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Last edited Sun Jan 22, 2017, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)
She is rattled and rambling.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)a rattle Conway competition.
dalton99a
(81,590 posts)Cha
(297,678 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,486 posts)(but it was a Gucci )
Arkansas Granny
(31,531 posts)that is issuing from her lips. She and DT should know better than to bait and belittle the press.
Sunny05
(865 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,214 posts)Laf.La.Dem.
(2,945 posts)That is why she was hired!
dubyadiprecession
(5,722 posts)What press secretary shows up to bitch about crowd size being bigger than it was, and proof of the matter says the opposite???
To make matters even more fucked up, he takes no questions and ends the press meeting!!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)And I do mean the entire world.
Native
(5,943 posts)And
kairos12
(12,873 posts)Cha
(297,678 posts)dalton99a
(81,590 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)The alternative reality starts with believing religious bullshit, continues with elevating religious fantasy to the level of fact and ultimately ends with enacting laws based on those fantasies, laws that effect real people.
Joediss
(84 posts)Religion and fox news ( alternate facts ) is a couple of reasons that we got these people in the white house.
Pluvious
(4,319 posts)Squinch
(51,014 posts)NickB79
(19,270 posts)Generator
(7,770 posts)Because this one is a fake.
Sunny05
(865 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)It's a dead giveaway. It's open, she's lying. Period.
Sunny05
(865 posts)Sunny05
(865 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,531 posts)sturnz0r
(30 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)...ooze out through the cracks. I dare say.
Cha
(297,678 posts)Thank you!
kairos12
(12,873 posts)He kept asking her why the White House sent out the Press Secretary to lie about a prove able fact like crowd size. She kept trying to deflect with unrelated statements but he would not let up. She refused to answer about why the White House began it's relationship by not telling the truth.
Please watch a tape of it. I can't do it justice. It was the first time that I've seen Conway completely rattled. Sorry I don't have the link.
Cha
(297,678 posts)I hope they keep doing that and she stays rattled.
So she never did answer the question.. but everyone knew she was a lying sack of shite. Good.
Like to be a spider on the wall after that session with them in the war room and Conway having to explain why she got so rattled with gish galloping.. do they need to find someone who won't get rattled? lol
kairos12
(12,873 posts)oasis
(49,408 posts)She's going to go off her rocker in a few short months. The unraveling will be delicious.
Thanks for the link.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Put up wet comes to mind when I see this haggard looking shrill.
Native
(5,943 posts)She gives us plenty to despise and discuss without going there.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)She does look haggard, and her hair looks like flat-ironed straw.
She's lucky that she wasn't called Mooochelle as in cow, an ape in heels, or monkey face, gorilla, man-beast, N-word or chimpanzee like Michelle Obama was and IS called.
Hell, I'd take being called haggard anytime over many of those golden racist oldies like Michelle was/is called.
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)But he did a quick recovery and came right back at him.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)almost worked at the point when "everything but" was a mischaracterization of the goals of the march. He started to take the bait on that one, then made a fantastic recovery.
oasis
(49,408 posts)The new WH is counting on their continued allegiance to ignorance.
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)tactic being used - AND - one of her other tactics nearly worked.
It takes intense focus not only to point out the obvious, but to avoid being derailed by her other tactics. He was extremely good through most of that segment (better than I've seen before), but she still nearly manged to derail the conversation when she tried to twist the marches as being directed toward failures of the Obama administration.
Native
(5,943 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)That will become the onging threat everytime they get their feelings hurt.
Cha
(297,678 posts)tblue37
(65,488 posts)as being ridiculous, she is actually saying just what Todd himself said when asked why he didn't push back against Right Wing lies. Todd said it wasn't the press's job to say whether the interviewee was lying or telling the truth!
SNIP
During a segment on "Morning Joe," former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D) speculated that most opponents of the Affordable Care Act have been fed erroneous information about the law. Todd said that Republicans "have successfully messaged against it" but he disagrees with those who argue that the media should educate the public on the law. According to Todd, that's President Barack Obama's job.
