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Bettie
(19,784 posts)No point in resisting Dear Orange Leader if a program for a march doesn't list who you want it to?
Should she have been in the list? Yeah, but does that make resisting him less important?
Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)And don't lecture me. Its presumptive and pisses me off.
chillfactor
(7,694 posts)pissing everyone else off.
Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)Ya.
2.5+1
LisaM
(29,665 posts)It's something they slipped in at the last minute, BTW. Lookee, here's a list and ha ha, guess who we left off! One final insult on the way out!
yardwork
(69,466 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)yardwork
(69,466 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)your hissy fits.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I'm very disappointed with some of the leadership of this march. I'm still going but I'm writing Hillary's name in big letters on my jacket.
Bettie
(19,784 posts)"We were going"...
Were is past tense, which would lead one to believe that you no longer plan to attend.
SylviaD
(721 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Sounds like only one of the organizers has a bad attitude and can't let go of primary wars.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)ffr
(23,430 posts)But I doubt there's anything stopping you from ignoring HRC during the march.
Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)Huh?
ffr
(23,430 posts)
Lotusflower70
(3,110 posts)I am going to the one in St. Paul, MN. We are marching to the Capitol. I see pros and cons to this. We have to move forward but it would be nice to acknowledge her hard work.
Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)And it is her 50 years of hard work. At least.
Lotusflower70
(3,110 posts)I know guess we'll have to see what happens with that.
Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)Maybe she didn't want to be included for some reason. If there is no good reason yeah she should of been included, but she wasn't so that's why I say so what. There are much much bigger fish to fry.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)And we are likely going just to fry those bigger fish. But don't think we're not mightily pissed off. She was the Democratic standard bearer. It took some VERY SMALL PEOPLE to leave her off.
What will you be doing besides banging your keyboard?
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)post pictures here I want to show off my sign that my company so graciously donated the materials for.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)as well as the other things that affect women: the environment and climate change, the economy, even foreign relations. We are CITIZENS, of equal stature, and our voices need to be heard in all areas.
This is not about one person, sad as I am that Hillary Clinton is not in the White House tonight. It is about all of us. And we speak for her. The election is over. It's about us now.
Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)I'm saying it needs to NOT be exclusive. If why her not being on the list is important escapes you, we're not on the same side.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)for women's rights. I will not disagree with that. It's definitely something they should correct at their rally
I am not marching in DC, but here in Chicago; it just doesn't seem to affect what is going on here.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)I read elsewhere that Hillary and Michelle were not included or vice versa, who really knows. Definitely a ton of celebs though. Elsewhere, Gillibrand is marching in NYC, Warren in MA.
So again, who knows what is happening, not me.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Mission & Vision
We stand together in solidarity with our partners and children for the protection of our rights, our safety, our health, and our families - recognizing that our vibrant and diverse communities are the strength of our country.
OUR MISSION
The rhetoric of the past election cycle has insulted, demonized, and threatened many of us - immigrants of all statuses, Muslims and those of diverse religious faiths, people who identify as LGBTQIA, Native people, Black and Brown people, people with disabilities, survivors of sexual assault - and our communities are hurting and scared. We are confronted with the question of how to move forward in the face of national and international concern and fear.
In the spirit of democracy and honoring the champions of human rights, dignity, and justice who have come before us, we join in diversity to show our presence in numbers too great to ignore. The Womens March on Washington will send a bold message to our new government on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights. We stand together, recognizing that defending the most marginalized among us is defending all of us.
We support the advocacy and resistance movements that reflect our multiple and intersecting identities. We call on all defenders of human rights to join us. This march is the first step towards unifying our communities, grounded in new relationships, to create change from the grassroots level up. We will not rest until women have parity and equity at all levels of leadership in society. We work peacefully while recognizing there is no true peace without justice and equity for all.
HEAR OUR VOICE.
It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences.
Audre Lorde
GUIDING PRINCIPLES
Womens rights are human rights, regardless of a womans race, ethnicity, religion, immigration status, sexual identity, gender expression, economic status, age or disability. We practice empathy with the intent to learn about the intersecting identities of each other. We will suspend our first judgement and do our best to lead without ego. We follow the principles of Kingian nonviolence, which are defined as follows:
Principle 1: Nonviolence is a way of life for courageous people. It is a positive force confronting the forces of injustice and utilizes the righteous indignation and spiritual, emotional, and intellectual capabilities of people as the vital force for change and reconciliation.
