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[jaxind]

1. Thank you!

Reading that, gives me some hope!! Thank you!!

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Elijah Cummings said the same thing basically, that what he knows would SHOCK the

public.

Clearly money and influence from Russia was accepted by Trump and is the reason he won and proving that will really be fun to watch.

[Orrex]

5. Democrats should quit fucking around and go public

I'm tired of all these shocking teasers. What the fuck are they waiting for? Read the classified report into the Congressional Record! The people have the right to know, and the Congress has the duty to tell them.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

12. I second that motion.

Fuck decorum, just give me the truth.

[WinkyDink]

95. Third! Get off the frickin' pot, and be patriotic!

[onetexan]

108. Fourth! About time this russian meddling is finally revealed.

[wordpix]

221. fifth! Trump wants an investigation, let him have it!

in more ways than one

[wordpix]

222. at some point, Abe Lincoln had to say f--k decorum, it's on

and let's just do it

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. Someone I talk to in DC media said it would be leaked before the

crime occurred on Friday, crime being inauguration.

Didnt happen, I too am pissed that it might not come out for some time.

[DK504]

85. Lookie

The media drops the ball, again. When will they grow a set?

[WinkyDink]

96. My theory? They're paid too well to jeopardize the paydays.

[wordpix]

223. if it's classified or leaking would jeopardize the investigation

no one is leaking to the media---yet. Don't know what Don will have to do before leaking happens

[brush]

26. I don't get it either. Classified info is anonymously leaked all the time

Comey's attempt to silence everyone by classifying the info he sat on for way before the election will only work for so long.

The info will get out and Comey will be out as well as trump.

[onetexan]

107. Comey needs to be locked up with trump

FOR TREASON.

[brush]

127. YES!

[George II]

156. Pence will pardon both of them, just like Ford pardoned Nixon.

[2naSalit]

166. I think there's a wole gang

who might be indicted, even levels below Ryan and rinsed penis... it's yuuuge.

[tomp]

179. it would be political suicide to pardon someone convicted of treason.

the backlash would be revolutionary. my guess is pence would be implicated as well or at least would zero credibility.

[George II]

182. True, but if you recall Ford pardoned Nixon even before he was indicted for anything....

...but you're right about Pence, he's probably in as deeply as any of them. We might have a President Ryan by the end of the year.

[bigbrother05]

193. Trump/Putin/Russia tainted the election Prez Ryan

Don't think they could give it to HRC, but if the election was considered invalid, Pence should not be allowed to serve either. If they just find that Trump personally is corrupt, guess we get Mikey in the absence of his involvement.

[wordpix]

224. let's get this straight: if Trump is removed, Pence is in as "Acting President"

I don't believe the Constitution says for how long.

[George II]

226. He's president until the next election, and the Senate gets to pick his vice president.

Back during the Nixon regime it worked the opposite - Spiro Agnew resigned first, the Senate chose Gerald Ford (in accordance with the 25 Amendment), then Nixon resigned and the Senate chose Nelson Rockefeller.

It was the first full administration (president and vp) where both members were "appointed".

[ProudProgressiveNow]

36. +1 nt

[uponit7771]

44. On the real, fuck all the dumb shit

[Alekzander]

60. Same here, tired of hearing if we only knew.

[drray23]

72. That would protect whomever does it from repercutions.

Since it is spelled out in the constitution that members of congress can not be prosecuted for anything they say on the floor while in session.

[KittyWampus]

119. No, Obama is a Constitutional scholar. I believe they are doing what is necessary

as frustrating as it is.

[Orrex]

134. I generally trust Obama

I do not trust our spineless Representatives and Senators, as a group, to stand up and do the courageous thing.

[KittyWampus]

136. Suppose leaking jeopardized the case being built?

[TexasBushwhacker]

154. I'm fine with waiting for them to build a solid case n/t

[BadgerMom]

155. This

What if Pence and/or McConnell and/or Ryan are implicated and the investigation is ongoing? Couldn't revealing part of the facts crush some others?

[Orrex]

157. Then Democrats should shut their goddamn mouths about it

Either shit or get off the pot. All of this "I've got a secret" bullshit is beneath them, or it should be.


After the fact, if we find out that their bombshell information wouldn't have disrupted the case, then can we demand their resignations for dereliction of duty?

[KittyWampus]

192. It appears they are in a no-win situation. The best they can do is telegraph things

to constituents who are barraging them with calls to DO SOMETHING.

[tavalon]

197. Started today

Called my Senators. Will call every day.

[calimary]

204. GOOD!

TOLL-FREE Capitol Hill switchboard numbers conveniently located in my sig line below. Found a new one to add in there, too.

[Orrex]

199. They are utterly tin-eared about it, though

Anonymous has been promising some big bombshell for months, without result.
Tom Arnold tells us that there's a irredeemably damning tape, but no one can see it.
Democrats are saying that America would be shocked if we knew what they can't tell us.

See the pattern? There seem to be a lot of reassurances that there will come a reckoning, but no one is pulling the trigger. Whether or not Democrats have (or have seen) the scoop, they're demonstrating no greater credibility than Tom Arnold or a YouTuber in a Guy Fawkes mask.

If I turn out to be wrong, and Democrats have a killer surprise in store for Trump, then I'll happily recant. Until then? There's no reason to think that they've got anything up their collective sleeve.

