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A couple of recent posts on Facebook have sparked outrage on the part of some, arguing that mocking Barron Drumpf is beyond the pale.
The first was a meme I remember from my own adolescence (some decades ago), regarding nude photos of one's mother. The meme was posted in response to a GIF where the First Kid did not give a high five to his mother during inauguration ceremonies.
The other is a Change.org petition aimed at NBC/Bombast over something Tweeted by a cast member of SNL.
I have yet to weigh in on either discussion.
Some would argue "sauce for the goose" -- i.e. attacks against Chelsea Clinton, the Obama girls and even the Bush daughters did not prompt such outrage while their respective dads were in office -- so Barron is fair game.
Others argue that children -- including and especially those of public figures -- should be shielded from ridicule and even "bullying" in social media.
Your thoughts, please!
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)the Obama girls. I say leave the child alone. Now as for his siblings, the children of the corn, they are knee deep into this administration so they should be held accountable like the Con.
avebury
(10,946 posts)to have a tough time being related to Comrade Trump and the Children of the Corn.
renate
(13,776 posts)I think she should be left alone too.
struggle4progress
(118,032 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,079 posts)yewberry
(6,530 posts)The fact that they mocked Amy Carter, Chelsea Clinton, and the Obama daughters doesn't make it right. Barron Trump might be many things, but none of those things are his doing. Ten-year-olds do not deserve cruelty because of who their parents are.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Wiseman32218
(291 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)His mother had her lawyer release a statement saying that Barron does NOT have autism. People still keep spreading the gossip and bullying, though.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)liberal N proud
(60,298 posts)But even as twump mocks handicap people, I will not stoop that low.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)then he will deserve the scorn they deserve, but not now.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)For one thing, his father will most likely not be alive by the time he reaches his brothers' age.
Demit
(11,238 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts).. research with her son as her raison d'etre? Entirely legitimate.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)The video of him being used to imply that was taken very late at night while listening to political speeches. The kid was tired, bored and in bright lights. Seeing this idiotic rumor spread on here is disgusting and people need to fucking STOP IT!
As the parent of a child who really DOES have disabilities I find this armchair diagnosing to be beneath contempt.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Because your armchair diagnosis that there is nothing wrong does the exact same thing.
Oh, and as the Carrier of the Fragile X gene and it being THE reason I decided not to have children, um, yeah, I am aware of children with disabilities in my family.
Nice try. No dice.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)She would know that information better than those speculating. His mother has made it very clear that this speculation is unwelcome and hurtful and has caused bullying.
If that is not enough to make you STOP then you really had ought to re-evaluate your motivation.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Practice what you preach
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Anyone spreading rumors about a child is a bully.
Armchair diagnosing a child is spreading rumors.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Mad? Get mad. Stay mad. Not my words.
Please stop armchair diagnosing this boy. You make this attempt to have it both ways, and I don't think you even realize that YOU are the one ultimately being hurtful to the special needs community.
Your insistence upon armchair diagnosing there is nothing wrong is hypocritical to a large degree...and then your demanding that this is bullying implies there is something wrong with special needs people.
It's gross. Please stop it.
melman
(7,681 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,469 posts)is number one asshole.
Do you really want to be number 2?
Leave the kid and speculation about the kid alone! Good god!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,146 posts)"YOU are the one ultimately being hurtful to the special needs community"
What a hurtful, self-righteous, evidence-free, load of bullshit attack on a fellow DUer.
moriah
(8,311 posts)It's trying to assign a diagnosis to someone when you have no personal knowledge. "Normal" is NOT an armchair diagnosis, unless people actually close to the person are saying they *do* have a medical problem or a disability and you're suggesting it's fake. And in this case his mother, proven liar or not, says he doesn't have autism.
And I, too, have immediate family with disabilities including autism itself. So don't go all "You don't know about it" on me, either.
Practice what YOU preach.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)should have no association to autism, the reality is different, and what's out in the world could almost certainly enter into the child's space and cause harm.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)The same few people keep repeating the same falsehoods on this site, even after people have pointed out that what they are saying is not true. They bring up some random facebook page with offensive things posted on it that is obviously not the child's page. But you have to wonder...why on earth would an ADULT go searching for a 10 year old child online? Everyone knows those videos of that boy they are using as "evidence" were taken very late at night when any kid would be rubbing their eyes and be tired. No 10 year old is interested in political speeches...it's boring to them.