Principle 2: The Beloved Community is the framework for the future. The nonviolent concept is an overall effort to achieve a reconciled world by raising the level of relationships among people to a height where justice prevails and persons attain their full human potential.
Principle 3: Attack forces of evil, not persons doing evil. The nonviolent approach helps one analyze the fundamental conditions, policies and practices of the conflict rather than reacting to ones opponents or their personalities.
Principle 4: Accept suffering without retaliation for the sake of the cause to achieve our goal. Self-chosen suffering is redemptive and helps the movement grow in a spiritual as well as a humanitarian dimension. The moral authority of voluntary suffering for a goal communicates the concern to ones own friends and community as well as to the opponent.
Principle 5: Avoid internal violence of the spirit as well as external physical violence. The nonviolent attitude permeates all aspects of the campaign. It provides a mirror type reflection of the reality of the condition to ones opponent and the community at large. Specific activities must be designed to maintain a high level of spirit and morale during a nonviolent campaign.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Nictuku
(4,669 posts).... you know the rest
nini
(16,831 posts)at every opportunity.
Don't let their middle school mean girls crap stop you.
Cha
(319,584 posts)Good on ya, nini!
chillfactor
(7,694 posts)the march is not about Hillary...it is against the orange one.....you looking for an excuse not to go?
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LisaM
(29,665 posts)But it also shouldn't deliberately exclude her. And that shouldn't have been hidden until yesterday.
apcalc
(4,528 posts)45 years I've been marching and working politically.
Since 1971....for women's and and your reproductive rights...and look where we are... still fighting, and now here's Twitler...
And after ALL she endured...to see her name is NOT on the list...outrageous, unforgivable...an oversight? One helluva oversight. Another arrow to her heart. From women no less.
You may say I should overlook it...the organizers have their reasons...and maybe they do. Don't lecture.... I know what the march is about...you say against him...well, I would be marching FOR HER as well.
I'M WITH HER.
They don't need her, they sure as hell don't need me.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)This is how the right wing wins. They put seeds of hatred in the party against their own people and people eat it up and give up and quit. That's why the rust belt stayed home rather than voting. That's why progressives like Russ Feingold lost. Because we stayed home and gave up because of all the hatred flung at our side by our side.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)for the moment you can do as you wish. There is a much bigger picture here and the fight goes on and it must go on. We need good committed people such as yourself in the fight. Without us fighting we would be absolutely nowhere and back at square one. We have made progress but we must keep fighting for more and against injustice.
Maybe you should make a sign with your support for Hillary. This March is supposed to be about women's rights...not against Donald Trump...well yeah OK my sign says "Trump is Trash" and i have his head on top of Oscar the grouch's garbage can...for me it is 100% against him no matter what the organizers say.
I ordered a Hillary pin which never came but you can bet your bippy that if I had it I would be wearing it tomorrow. Who cares what people say or they don't...most people who voted voted for her PERIOD.
Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)Or will you be monitoring your computer for pictures?
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)you are sounding foolish right now since I'm going to the march in NYC...nothing will stop me..not some petty name off the honoree bullshit...NOTHING.
Stinky The Clown
(68,955 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)Hillary is not a delicate little flower.
There are much larger issues than her name being on a list.
Can you not see the forest for the trees?
apcalc
(4,528 posts)I have been in the forest for 45 years...
Cha
(319,584 posts)are off the list are insensitive to Millions of Women.
Hillary Clinton's Name Was Omitted From the Women's March Honoree List and People Are Angry
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On Thursday, January 19, the movement released a document about its guiding vision and definition of principles, which included the names of 27 women who have "paved the way" for equal rights. Clinton, who was the first-ever female presidential nominee for a major political party, was not among them and people took notice.