[calimary]

205. Yeah. And gee, where is Wikileaks? Don't bother - we all know the answer to that one.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

141. That's what I'm hoping. They are being very careful not to blow this

extremely important case. Better to have it solid than soon.

[Fritz Walter]

57. Gloves off!

Seeing how we've gotten totally fucked-over whenever we've played by the rules, and our beloved nation is now spiraling into a totalitarian state where we can expect no quarter, we should give none!

[iluvtennis]

165. And Maxine Waters alluded to it in some comments..no specifics...you have to ready between the lines

[Dream Girl]

3. I'm sure there are lots in the press who have gotten a whiff of this.

They are staring to smell blood.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. Journalistic careers will be built on investigative reporting, as Woodward & Bernstein did. nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. Thank you for telling us! Most deeply appreciated. n/t

[meadowlark5]

6. I also read that impeachment can come from the judiciary or start there?

It's not just the congress to decide if they will impeach. It can start in the judiciary. Anyone know if that's true?

I keep hearing it's up to congress solely - like it starts and ends there. But it sounds like there are other avenues to begin it and try to advance it to the house.

And your friend only adds to my belief that Trump and Co and some of the dirtiest, cheating, corrupt mafia we've ever had in Washington. At least in my lifetime.

[KentuckyWoman]

39. Not a chance in hell

if Trump is ever impeached I'll eat nothing but lima beans every day for a month.

[justiceischeap]

48. Robert Reich posted on Facebook yesterday

of an exchange between him and a former GOP congressman.

The gist of the convo is such:

The GOP is going to get whatever they can and wait for Danger Cheeto to fuck up, let him take the fall for bad stuff, then impeach 'cause they like Pence.

I'll take it with a grain of salt but there ya have it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. Oh great, Pence.

[redstateblues]

71. Great sign in Nashville yesterday. "Mike Pence Also Sucks"

[SammyWinstonJack]

80. He does, he's worse.

[cilla4progress]

86. Thing is Pence doesn't have the same

Marketing "skills" as Trump so I think can do less damage.

[regnaD kciN]

171. He could do less damage as a *candidate*...

...but, once already in office? Let's put it this way -- while Pence will be unlikely to, say, impose martial law if he doesn't get his way (not that that's a small consideration), if he becomes president, we can count on the entire Tea Party agenda cemented firmly in place before his term is up, while Trump might be likely to balk at some of their more-extreme items.

[ProfessorGAC]

180. Don't Agree

He would be toothless
See Gerald Ford. Good man; national laughingstock. Nixon's fault

[NewJeffCT]

200. I tend to agree

Pence will be wounded, and without Trump's ability to grab all the media attention, the media may actually focus on how horrible the actual GOP policies are instead of what outrageous things Trump said or tweeted today or last night.

That said, even though Ford was weakened, he lost a very close election to Carter in 1976.

And, when our Connecticut governor resigned about 10 years ago in the face of impending impeachment, his Lt Governor came in and was able to turn the negativity around 180 and became extremely popular and untouched by her boss' scandals. (the local cartoonist in CT took to drawing her in Snow White clothing)

So, while I would be okay with a wounded President Pence, Democrats would need to kick him while he's down to make sure he doesn't rise again.

[calimary]

207. I kinda doubt that. He'd have the wind at his back with a friendly and fawning Congress.

Fellow republi-CONS, many of whom served in the House with him. He's who they really want. AND don't forget, he was able to do tremendous damage to his state with his far-right, my-religion-trumps-your-rights, and anti-LGBTQ moves that passed easily in Indiana and lost millions of dollars in business, corporations moving away, conventions canceling, jobs lost or moved out of state with those defecting companies. He made a huge mess. But he COULD. Because he had the whole infrastructure of a CON state legislature moving in lockstep behind him. Indiana's a blood-red state. We have those same kinds of conditions on Capitol Hill now. A President Mike Pence would have the wind at his back, and he'd likely do far more damage than even trump could. Besides, trump's offended far more people, and Pence has reliably always been around to try to walk it back and smooth things over and clean up the surface imaging.

The only benefit I could see would be that this four-year term would be broken up. Hopefully neither one of 'em could get much accomplished with their time in office truncated and disrupted like this. IMPEACHMENT proceedings would be VERY disruptive and carnivorous. They'd suck all the air out of the room and dominate the headlines for months. Kinda hard to get stuff done when you have a head-wind like that working against you, and more questions to answer about the IMPEACHMENT proceedings than about your so-called agenda. Last time, it kinda ground things in Washington to a halt. The whole Clinton thing, and before that, Nixon. It becomes the Godzilla that eats Manhattan (and beyond).

A hamstrung republi-CON fighting off a scandal so messy that it leads to IMPEACHMENT is a good thing. It can cripple an administration for the duration. And that's a VERY good thing. The more and the longer that trump or trump/pence can be PREVENTED from being up to no good, the better.

Btw - I'm writing IMPEACHMENT in caps again now. To add emphasis and draw attention to it. It'd be nice to see a drumbeat get started. In practicality, we're probably gonna have to wait for the purported "honeymoon" phase to end and the novelty and "let's give the new guy a chance" crap to wear off. So we won't see anything for awhile.

[mopinko]

110. please do not compare cheeto favorably to any human, no matter how nasty.

it makes him sound normal. this.is.not.normal.

[meadowlark5]

82. He does suck and he's just as big of a patsy at Trump

But - I don't think he would be doing so much on a global scale to jeopardize the US like giving Putin an open door policy, isolating ourselves from the rest of the world, tweeting or doing reckless things ushering us into WWIII.