So now we have people here who believe they are entitled to know everything about this child, including his private medical history. It's very disturbing. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone having a disbility. I am the mother of a child with disabilities. There IS something seriously wrong with gossiping and spreading rumors about a kid that the person does not even know. It's mean spirited and there is NEVER an honorable intent when someone does that. After having been the target of someone who uses "concern" as a way to sabotage, smear and undermine and spread hateful, false and viscous gossip...I can spot that crap a mile away. This is done by someone who wants to come across as being innocent of being nasty and mean while still going after someone in a sneaky way. It's disgusting. That's why I'm sticking up for Barron. I would do the same for the child of anyone here if they were being targeted in the same way. It's unacceptable.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)to Amy Carter and Chealsea. The whole RW media did it, and with the the Obama girls too. Their faces and scandals and photos were on the cover of the great bastion, The National Enquier. Howard Stern also did.
Even with Sarah Palin's kids, it was the lowest denigrating, and I can't stand S Palin. It must have been the most boring 3 days for a 10 year old. His father has not seemed to have much to do with him, and he probably doesn't even know his father . If when kids grow up and inset themselves in the political process, like Ivanka, Jared, Thing 1 and Thing 2, it is then a different story . They have jumped in the fray, and all is fair Gane.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)for a multitude of reasons, number one being that it is unkind and impolite to mention a person's (possible) disability until you have been told by that person or her parents that she is disabled. For argument's sake, say the child does have autism. Does anyone really think that parents with high visibility and plenty of money wouldn't be dealing with it as they see fit? If a First Lady wants to take on a cause, that's up to her. We can suggest causes, sure, but not causes we think she should espouse because we think the cause affects her family, when she has not indicated that it does.
Number two being that labeling a kid without any--repeat *any* access to medical or psychological information--with a serious disorder (which the mother has denied he has) just because the kid is in the public spotlight is beyond unkind and impolite--it's unfeeling, bullying and cruel.
And yes, I think Barron is off-limits. Tiffany, no, but Barron, yes.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)My child was diagnosed with more than one disability around the same age. It was difficult enough for her to understand and adjust to without everyone else knowing. I saw her self esteem go from very high and her being a happy child to falling apart...even with everything being private. She eventually shared her disabilities with friends and classmates...on HER terms, when SHE was ready. There has still been bullying and immense pain, including additional depression and anxiety because of those disabilities.
That poor kid is going to deal with enough simply because of who his father is and the BS he will be exposed to. The LAST thing he needs is to search his name online and read some of the bullshit posted about him. Until people have been scared that your own child will end their life over bullying you don't understand. I've been there and I will NOT sit back and watch this nonsense without speaking up.
The people on this thread who think it's OK to say shit about Barron Trump are disgusting and if they said this shit around me in person I'd punch them right in their big, obnoxious, hateful mouths. Kids are OFF LIMITS, no exceptions.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)and ironically I have the opposite problem. My child looks perfect; she is beautiful and smiling and walks well. People who don't know her speak to her and are very surprised when they get babble and drool back.
I'm very sorry that your daughter and your family had to go through this.
What astounds me about people posting shit about Barron is the same thing that astounded me by the people I know when our daughter's disability was first diagnosed. Do people not understand that we all are doing the very best we can for our kids? That we know far more about our child and her disability than they do? That we seek out the best medical guidance for how to treat our child? Given the Trumps' resources it's insane to suggest that if their son had a disability they wouldn't do anything about it. And that what they do or do not do about their minor child's health is none of our fucking business.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)My daughter's disabilities are not obvious. By that I mean that even though she has symptoms that are very obvious, most people don't realize she cannot help those symptoms. A couple of relatives actually implied to her that they didn't think she had the things she was diagnosed with. That was very hurtful because it made her feel ashamed and confused and it undermined me as her parent.