"But more importantly, it would be stuff that Republicans have successfully messaged against it," Todd told Rendell. "They don't repeat the other stuff because they haven't even heard the Democratic message. What I always love is people say, 'Well, it's you folks' fault in the media.' No, it's the President of the United States' fault for not selling it."
SNIP
Later he tweeted that he didn't mean to not to call out lies, but of course that is exactly the effect of not calling out lies because you don't think it's your job to do so:
Chuck Todd ✔ @chucktodd
I was NOT saying it isn't job of journos to call out lies, I said it was not job of media to sell WH's health care message, it is WH's job
Cha
(297,678 posts)yesterday but saw it edited in your OP and suffered through it.
I never want to hear here again in my life. First and only time yesterday.. I felt like I was violated with attempted brainwashing.
She's a danger to humanity
Bucky
(54,068 posts)Response to Bucky (Reply #14)
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Marthe48
(17,024 posts)with dumpy
Roy Rolling
(6,933 posts)Be careful of the real punch they throw after they whiff---"we are really the victims here". As sure as the sun rises, "we are victims" will make an appearance.
As in "blah, blah, blah I'll go high while you go low." BAM! There it is.
procon
(15,805 posts)WTF are "Alternative facts"?
thucythucy
(8,086 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)no alternative facts...you have facts or lies.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)A nostalgic trip back to the Nixonian days of my youth.
-90% Jimmy
Norbert9
(494 posts)Keeps me up at night
Makes me sick to my stomach
Brings thoughts of emigration
Now that it's coming from the White House press room, it's scary
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Didn't see it.
kairos12
(12,873 posts)Response to kairos12 (Reply #25)
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SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Sorry, but I really don't know what else to call her.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)I'd call her detestable, graceless, an enemy combatant....
Peace ~
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I will try not to use that word in the future. There are other words that can describe her better. Sorry for my insensitivity.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I will try to be more careful in the future.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,899 posts)She's exactly like Trump. A childish liar. When we finally get rid of him I'm not going to tolerate "I was following orders" from the cheerleader.
Native
(5,943 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)And from then on, she was smirking at him.
As long as they invite her on, she wins.
kairos12
(12,873 posts)she was done after she used the phrase "alternative facts."
brush
(53,871 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 22, 2017, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)
She did continue with her gish gallop bs though.
lastlib
(23,287 posts)...except with the ditto-heads that worship her Feuhrer.
brush
(53,871 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)Agree.
The lying witch got her lying points across very effectively, and I really didn't see ANYTHING from toad rebuking her or making her cower.
As you rightfully said, SHE WON......AGAIN.
tom_kelly
(962 posts)I find that people that constantly repeat the name of the person they're talking to are usually vindictive sorts. It took everything Todd had to keep from saying "lied." It was killing him. Does she eat food?
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Astonishing.
She is DEVIOUSNESS incarnate. Master of MindFuckery
The KGOP is clearly a criminal enterprise straight up from the hell realms of the DARKSIDE.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Hekate
(90,816 posts)....with a soft and friendly voice beamed directly at US troops in the Pacific from our deadly enemy, attempting to undermine their morale with a combination of fake news, concern for their wellbeing, and propaganda. Can't remember if she also played popular tunes for them. I believe she was a US citizen who got stuck in Japan by the outbreak of the war. 50 years later we find out she was coerced, but she did do our enemy's bidding. Go google.
Kellyanne is a whole different kettle of fish: malignant, a master of the Gish Gallop, all the subtlety of a jackhammer, and she is not being coerced. She herself is the enemy, of her own free will.
I will take credit for starting to call Thom Hartmann "Tokyo Rose" here at DU. I'm being consciously sarcastic, but in a very specific sense. There is no joke at the end of this post.