The things he could put in place as a theocracy could be undone with a change of presidencies and/or senate congress. Getting us blown up or into a war with no way out isn't as easy to undo.

[cilla4progress]

126. He doesn't have trump's gag

Charisma though, so can't garner the support

I threw up a little in my mouth.

[WinkyDink]

97. I'm thinking, literally.

[ginnyinWI]

201. Reminder: they got rid of VP Agnew before Nixon.

Put Ford in as VP. Then Nixon went down. Don't know if that was deliberate, but it might make sense in this case, too.

[Grammy23]

73. That makes sense to me.

Use Trumpolini to get what they want as fast as they can. They never liked him in the first place but recognized that he could be useful to them and their agenda. Once they use him, he will be left swinging in the breeze while they impeach his ass. He is as good as gone but it is just a matter of how long it takes to go through their bucket list. Then they usher Pence into the Oval Office to carry on. If I was writing a spy novel I might have come up with this plot, but the Repubs ....given the hand dealt to them, just made pragmatic decisions about how to proceed. You don't think they suddenly fell in love with that Wind Bag, tRump, do ya?

[Pacifist Patriot]

76. I have felt like I was living in a Ludlum novel for months

[justiceischeap]

88. Nope and if I was writing a spy novel

Melania would be a Russian spy/mole to collect intel on him.

[KittyWampus]

120. She's be the initial suspect but ultimately the diversion.

[calimary]

203. No. They didn't just suddenly fall in love with him. They're just being Machiavellian.

End justifies means.

Honor among thieves? NONE. They'd turn on their grandmas if they thought it would benefit them. That's already happening as they try to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.

[totodeinhere]

104. No, only the House can start impeachment proceedings. n/t

[Fiendish Thingy]

144. Impeachment must start in congress, the house specifically n/t

[Missn-Hitch]

7. Well, that just put a smile on my face. Cheers.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

8. I hope so!

[malaise]

9. K & R

Stocking up on snacks

[TrekLuver]

10. I read your post twice. I have felt this will happen for a long time. I only wish it would happen

quicker.

[regnaD kciN]

172. I only wish it had happened before the election!

[Warpy]

11. I was visiting my folks during Nixon's campaign

and a neighbor who worked for the FBI was over. My mother said "If Nixon gets in, we're going to see an impeachment." FBI guy in the next room, "Uh-huh, you will." He refused to elaborate, of course.

The cult of secrecy at the FBI has been going on far too long. While I can see not jeopardizing ongoing investigations, there are times they need to tell what they've got to prevent Nixons and Trumps from getting into office.

We're still facing the horrors of Nixon's drug war. Who knows what we'll face from this orange screaming asshole?

The FBI could have and should have prevented this.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

17. +infinity. To the power of infinity. n/t

[Sunny05]

19. thanks. nt

[tblue37]

22. Not to mention the deliberate undermining of peace talks so more Americans died in Vietnam. nt

[bdamomma]

35. hopefully there are canaries in

the FBI that will sing. I just remember how upset Maxine Waters was that one day when she dropped the mike.

[onetexan]

109. TOTALLY AGREE!! Problem is,

with Comey in charge that wasn't going to happen. Comey and a rogue group within the FBI are partisan and did what they did to ensure Hillary didn't win the election. As a result the bureau's credibility is shot. Comey and his comrades all need to be given the boot & tried for treason.

[Warpy]

113. Absolutely.

I don't disagree with a single word of your post.

[oasis]

13. Fasten your seat belts my friends.

[democrank]

14. I appreciate this information, pacifist Patriot.

I'm intrigued by your friend's Watergate comment and relieved to hear he believes the investigation will continue. Thanks again.

[Wellstone ruled]

15. These things move darn slow.

appears the Politics inside the FBI are at play. Old Class-mate said the same years ago. That was during the Bush years.

[NotThisTime]

18. I think there's a reason Vegas has his odds at last 6 months at 1 in 4...

Somebody knows something

[tblue37]

20. K&R for visibility! nt

[Sunny05]

21. Thank you! nt

[progree]

23. Tinkle tinkle little czar

[PatSeg]

40. I love, love, love this!!!

Brilliant!

[KewlKat]

138. this should be a full page ad........lol

[saidsimplesimon]

24. Not sure if I should

thank you or chastise reckless behaviour. Let the intelligence community speak for themselves.

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

― Benjamin Franklin

[octoberlib]

25. Comey was probably pressured by Giuliani and his friends.

Hours after Comey’s letter about the renewed probe was leaked on Friday, Giuliani went on a radio show and attributed the director’s surprise action to “the pressure of a group of FBI agents who don’t look at it politically.”

“The other rumor that I get is that there’s a kind of revolution going on inside the FBI about the original conclusion [not to charge Clinton] being completely unjustified and almost a slap in the face to the FBI’s integrity,” said Giuliani. “I know that from former agents. I know that even from a few active agents.”

Along with Giuliani’s other connections to New York FBI agents, his former law firm, then called Bracewell Giuliani, has long been general counsel to the FBI Agents Association (FBIAA), which represents 13,000 former and current agents. The group, born in the New York FBI office in the early ’80s, was headed until Monday by Rey Tariche, an agent who just retired from the New York FBI office. In Tariche’s letter to the Association stepping down as president because he's retiring from the Bureau to take a job "within the Banking Industry," he wrote that “we find our work—our integrity questioned” because of it, adding “we will not be used for political gains.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/03/meet-donald-trump-s-top-fbi-fanboy.html


This is great news!