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A petition on Change.org was created in light of the omission. "As activists and allies, we are dismayed that March organizers excluded Hillary Rodham Clinton as an honoree who has inspired women around the world to serve and to lead," the request reads.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clintons-name-left-off-womens-march-honoree-list-w462125
I have been marching for the right of women for 45 years. Not any more. If HRC is out, so am I.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)For a lot of people here, hillary is their own personal jesus..
liberal N proud
(61,201 posts)One side or the other boycotts the effort over something or another.
apcalc
(4,528 posts)This is not a MINOR point, not simply a this or that or something or other.
She fought for ME. Whether that means anything to you or not . She was just like the others on the list who fought for me.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)...almost certainly deserves what's coming. Absolutely 100%. Maybe they'll learn. Maybe they won't.
But you can't fall for this divisive bullshit anymore. We gotta learn not to eat our own over trivialities.
apcalc
(4,528 posts)Is why it will take many more years....
Pay attention women...
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)in animal rescue with the infighting...IT'S DEPLORABLE.
chillfactor
(7,694 posts)I am sick and tired of this is us against them mentality....You are exactly right.....that is why we lose elections.....we have never learned to work together....this march tomorrow is NOT about Hillary...it is about protesting against the orange one and the recon congress who want to take our rights away.
Arazi
(8,887 posts)Hillary Clinton would only be a polarizing force for marchers - she isn't a universally loved person right now. There's more than a few who'd find her getting highlighted as problematic imo.
We don't even know if she's interested - she's basically been awol since the election
apcalc
(4,528 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts)boston bean
(36,943 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)boston bean
(36,943 posts)for those who are going and who probably mostly supported her wholeheartedly it will make a difference that a march they are participating in dissed her like this.
It's just another diss, another punch thrown at her and her supporters.
So, it matters.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)She'd have...
yardwork
(69,466 posts)LAS14
(15,522 posts)mopinko
(73,796 posts)maybe she said no.
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Apparently one of the organizers is still bitter about the primaries.
msongs
(73,890 posts)joshcryer
(62,536 posts)joshcryer
(62,536 posts)There will be a few of them there.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)About 4 inches big
SylviaD
(721 posts)It's now not a welcoming environment for ALL women. In my opinion. Canceled my plans to attend.
That is just what they want! Repubs love our circular firing squad!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Sorry kiddo. After marching for women's rights for over 45 years, I've had it. I am too old and too fucking tired to care about the rights of women who spent the campaign denigrating Hillary or for those who didn't come out to vote for her. Hillary told women what was going to happen and they didn't listen.
otohara
(24,135 posts)I would not fit in
kacekwl
(9,198 posts)If this is the kind of thing that divides us.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)apcalc
(4,528 posts)If you fail to see that , you are contributing to the division.
Of course, I will continue to work against Twitler.
Diss Hillary? At a women's rights event?
I'M OUT.
kacekwl
(9,198 posts)shoot someone because they "disrespected" them somehow. You're out got it.
I'm sick of this sh-t. Bunch of loonies running around, pretending they have power, grabbing mics. Just narcissism. No organization. No coordination of message.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)Susan Brownell Anthony (February 15, 1820 March 13, 1906) was an American social reformer and women's rights activist who played a pivotal role in the women's suffrage movement. Born into a Quaker family committed to social equality, she collected anti-slavery petitions at the age of 17. In 1856, she became the New York state agent for the American Anti-Slavery Society....
S.B.A. haters!
apcalc
(4,528 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)and none of them chose Hillary Clinton or Susan B. Anthony as their one-and-only choice?
It might have been better to leave off the examples altogether.
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Sounds like one of the organizers is still bitter about the primary and needs to shit on HRC one more time.
When asked to correct it, she just doubled down.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)I think that organizer is still caught up in Primary wars. In the end, I don't think she's reflective of most people involved.
Here's the uncredited quote:
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https://static1.squarespace.com/static/584086c7be6594762f5ec56e/t/587e8432b3db2b97b38a7a8f/1484686387172/WMW+Guiding+Vision+%26+Definition+of+Principles.pdf
<snip>
WHY WE MARCH
We are empowered by the legions of revolutionary leaders who paved the way for us to march, and acknowledge those around the globe who fight for our freedoms. We honor these women and so many more. They are #WHYWEMARCH.