Thom is someone admired and trusted by a certain segment of America, and he is broadcasting from the studios of a country that is our sworn enemy. Up to a point, I see how he and a few other Americans got there in the first place: the smiling face, the offer of the hand of brotherhood, the Cold War is officially over, the paycheck.
But Putin's Russia is now revealed not only for what some of us knew already, but as an entity that is actively trying to destroy the government of the US as well as that of democratic European nations.
Russia effing bent our presidential election. What the Hell is Thom Hartmann doing still taking their money?
Just saying: I don't use the term lightly, and I'll always be careful to whom I apply it.
lancelyons
(988 posts)The lady can flat out deflect and Lie.
disgusting.
ScubaSteve
(83 posts)And the definition is:
Compulsive Liar -
A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (unlike sociopaths), rather they simply lie out of habit.
We will no longer hear any "TRUTH" out of the White House
Sad!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)a loooooonnnng 4 years. Damn!!! She is pitiful.....they will threaten and try to shut down the press in this country...guaranteed. And just like many dictators have done they will try to shut us out(internet).
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)FO CONway!
SujiwanKenobee
(290 posts)We may loathe her but honestly, she did exactly what her job calls for and she's a master at over-talking, pivoting, attacking and obfuscation. I think she triumphed over Todd because he couldn't get anything he wanted from this interview. I was struck by her comment of "we're going to have to rethink our relationship here..."
Is it possible to play their same game by publically *not* using the appointed Trump people for news? Who is there who supports Liberals and has the same "gift" of giving no ground, that could go toe to toe with KA?
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)What's she going to say? "Oh, yes, we trotted out the 'bad media' theme because we are intent on controlling the message and using the media to be our propaganda arm, and we'll bully the media at every opportunity until the relent and be our toadies."
Of course she wouldn't go there. Trumpy doubles-down. He apparently thinks he can win, so he'll try pummeling the press at every opportunity. Trumpy seriously sees this as WAR. That's why the CIA was so nice to him yesterday. They don't have to incite war with Trumpy. They can just go about their investigations linking Trumpy to Russia. And when the shit hits the fan, Congress will be splattered with the spray and they'll be forced to respond.
Already, the Trumpy White House is under siege.
Native
(5,943 posts)Vinca
(50,304 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)She is really is fucking disgusting though. I cannot wait until history corrects all this...history is not going to let these BLATANT LIARS get away with this. They think they're so smart - you are going to BURN in the annals.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)Sad thing is - people buy her crap.
skypilot
(8,854 posts)...tired and haggard to me. I doubt that she DOES sleep much at night.
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)I can't watch her - my blood pressure skyrockets. I think it's her constant talking and over-talking - not paying attention, deflection, obfuscation and purposely 'not understanding.'
I applaud Chuck Todd for being able to put up with speaking with her at all.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)Looks haggard and horrible.
Native
(5,943 posts)Marthe48
(17,024 posts)she sucks energy off us.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)seriously.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)Named for the debate tactic created by creationist shill Duane Gish, a Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your opponent cant address let alone counter all of it. To make matters worse a Gish Gallop will often have one or more 'talking points' that has a tiny core of truth to it, making the person rebutting it spend even more time debunking it in order to explain that, yes, it's not totally false but the Galloper is distorting/misusing/misstating the actual situation. A true Gish Gallop generally has two traits.
1) The factual and logical content of the Gish Gallop is pure bullshit and anybody knowledgeable and informed on the subject would recognize it as such almost instantly. That is, the Gish Gallop is designed to appeal to and deceive precisely those sorts of people who are most in need of honest factual education.
2) The points are all ones that the Galloper either knows, or damn well should know, are totally bullshit. With the slimier users of the Gish Gallop, like Gish himself, its a near certainty that the points are chosen not just because the Galloper knows that they're bullshit, but because the Galloper is deliberately trying to shovel as much bullshit into as small a space as possible in order to overwhelm his opponent with sheer volume and bamboozle any audience members with a facade of scholarly acumen and factual knowledge.