[ffr]

29. And in so doing, Giuliani violated the law, as did those members of the FBI

who fed him information illegally...namely the October surprise that Rudy was busting at the seams to get out just days before Comey wrote the now famous October 28th letters to republican members of congress.

Election coup!

[bdamomma]

27. Yes thank you

just my thoughts: I think something big is going to come out, especially the CIA, I wouldn't mess around with them. And what about Congressman Cummings he said there was some news before chump got inaugurated where the hell is it?

[spanone]

28. K&R...

[PatSeg]

30. Wow

That is really reassuring. I've been trying to stay optimistic, but it is so hard when you don't know what is going on behind the scenes. This will give me some hope. Thank you so much.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

31. "Annie girl, this is going to make Watergate look like pocketing a candy bar at 7-Eleven."

Yep, it's got that Nixon/burglars vibe going on stronger with each passing day...

[radical noodle]

33. I truly hope this comes out before

they can do too much harm. At the rate they're going, I think things are going to go south pretty quickly.

[bdamomma]

37. me too

before they start a fucking war.............sigh

[gordianot]

34. Watergate well over 40 went to jail or were convicted.

Sometimes forgotten bigger than Watergate, and yes and much more than a botched burglary.

[bdamomma]

38. K&R

[mvd]

41. K&R!

I am convinced it will be so bad that even the Repuke Congress will have to impeach. And if they don't do their duty, Chump will still resign. If both Trump and Pence are implicated, we get Ryan, who is horrible. But the Repukes would be weak, and we should sweep the next elections. I was actually having anxiety attacks on Inauguration Day, so thinking about this makes me feel better.

[appleannie1943]

42. That is pretty much exactly what Dem members of Congress said. Think on this.

There has to be a reason Russia is having champagne salutes in celebration of Trump winning. They don't do that sort of thing unless it is bigger than just friendship between nations. They have been promised something.

[Vinca]

43. That gives me hope.

[procon]

45. This can't go public soon enough! nt

[brush]

130. Yep! I want to see trump, Conway, Spicer and all the other abettors perp walked.

[beachbum bob]

46. Friend stories in the FBI really are pointless

[GliderGuider]

50. They keep people's hopes up, at least.

In this situation it's far too easy to succumb to despair.

[Squinch]

54. I found it interesting and am glad it was posted.

[Pacifist Patriot]

61. Ok

[KittyWampus]

121. You're posts have always been even-keeled and you're not an "attention wh*re"

I've been here a long time and recognize a lot of user names. Anyone giving you a "cool story, bro" can go cram it.

[mnhtnbb]

47. Please, please this needs to come out soon. It takes no time to destroy things

that take years to create. And I'm not just talking about buildings.

We've seen a huge destruction in NC in the four years since Republicans seized control of the government
after gerrymandering districts. Actually, they'd done a damn good job of starting the destruction within two years.

I can only pray that Trump and Pence are both gone before the year is out and that Ryan or whoever takes over
is too frightened to do anything other than be a maintenance president until a new election is held.

[GliderGuider]

49. I hope everyone is being tight-lipped in order not to jeopardize things.

This needs to be an absolutely air-tight case. It is is the biggest thing that's happened to America at least since WWII, and the bag needs to be sewed up very tight. Going after a President is hunting very big game indeed. Leaks could jeopardize that and even allow guilty parties to wriggle free. If that recognition is why possible leakers have gone to radio silence, then I'm all for it. This is a case with serious global repercussions - the future of the world is obviously hanging in the balance.

Let's hope we're seeing a duck here: above the water nothing appears to be happening, while under the surface they're paddling like hell. I frankly can't imagine them doing anything else. I'd bet that out of public view Washington is boiling like a wasp nest that's been poked with a big stick.

[Squinch]

52. I'm thinking the same thing. I hope they take their time and make their case a sure thing.

[KittyWampus]

122. Chuch Schumer is looking tired this past week. And he's got experience staff.

[justiceischeap]

51. From Robert Reich on Facebook:

I had breakfast recently with a friend who's a former Republican member of Congress. Here's what he said:

Him: Trump is no Republican. He’s just a big fat ego.

Me: Then why didn’t you speak out against him during the campaign?

Him: You kidding? I was surrounded by Trump voters. I’d have been shot.

Me: So what now? What are your former Republican colleagues going to do?

Him (smirking): They’ll play along for a while.

Me: A while?

Him: They’ll get as much as they want – tax cuts galore, deregulation, military buildup, slash all those poverty programs, and then get to work on Social Security and Medicare – and blame him. And he’s such a fool he’ll want to take credit for everything.

Me: And then what?

Him (laughing): They like Pence.

Me: What do you mean?

Him: Pence is their guy. They all think Trump is out of his mind.

Me: So what?

Him: So the moment Trump does something really dumb – steps over the line – violates the law in a big stupid clumsy way … and you know he will ...

Me: They impeach him?

Him: You bet. They pull the trigger.

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1445206565491935

[Locrian]

56. exactly - it's all part of the plan

It won't affect the wholesale sell off and looting of the country. Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, etc - all will happen under the GOP and they'll have the perfect fall guy. And the US (both left and right) will be distracted by trump and his tweets.

[cstanleytech]

55. What sucks about watergate though is the Republicans were able to largely emerge unscathed and

I fear they will do so again.