Bella Abzug Corazon Aquino Ella Baker Grace Lee Boggs Berta Cáceres Rachel Carson Shirley Chisholm
Angela Davis Miss Major Griffin Gracy LaDonna Harris Dorothy I. Height bell hooks Dolores Huerta Marsha P. Johnson Barbara Jordan Yuri Kochiyama Winona LaDuke
Audre Lorde Wilma Mankiller Diane Nash Sylvia Rivera Barbara Smith Gloria Steinem Hannah G. Solomon Harriet Tubman Edith Windsor Malala Yousafzai
VALUES & PRINCIPLES
● We believe that Womens Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Womens Rights. This is the basic and original tenet from which all our values stem.
---------------------------------
Excerpt from HRC's speech on September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:
https://m.
Sparkly
(24,893 posts)No matter how smart, brave, poised, experienced, detailed, honest, well-spoken or gracious she is, she's just not as good as (insert a man's name here).
(Edit: Women aren't immune from this double-vision either, unfortunately.)
Little Star
(17,055 posts)LisaM
(29,665 posts)First of all, there's really no reason for a list at all, if you ask me, especially such a short one (if they were going to have it, they could have and should have listed thousands of names), but many of us are/were going because of Hillary. It's a deliberate and pointed insult. I contacted the organizers. And my sign tomorrow (in Seattle) will say HILLARY in big letters.
Buckeye_Democrat
(15,526 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(34,286 posts)such an attitude about Hillary, does this mean they voted 3rd party?
If so this is their fault in the first god damn place.
Having said that I guess this isnt time to point fingers, unless they dont get who they want next time around and this happens AGAIN.
SylviaD
(721 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)I say march on!
lindysalsagal
(22,970 posts)I'll be there with the women who matter: Regular, every day, hard-working, smart women, who know that the wrong fool has managed to grab power through illegal tactics.
So far, at least 120K women are expected in NYC. That's all I need to know.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)lindysalsagal
(22,970 posts)Croney
(5,018 posts)Sure, she deserves to be on it. There could be 200,000 people marching tomorrow, and we'll see all kinds of signs and support for human rights. I'll never be close enough to hear the speakers, but I'll bet Hillary gets mentioned and honored throughout the day.
KT2000
(22,175 posts)to reduce turnout and it may be working. Think RW could be up to tricks?
As Dems we need to not be reactionary and keep our eyes on the big picture. We always get trapped by the edict that "you should only marry a virgin."
meadowlander
(5,141 posts)If your priority is whose name is shortlisted for a meaningless award and not turning out to express absolute outrage at the rollback of reproductive rights and the illegitimacy of the new regime in Washington then you are part of the problem.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,842 posts)Fighting over some organizer who doesn't like Hillary and using that person's foolishness as an excuse not to participate? Come on. I wish I could go and I don't give a crap that one organizer is stupid. 200,000+ people are going, most of whom probably don't know or care about this one dumb person.
martigras
(151 posts)Other sites saying white and black women are feuding.
Sounds like Rumpsters don't want the women's march to be larger than his inaugural. Don't listen to the noise!
Texasgal
(17,241 posts)Why is it that as a woman I cannot go and protest for MY OWN REASONS?
One of the main reasons I am going tomorrow is to protest the shut down of funding for Planned Parenthood in Texas. My protest sign is all about it.
Women are constantly marginalized and told we must do this and we must do THAT. You know what? Fuck that! I am protesting for many reasons and I will not bow out because some dumb ass forgot to mention Hillary. I'm in Texas. Women are in a very precarious situation here. I don't have the LUXURY of worrying about Hillary being mentioned or not.
yardwork
(69,466 posts)Told people to vote against Hillary and write in Jill Stein. That's disgusting to me. They HELPED elect Trump. Shameful.
Texasgal
(17,241 posts)I am not one of those people and the 12 ladies that I will be attending our march are not either. I am pretty sure we ALL voted for Hillary. I know I did.
Please STOP trying to marginalize me as a woman. I have my reasons and like I said post up we women here in Texas don't have the luxury of being pissed off about Hillary being left off a "list". We have MAJOR issues to deal with here.
yardwork
(69,466 posts)I am fucking pissed off at every person in this country who helped elect Trump.
They can go piss up a rope.
Texasgal
(17,241 posts)I voted for Hillary.
What do you want?
Really... what is it that you want?
yardwork
(69,466 posts)I am furious. I am livid.
