else's. The decision was his.

[tonedevil]

37. Do you like..

US soldiers laughing while shooting civilians? Perhaps you forgot exposing that is Chelsea's legacy.

[revmclaren]

40. Obviously Obama is much more informed and caring then you are.

By a million percent. Please...Let us know your wisdom and extremist knowledge Oh enlightened anonymous poster stirring up shit on this Democratic forum.

And yes she exposed some wrongs...and risked many lives doing so. A life is worth the same everywhere.



this is an American flag by the way. American troops and personnel are lives too.



edited for spelling and updating the rant and to remove 'trumpish' .....that sorry to say was waaaay overboard for my response. Too much caffein and worry. my apologies.

[tonedevil]

35. Let's start by...

questioning the transphobic piece of shit that wrote this pile of crap. question everything indeed.

[Rex]

38. What do you expect with a title like

"It is too bad, Mr. President, that you commuting Bradley Manning's sentence."

Does that even make sense?

[tonedevil]

39. None...

no sense at all.

[Rex]

41. Funny thing

he went back and added the commas! Such an important edit!

[gwheezie]

36. I support commuting Chelsea's sentence

It was humane. 35 years was a harsh sentence. After the election of Trump, Chelsea would not have had her sentence reduced. This to me is not a comment on what Chelsea did but agreement with Obama's decision. Petraeus is walking around a free man. Rove is walking around a free man. Cheney is walking around a free man. Countless others more powerful than Chelsea have paid no price.

[SaschaHM]

42. Fuck this transphobic OP.

The point you were trying to make could have easily been made without the purposeful misgendering of Chelsea Manning and HER actions.

[ucrdem]

43. Manning was probably a patsy and if she ever figured it out she'd be toast

if she were still n prison. Oswald's demise is instructive. Barack is normally very chary of admitting deep state operations, for example the vote rigging that handed his own office to Trump, so this was probably not his primary consideration, but it might have been.