[LeftInTX]

90. They lost the 1976 election, but came back in 1980 with a vengence.

[cstanleytech]

117. Exactly.

Mind you its not the party itself that needs to have its head cut off but rather the extremist nutjobs in it like Ryan, Trump, Rubio, Pence and many many others.

[KittyWampus]

123. Because Reagan traded arms for hostages.

[volstork]

143. All the more reason

for Dems to be on our guard. I'm afraid this is where Obama dropped the ball; everyone was crapped out with the republicans in 2008, but we Dems didn't take advantage of that in the way we should have, so had serious losses in the 2010 midterms. The next time, we need to show no quarter.

[Adrahil]

58. I hope your friend is right, but...

WE've been hearing for months that explosive evidence that will finish him for sure will be released imminently.

WTF are they waiting for!? This man is hurting us NOW.

Unless the the oligarchs really just wanna use Trumps to distract the public while they shove through their Ayn Rand inspiured agenda, and THEN they cut him loose to prove how "non partisan" they are.

[pnwmom]

59. I wonder if your friend was suggesting that the FBI would defy such an order.

Because this Guardian piece says the President could order a halt to any investigation.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/20/donald-trump-us-investigations-election-hacking

Once Trump takes the reins of power, however, he has the authority to stop all executive branch investigations.

[pnwmom]

69. I hope so! n/t

[KittyWampus]

125. My limited understanding is he could potentially scuttle investigations but it'd be known publically

and essentially be an admission of guilt.

ALSO- Malcolm Nance said this involves counter-intelligence/espionage. So the CIA will not stop. It involves foreign entities.

[orleans]

167. re cia -- wondering if that is why he went there yesterday

to suck up to them with that i love the cia and i always have speech he made--in the hopes that when he tells them to back down about all this they will because, in trump's twisted mind, they're all great friends now

[missingfink]

150. If true, why didn't Nixon halt the Watergate investigation?

nm

[pnwmom]

158. The short answer is that John Dean, the White House counsel,

began to cooperate with the Congressional Watergate investigation -- which was run by Democrat Sam Ervin -- rather than become a scapegoat himself.

The long answer is here:

http://www.authentichistory.com/1961-1974/6-nixon/3-watergate/timeline/

[regnaD kciN]

173. Remember, one of the big things about Watergate...

...was that both houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats. Meaning that both the House and Senate were able to set up investigations with subpoena power.

If Nixon had had the Congress Trump has, Watergate would still be little more than a footnote in history books. Once the initial news came out, Nixon would have (as he did initially) "regretfully accepted" the resignations of a few key White House officials while denying all knowledge of the break-in and that would have been the end of it.

[pnwmom]

178. Yes, that is the problem. Watergate is not much of a precedent. n/t

[SharonAnn]

183. He tried to. Remeber the Friday Night Massacre? Firing the Att. General, etc.?

[SticksnStones]

185. He tried ...remember the Saturday night massacre

When he tried to fire special prosecutor Archibald Cox in an attempt to control the watergate investigation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

When Cox issued a subpoena to President Nixon, asking for copies of taped conversations recorded in the Oval Office and authorized by Nixon, the President initially refused to comply. On Friday, October 19, 1973, Nixon offered what was later known as the Stennis Compromise—asking the infamously hard-of-hearing Senator John C. Stennis of Mississippi to review and summarize the tapes for the special prosecutor's office. Cox refused the compromise that same evening and it was believed that there would be a short rest in the legal maneuvering while government offices were closed for the weekend.

However, on the following day (a Saturday) Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.[4][5]

[KingCharlemagne]

227. And guess who finally fired Cox? None other than then-Solicitor General Robert Eichmann Bork - nt

[Farmgirl1961]

62. I sure hope so

I'm wondering if our next YUGE demonstration is to DEMAND the investigation in a nonpartisan manner. As much as we all dread Pence, we've got to get this madman OUT.

[UCmeNdc]

64. Trump is a traitor. They need to look at all of his underlings also.

Right now no one knows just what Trump actually did with the Russian spies. But that is the root of the problem. No one knows what he did or is doing.

[thesquanderer]

66. I worry about what Trump will do if he thinks the jig is up. (n/t)

[Pacifist Patriot]

68. Legitimate concern in my opinion.

Desperate people do desperate things.

[regnaD kciN]

175. That's the big thing...

Even if your friend's story is correct, and enough comes out that even a Republican-dominated House and Senate decide that it is in their political interest to cut bait and go with Pence...

...remember that one of the key moments during the last stages of the Watergate drama, as the House committee voted for impeachment and the release of the White House tapes made it certain that the Senate would convict, was that Chief of Staff Alexander Haig went secretly to the Joint Chiefs of the armed forces, and got their agreement that they would not follow any orders from their Commander-in-Chief to impose martial law, because Haig was convinced there was a real possibility Nixon would do so to keep himself in power.

Who would be Haig this time around? I doubt you'd find any in this administration.

[SunSeeker]

70. Wow

[Pacifist Patriot]

74. Yes and no. I think it just confirms...

What reps have intimated and we've suspected.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

75. if you pocket a candy bar at 7-Eleven while black,

You can wind up dead.

I thought of Michael Brown the instant I read that.

[Hekate]

77. The firehose goes drip drip drip before it gets turned on full blast. Thank you, PP

Despite the kvetching of some here, your friend shared something really important with us: Benedict Donald cannot order the investigation(s) to halt.