Texasgal
(17,241 posts)I certainly hope you are not suggesting that we should not march at all.
Please make yourself clear here.
yardwork
(69,466 posts)Texasgal
(17,241 posts)I "ASKED" you if that was what your were suggesting.
It was a question.
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Texasgal
(17,241 posts)Really?
You are so wrong. Really wrong. *sigh*
I hate it when people on DU do this. It really sucks.
Hey look, I am going to be out there in Austin, TX protesting and being a woman. Sorry you cannot see around that.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)for one will not roll over and help them diss Hillary.
Texasgal
(17,241 posts)So? What do you want me say?
I plan on marching for Women. Do you have a problem with that?
forgotmylogin
(7,961 posts)She is why protests are taking place. I'm sure it's not going to hurt her one bit to see women turning out representing themselves in DC whether her name is on the paperwork or not because that's what she is, her spirit is in all women and all people.
Retrograde
(11,431 posts)The March is bigger than any one individual woman - even Hillary Clinton. This sudden focus on an alleged slight plays into the Alt-Right (and their allies) playbook: get us fighting amongst each other so we forget to focus on the common - and real - enemy.
I'm planning to attend a local march tomorrow. I hope that everyone who planned to attend the march in DC does so.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)Warpy
(114,650 posts)and the threat that this pussy grabbing shitgibbon represents to all of us.
Raine
(31,202 posts)what's more important Hillary or showing that Trump & his crap won't be tolerated!
yardwork
(69,466 posts)Like that kind of divisive shit?
meadowlander
(5,141 posts)Let it go.
We can move forward together or we can keep up the circular firing squad until the GOP sweeps 2018 too.
JHan
(10,173 posts)If I was in the States I'd be all up in that. Sure it was a shitty move but we have to resist attempts to divide, even if one of the organizers pulled a shitty move.
Wear every bit of Hillary paraphernalia you've got!
bigtree
(94,434 posts)...there is no way this large crowd is going to agree on everything.
What they should be in solidarity with is the downfall of Trump and the advancement of issues related and vital to women. I'd guess those will be on full display.
Horse with no Name
(34,245 posts)There are millions of us out here.
yardwork
(69,466 posts)The co-chair of the march is BRAGGING that she told people to vote AGAINST Hillary in the GE. She helped put Trump in the White House!
What. The. Fuck.
Horse with no Name
(34,245 posts)I did what I can do.
Freethinker65
(11,203 posts)I am going to show support for women, America, rights, and democracy (among other things). There will be others going for other reasons, and there will be some disrupters. Whatever the original intent of the organizer(s) was, it has become something much bigger than they ever believed possible. After today's inauguration it is important to show our strength in numbers against where we see this new administration taking our country. While I may not agree with every attendee on every issue, I can bet I am more in agreement with them than with those that cheered gleefully as they attended/watched today's inauguration ceremony and spectecal.
JoeOtterbein
(7,870 posts)yardwork
(69,466 posts)janx
(24,128 posts)yardwork
(69,466 posts)She's bragging that she helped keep Hillary from winning the election!
janx
(24,128 posts)This is supposed to prevent people from going to the marches? Also, is that her real name?
janx
(24,128 posts)I doubt I'll find it, but thanks for your help. I see nothing on the FB Women's March page that references this at all.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)This is sour grapes, phony outrage, bogus umbrage, etc. Ignore.
Fearless
(18,458 posts)Just stop fighting the primaries.
still_one
(98,883 posts)marching for the organizers of this event. I am marching for women who have been discriminated against because of gender, for groups and organizations such as planned parenthood who have fought for women's rights, and for individual women, such as Hillary who have devoted their entire lives to women's rights.
Texasgal
(17,241 posts)I am protesting for the assholes in Texas to STOP the defunding of Planned Parenthood among other issues.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Notice anything about it?????
Anything at all?????
https://www.womensmarch.com/team/
An abundance of Hillary supporters, perhaps?
But NOOOOOOO, you single out one Bernie supporter and try to make it all about an intentional slight against Hillary,
Yea, that's it, this group of women, which just happens to include one of Hillary's campaign co-chairs, got together to slap you in the face.
This is a manufactured outrage.