Stop interviewing her! She will ALWAYS avoid answering questions, deflect and accuse.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)Look at how long that interview lasted, and she NEVER answered the question!
I swear, I think the media enjoys interviewing her just because they can't come up with better material to fill their damn shows!!
2naSalit
(86,791 posts)as with the whole cabal, is a waste of good air that should be put to better use by endangered species.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Todd knew that she couldn't answer the question because the only way to do so would be to expose the tactical shallowness of Trumpy's approach. And Propaganda Barbie's salary depends on protecting Trumpy. She's the Tokyo Rose of 2017. She's good, but she's a one-act play, and she apparently thinks that we all want her to extend the dates of her performance, as if it's got appeal.
It doesn't.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Her lies and defections are disgusting.
randr
(12,415 posts)Now I have to take a shower
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)She looks like death warmed over.
She deserves everything coming her way for prostituting herself for Trump.
I hope her life is destroyed.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)All of this is disgusting!
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)Native
(5,943 posts)cilla4progress
(24,770 posts)I know. I wish.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Call them liars and call them LIES!
There will be uncountable opportunities to do so in the next four years with the Dear Leader and his mouthpieces that's for damn sure!
CanonRay
(14,117 posts)Going to be a long four years.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Dems need to use this phrase on a hourly and daily basis...
Remember flip-flop and invented the internet?
Talk about served up on a silver tray...
joewicker_TX
(73 posts)She is the biggest shit show on TV....I cant even.
I'd rather have a root canal with no anesthesia than watch this douche nozzle. She acts like a petulant child. She ain't gonna make it 4 years with Chuckie up her ass every week.
I wonder how long it will take before these twits blackout the news all together and just talk to Faux.
AJT
(5,240 posts)She said they may need to rethink Trumps relationship with the press. That was her point. To convince the base how unfair the press has been to poor Trump (and she does a great job lying and whining) so they can kick the press out.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)It's absolutely pointless unless they just want to fill their time slot with garbage.
adigal
(7,581 posts)When are they going to get together and start calling her on her shit? And if they remove everyone but Breibart and Fox News, no one will listen. And the real reporters will have time to actually investigate.
Cha
(297,678 posts)not take dictation from the Liars Club.
Yeah, I made myself listen to it, too.. the whining and lying was making me nauseous .. I'll never do that again.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Perhaps the Press is "rethinking" it's relationship to YOU.
The mood in the streets yesterday tells its own story. That you and your boss refuse to listen will spell your demise.
Native
(5,943 posts)Telling them specifically what they should be reporting instead of calling them on their lies really gets me. I don't know how these reporters don't lose it when they hear that shit.
Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Something soft, whipped cream perhaps. I don't wish to see any harm come to her, merely the ridicule she so richly deserves.
Zambero
(8,968 posts)This particular pie-in-the-face moment would occur at the precise point where Conway mentions "alternative facts". That one should stick, as a suitable euphemism for a bald face lie.
Cha
(297,678 posts)that whiny twit's gish galloping.. what a boring fuck@
she's going to have to "rethink their relationship".. damn if I never have to listen to her again it will be too soon.
todd was like a dog with bone though.. he did keep coming back to it through the whole interview while she lied her stupid ass off about everything under the Sun.
Too bad MKL III gave blotus cover.
I hate her gd guts for lying about President Obama
DrDan
(20,411 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)catbyte
(34,454 posts)her a few thousand cases of Imodium for that verbal diarrhea she's suffering from. Jesus Fucking Christ, it's going to be an excruciating 4 years.
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)The White House is the People's house.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)On Monday morning and telling them I have Alternative facts that there's really $250,000 in my account.
alfredo
(60,077 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)alfredo
(60,077 posts)appleannie1943
(1,303 posts)She will zoom into outer space one of these days.
tblue37
(65,488 posts)faslehood." (At 2:36 and following.)