[Pacifist Patriot]

79. Oh he can order it.

It just won't stop some people from persisting anyway. LOL!

[Boomerproud]

91. You can call it kvetching, I call it rightly losing patience.

I stopped bookmarking "Trump is on his last legs" threads months ago. I'm not from Missouri but something being leaked to Rolling Stone or Mother Jones isn't going to cut it-and unless these folks get a move on and show some bravery-and smarts-soon we are going to reap hell if Trump and his cohorts are not stopped.

[Hekate]

94. As a fellow Boomer, you know this: apparently our work here is NOT done, but we do know how

I Can't Believe I Am Still Protesting This Shit, but there you have it. We know what to do as citizens, so let's get cracking.

Onward.

[WinkyDink]

99. Thank you. "Our work here is not done." We are the Protesting Generation; may we always tell

Truth to Power.

[calimary]

208. I saw several versions of that statement on posters at Saturday's L.A. Women's March.

Tried to post a photo of it here, but imgur.com has now changed. I don't know how to work it anymore.

Anybody know how? I've got tons of great photos I'd love to share here.

[JDC]

81. His supporters won't believe it

No matter what facts are presented. it will be interesting.

K&R

[Johnny2X2X]

84. About leaking the info

If there aren't leaks it's more serious and those that know thinks it's going to be prosecuted. If they thought it would get swept under the rug they would leak.

This is scary, once Trump is really in trouble he would do anything to stay in powe, anything!!! I have zero doubt Trump would kill millions of Americans to stay in power.

[totodeinhere]

102. A sitting president cannot be prosecuted. The only recourse would be impeachment which

would put right wing ideologue Mike Pence in office. I am not optimistic.

[leftieNanner]

115. I disagree

My understanding is that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted for anything he/she does IN OFFICE, but anything prior to taking the oath is fair game. I googled it!

[Buns_of_Fire]

190. Either way, it would be "Lets Make a Deal" time.

(We know how much Trumpsky LOVES making deals!)

Okay, so here it is: Maybe we can prosecute you as a sitting president, maybe not. But if you choose to serve out your term, we'll be waiting for you the moment your successor is sworn in, be it four years or eight. OR you can resign now, go about your business, and we'll forget about this unpleasant situation.

Make him an offer he can't refuse.

[leftieNanner]

229. I like it!

As long as you say that last line with a Godfather accent.

[HoneyBadger]

87. What does he think of Comey?

[True Dough]

168. Today's televised interaction between the two was interesting

Donald called upon Comey at the White House and gave him an enthusiastic handshake and a pat on the back. Both smiled. But Trump said, "He's become more famous than me." That made me wonder if Trump resents someone casting a shadow on him. Don the Con always wants to be the center of attention, after all he has the biggest ego in the room.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-james-comey-air-kiss_us_58857527e4b096b4a232b942

[tblue37]

174. More than a handshake and back pat! He blew Comey a kiss (!) and then

seemed to kiss his cheek or whisper something in his ear. It was a very lovey-dovey sort of greeting.

[gwheezie]

89. I doubt it

Trump already has his people in agencies & plans to purge the remainders. By the time patriots get around to it they'll be gone. He got elected because the FBI helped him.

[Rustyeye77]

92. Kick

[mrs_p]

93. I needed a pick me up

You've given me a little hope.

[Stellar]

98. Whoa!

[HockeyMom]

100. I really think Trump will be Impeached and Removed from Office

Republicans in Congress will betray him. After all, then they will have President Pence, one of them, and still control Congress. The Religious Right will support Pence. Win/Win for Establishment Republicans.

[progree]

103. Golden showers bring...

[totodeinhere]

106. Your scenario would not be a win for us. Yes, it would be gratifying to see Trump

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destroyed, but Pence is a hard right ideologue and would in many ways be worse than Trump.

[regnaD kciN]

176. The only advantage with Pence...

...is that he doesn't have Trump's populist (and pop-culture) appeal. I can't see working-class voters in rust-belt states turning out en masse for him in 2020 the way they did this time around.

[smirkymonkey]

188. I agree. I don't think there is any way Pence would win a second term.

Fortunately.

[totodeinhere]

211. Perhaps, but many of us myself included didn't think that there was any way Trump would

win either. In politics you never know.

[Rustyeye77]

220. Gee... what a choice.

[YOHABLO]

111. I tell you what, they go after Medicare and SSecurity, you want to see a march?

[pnwest]

112. Cool story, bro

At this point, I don't buy it anymore. We've heard it too much that some earth-shattering, shocking news that's worse than Watergate is about to bust wide open at any second. I don't believe it anymore...heard "WOLF!" once too often. I'd love to be proven wrong.

[pnwest]

140. :) sis :)

[The Wizard]

114. Punishment should be mandatory for

helping a fascist tyrant seize power.

[Maru Kitteh]

116. The sooner the BETTER.

Pence is an evil fuckwit, but he's containable, and has all the appeal/charisma of a bag of wet cardboard. He was destined to lose reelection in his own state.

[SharonAnn]

187. The sooner the better. Then the destruction will obviously from the GOP establishment

and they won't be able to blame it on that "loose cannon", Trump.

The destruction is being lined up anyway, and will be easier to defeat charisma challenged Pence.

[Itchinjim]

118. Fitzmas.

[Tiggeroshii]

124. Does it have to coincide with christmas?

I dont think we can wait that long!