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)I listened to the entire film clip. It was difficult. Her voice is grating and whiney. Let's remember that she is one of the voices for Trumpy, who closely monitors everything she says. Trumpy uses Spicer and Conway as extensions of his massive, bloated ego. What she doesn't seem to be aware of is that most of the country sees her for who she is. Finally, the conventional midwestern perception is taking hold: she's a phony and her boss is a phony. Both know nothing and pretend that they're geniuses. And this interview is a good example of how Conway works. We won't see this act for more than a year. The nation will get so fed up with their bullshit, they'll be screaming to get both of them removed. If they were to just shut up and act dignified, their tenure would last longer. But Trumpy doesn't know how, and he'll insist on fighting every slight, every insult, every challenge.
What a waste.
SaveOurDemocracy
(4,400 posts)Danascot
(4,694 posts)Kellyanne Conway is a beautiful woman and not a flesh covered rubber glove pulled over a skeleton
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)Chuckles should said, fine, let's break up then.
zanana1
(6,129 posts)I just want to shout "OMG Kelly--SHUT UP!
ProfessorPlum
(11,277 posts)I'm already tired from all the winning
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)sad what conservatism does to people's brains.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)The media and guys like Toad can go FUCK THEMSELVES!
Where the fuck were they months ago?
Out for ratings, a bunch of tools. I have not since election day, and will not watch the news media and their tripe anymore. When my local news starts talking politics, instant channel change.
I'll get my news from reputable sources, with intelligent commentary. DU, Colbert, Oliver, Noah, Bee....sad that you have to turn towards comedy to get facts
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Ramble? All the freakin' time. It's what she does for a living and, truly, I don't know how she does it. What an awful way to make a living. Day in and day out, all the time, she lies. How the hell does she maintain relationships. I think she has 4 or 5 kids, so she ha a family out there. Are they proud of what she does when they see her? This lying isn't inconsequential. She speaks for the President. Her lies in the future will, no doubt, be flat-out dangerous. This is very serious stuff. And very bizarre. She's a black hole where time disappears. The time interviewers spend talking to her and we spend listening to her is totally wasted and gone forever.
I suppose this isn't a very nice thing to say, but if she dropped dead this afternoon it would be a good thing.
JI7
(89,269 posts)I don't know if it's because she is a woman but he is tough with her and tHings she says compared to others including trump himself.
Since Todd has shown himself to be a bad reporter I'm going to say this has more to do with sexism than anything else.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Nobody should be surprised by this.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)bdamomma
(63,922 posts)anything for the KING huh Kellyanne???
GAS LIGHTING IS WHAT SHE IS DOING>
Always being up the election too. I do not like her at all.
IcyPeas
(21,904 posts)Seriously. I have never been a good debater or good at arguing. I freeze up and walk away. I just can't do it. My mind goes all blank if I am flustered.
So where does one learn how to do this. I am asking seriously. Can I go take a class in Kellyanne Conway School of Arguing and Obfuscating and Alternate Facts.
I am amazed watching her avoid answering one question and the twisting and turning - I just don't know how she does it. AND, she is great at it.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)The brains of psychopaths showed less gray matter in the anterior rostral prefrontal cortex and temporal poles. These areas of the brain are activated when people think about moral behavior and they are responsible for empathy and understanding other peoples emotions and intentions. They also influence a response to fear and self-conscious emotions such as guilt, embarrassment, and remorse. The offenders without the pathology had gray matter volumes similar to non-offenders.
Mister Ed
(5,944 posts)I guess that's all it takes to rattle and destroy this deceitful creature.
canetoad
(17,186 posts)May not be immediately apparent to the good folk of the USA.
Frogg
(365 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Until they cut the mics...Trump minions will ramble on talking over the interviewer...
But she made a huge error in saying alternative facts which now will be used as the description from now on of the trump admin