[regnaD kciN]

177. Some here have long memories...

[Achilleaze]

128. Freaking Republicans selling America out to the Russians

[kimbutgar]

129. What if it comes out there was irrefutable evidence that the election was hacked in his favor?

Will we have a constitutional crisis or will Pence become PRsident. Because Pence would also be illegitimate and tarnished.

[MadDAsHell]

131. Bookmarked with hope. Most of these threads never pan out and noone ever comes back & explains why.

Heard the same for the 8 years of Shrub. Would like to see one of these teaser posts actually come to fruition for once.

[triron]

132. yeah Trump et al

conspired with the Russians to steal the election.
Treason!!!

[triron]

133. kick for visibility

[Stuart G]

139. The time to go public will be very clear..I believe it is not the time.

If it is true shocker, it needs to be timed perfectly. ....and it will be....

We found out about the taping of all conversations during the Watergate scandal when we did....
and............it was a game change,...Nixon resigned....

We will find out about this...when it will be.....and it will be a game changer also....

[Pacifist Patriot]

149. I agree

My friend's comments don't reveal anything we don't already know or suspect. I too think this will unravel over time.

[AngryAmish]

142. I will wait 48 business hours.

[AngryAmish]

153. Because I am drunk and watching the hockey game.

Lightn up,eh.

[uponit7771]

160. Come on, you know we WANT it to mean something like Benedict Donald going to jail and living

... in a cell with some bald headed built Mexican who hates Nazis and shit.

We can all dream no?

[True Dough]

170. Don't take any of it personally, Annie

There are many people here who are just so eager to see Drumpf get his comeuppance. Some are wishfully hoping Don the Con will be brought down tomorrow but it will unfold in its own time. I'll relish that day, whenever it is.

Thanks!

[Rustyeye77]

196. So you figure in the next week ?

works for me...cant wait.

[yurbud]

145. before W got out of bed on a Sunday, the Baby Bush admin made Watergate look like stealing candy

So this must be pretty big.

[Fiendish Thingy]

146. Just remember, Watergate took over two years to unfold

Things happen faster nowadays, but perhaps your friend at the FBI and his colleagues will need plenty of time to work under Comey's radar, crafting an unignorable body of evidence.

Remember that Deep Throat turned out to be a top FBI guy...

Of course, with the NSA and the rest of the surveillance state able to keep tabs on the press, congress and the FBI, and threaten/blackmail them into silence, all bets are off. It may take a hero/heroes willing to risk their careers, freedom or even lives for impeachment to have a chance.

[IronLionZion]

147. I remember stories like this about W too

[Pacifist Patriot]

151. Yep

I won't believe anything until I see it. Don't doubt that it's big and bad. But given the country's track record of late, I have my doubts about anyone being held accountable.

[keepthemhonestO]

152. and

we all had that gut feeling based on info that keeps coming to confirm it.

Thanks for that juicy tidbit

[blue-wave]

159. WOW!

If this is "going to make Watergate look like pocketing a candy bar at 7-Eleven." we are in for one wild eye-opening show.

[triron]

162. here's hoping

[Rustyeye77]

219. same here

[csziggy]

161. Put that together with this blog post and we've got some deep stuff happening

This was posted as an OP by a DUer - but I've misplaced that post. Plus I will quote difference parts than the other post did:

Dear Mr. Putin, Let’s Play Chess
January 17, 2017 ~ patribotics
PART ONE: PAWN TAKES QUEEN

I have an overarching theory of Russia’s attack on America and the West. Here it is.

There have not been a series of attacks on America and Europe by Vladimir Putin. There has been one single operation; it is the same operation.

By 2008, possibly even earlier, according to John Schindler, a National Security expert formerly at the NSA, Russia had placed moles in the highest levels of US counter-intelligence. I take this as my starting-point, because all the subsequent facts bear it out.

<SNIP>

Russian moles placed inside the NSA recruited Edward Snowden. A letter between the FSB in Cuba and SENAIN in Quito held in a file marked ‘Assange’ in London, dated 4th April 2013, the day before Snowden sent his only email on legalities, April 5th 2013, and before Snowden took his uppermost level documents during the rest of the month of April, proves conclusively that Mr. Snowden is a Russian agent who acted on instructions from Moscow. After Snowden fled to Hong Kong, he escaped from there by an Ecuadorean travel document arranged by Julian Assange, and tried to get to Cuba.

https://patribotics.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/dear-mr-putin-lets-play-chess-louise-mensch-trump-russia/

All three parts of her theory are there - and it is chilling.

[SharonAnn]

186. Love this article. Don't know if true, but very plausible and fascinating.

[elleng]

163. We can't wait, Annie girl!

[PatrickforO]

164. You know, I'm glad you posted this. I hope your friend is OK and

that what he said is true - it is a truly wonderful thing to be able to believe that justice will actually prevail. I know that sounds strange, or maybe not. I suspect some of you know what I'm saying.

But...this new Trump presidency is so God-awful that it just seems so WRONG.

[ecstatic]

169. If tRumP is removed, Pence should not be able to waltz in to the White House.

Hillary Clinton won 3 million more votes without cheating. We can't let it go down like this.

[Botany]

189. God only knows how many more votes and E.C. votes she would have had w/out .....

.... the Trump working with the Russians, Comey and the NYFBI, electronic
vote machines and tabulators, unneeded and unending investigations into
nothing as per HRC, a shit ass media (NY Times I'm looking at you .... you
knew the story about Comey/Russia/Trump/Manfort/Putin prior to the election
but didn't say word one but you did plenty on Hillary's emails and Comey's
lies), and cross check.

[drm604]

181. Here's what I've been thinking.

Even if Trump does manage to stop investigations by domestic agencies, foreign agencies like MI5 and others will continue working on it. No doubt there has been some sharing of information with other countries. Hopefully some person or persons in the US saw the writing on the wall and shared everything with at least the British before Trump took office.

Foreign agencies would have no legal power here but they may be able to create a shit storm of publicity with their findings and put the Republicans in a very awkward position.

Watch for attempts to discredit foreign intelligence agencies with false leaks which will then be "disproved" by "clever" bloggers like was done to Dan Rather.

[Blue_Tires]

184. EPIC KICK

[California_Republic]

191. I want to believe.... but remember Fritzmas? Nt

[cbdo2007]

195. I would think if this was true, the GOP would already be in CYA mode...

but McCain is now voting for Tillerson and Rubio.

I know the House and Senate GOP don't believe the same things we do, but they are career politicians who would know the implications of aligning themselves with Trump and some of these horrible decisions and cabinet picks and suck, that I couldn't imagine them going along with all of this.

I want to believe as much as the next person but we've been hearing these theories for months and still nothing that's truly going to bring down Trump/Pence.

[Roy Rolling]

198. "Annie girl, this is going to make Watergate look like pocketing a candy bar at 7-Eleven"

One of those phrases that legends are made of.

[Liberal In Red State]

202. This is all BULL! Notice how nothing has changed. GOP are not backing away from Grabber-in-Chief.

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They are going after everything they can get. None are afraid of being tainted by this guy. And if the FBI and CIA had anything on him . . . why did they stand by and let him take office, gain access to the secrets of this country and the nuclear codes? Here we go again, we liberals constantly fall for this type of "HOPE" . . . It's coming . . . He'll get his . . . They will be exposed and thrown out of office. Nothing is going to happen. The press is afraid to call a lie a lie. Congress is going to undo 50 years of progress, the Supreme Court will at the very best be divided for the next 20 years, and his voters are going to grow bolder and more brazen. He doesn't care, his family doesn't care, and businesses don't care. Every day, every hour of his presidency sees more and more progress rolled back and nothing is being done to stop it. He brazenly kissed his enable Commie Comey in front of the media and nothing happened. There is not even a hint of "maybe we shouldn't be so public with our collusion". They are laughing at the liberals and their leaders. They are daring them to try and stop them. And what are we doing? What if the CIA and the FBI don't go public with what they know? What if they don't prosecute him? When the likes of McCain vote in favor of his appointments knowing full well this orange ass has colluded with a foreign government to gain the Whitehouse and still support his picks!!!??!!??!! What makes you think anything will stop him? At best this will be a protracted 4 year battle to remove him and how are we going to call for impeachment hearings when we don't control Congress? And because of gerrymandering we have no hope of gaining in midterms? Yeah I am completely without HOPE and want to know why President Obama didn't do something to keep this menace from taking over. Much of this was known by the DNC before the election. George Will surmised in a published article that he was indebt to the Russian Oligarchs! Why didn't the party demand his tax returns? Why didn't they make hay out his ties to Putin? Why did the GOP candidates not press this issue with him during the primaries? What is making people stand down from confronting him? Someone knows something . . . But there is no guarantee that we the American People will ever get to know the truth. In the meantime this Grabber-in-Chief is taking a sledge hammer to what accomplishments the left has made not just during Obama's presidency but all things liberal since the 1950s!

[Jim Beard]

206. Once they get his income tax, he will resign.

[Rustyeye77]

230. He will fight that...

but hopefully he will lose.

[LiberalLovinLug]

209. Didn't we learn there a rogue element within FBI?

That may have pressured Comey? They aren't going away. There is a very partisan force within the FBI that is in cahoots with the new Fuhrer, and I'm sure would do their best to scuttle any investigation, both this one and any future crimes he will no doubt commit against America.

[red dog 1]

210. K&R

I hope your friend is right re: "it won't stop investigative activity."

[lisa58]

212. Question...

...did you ask about the FBI in New York and Guiliani's connection with them?

[Pacifist Patriot]

213. I had a lot of questions he refused to answer.

Got a lot of this

[lisa58]

215. Understood...just that...

....I know someone who knows a former FBI in NY and they HATE Clinton. Whether they have legitimate reasons to or are just that conservative and like Guiliani - I have no idea. Can you tell me what part of the country your friend is assigned?

[GreenEyedLefty]

214. Information is a card you keep up your sleeve

And you play it at the right time.

Patience.

[Rustyeye77]

216. tell your friend we are all waiting.

[itcfish]

217. Question: If the FBI and Russia

Helped Chump and Pence win the election and Chump is impeached, shouldn't Pence also get impeached?

[Pacifist Patriot]

218. I have been wondering the same thing.

Probably also comes down to what did he know and when did he know it.

[bathroommonkey76]

225. Then we'd have POTUS Paul Ryan.

Link to tweet

[Rustyeye77]

231. Gee... who's worse ?

[KingCharlemagne]

228. Why would your friend necessarily know any more than any of us? Is he

Involved in the Trump-Russia probe? Maybe he was just trying to impress you by playing to your prejudice?

[Rustyeye77]

232. kick

[trueblue2007]

233. IS THIS THREAD STILL RELEVANT ???

kick