I'm really shocked the way some people think it's OK to gossip and speculate about a child. It's not like Trump hasn't given everyone plenty of things to attack him over. The boys mom says he doesn't have autism. She would know best. Anything he does or does not have has absolutely no bearing on my life or anything of importance to this country.
I really wish the admins would ban this subject once and for all. It's not OK and it makes the site look very bad for allowing it.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I am quite serious about this.
I understand that you have a child with a disability. I have a VERY close friend who has met Barron on a couple occasions.
Said friend has a Trump grandchild in his class.
I ask you to please not dismiss that Barron may very be autistic.
My nephew is autistic. Autism should not be dismissed.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)So, unless you are a licensed medical professional who has examined him and have access to his medical history then you are NOT qualified to diagnose anyone.
The family says he is NOT autistic, so unless someone provides PROOF that he is then the subject is closed. Barron is NOT autistic.
I don't give a rat's ass what friend of a friend of a friend knows whose grandchild in passing.
Leave the kid ALONE.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)and you are just being a really mean person.
What I know, I will not present because I respect the people I know.
I diagnosed nothing. I also never said my friend was a friend, so chill out and stop being a jerk.
We agree, leave the kid alone. Why do you think its ok to talk to me is such a shitty manner?
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)This law firm represents First Lady-elect Melania Trump and her 10-year-old son, Barron Trump. A video was posted at YouTube recently speculating that Barron might be autistic. He is not. The video includes the hashtag StopTheBullying but yet the video itself is bullying by making false statements and speculation about a 10-year old boy for the purpose of harassing him and his parents. The online bullying of children, including Barron Trump, should end now.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8383175/melania-trump-barron-trump-video-lawsuit/
Mean people spread gossip about 10 year old children.
I'm defending an innocent child from bullying. Gossiping IS bullying. Stop it. The family has made an official statement that Barron is not autistic so stop insisting that he is...unless you provide a medical license and proof you are his doctor.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Get it straight and STOP accusing me of something I never said.
Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote and sit down.
Seriously, sit down.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,063 posts)If he's under 18
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)are not attacking him.
Only an assh*le would think being autistic was bad.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)That are extremely HURTFUL to a child. My child was about his age when diagnosed with several disabilities. She immediately became depressed, got picked on, her self esteem went into the toilet and she has gone through periods of being suicidal over the past 7 years.
Fucking leave the kid ALONE....NOW.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)You are entitled to your opinion as are the other parents I've seen commenting in a few places. NONE of whom are 'attacking' Barron.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)There, mystery solved. Now you can stop with the armchair diagnosing of people you don't even know.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)What did a 10 year old child do to you?
ANYONE who refuses to leave a child alone is just as bad as Trump.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)I am asking the relevant question as to whether he is or is not a special needs child. If he is, I do feel that we have a right to know.
Actually, if he isn't, I feel the same way.
But Mama's a liar, and we both know it, so...
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Stop it.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Stop it.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)And stop bringing an innocent child into it. He's not your business.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)It is *dangerous* for you to imply that nothing is wrong with him.
please stop it
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Otherwise you are in no position to know anything about his medical history and need to stfu.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Just stop
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)They need to just let it go and leave him alone.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)...in D.C., security be damned. They were capable of going on self-righteously for days about it. (In the end it turned out they were among those who hated everything about President Obama anyway, because he threw us all under the bus. Go figure.)
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)It seems that I see that kind of stuff coming from people who don't have children. Sometimes this place really makes me shake my head as much as I shake it from stuff I see on the other side, lol.
Dorian Gray
(13,469 posts)Leave the kid alone!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I see nothing wrong wth it. My daughter is wonderful and funny. I'm sure Barron is awesome as well.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)SNL used to go after the blind governor of NY for his disability. It had nothing to do with his ability to work. He was a person of color and a great example. I am sure that blind people were offended. But he was an adult, so was fine.
But even SNL would never go after a blind kid.
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=XKNNVVJM6aQ
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Because apparently the person who wrote it thought better of it.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)weren't really interested - don't ask the question.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)to pretend they have a valid point by dredging up a singular example. That was deleted.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)To imply, even sarcastically, that someone is as unbalanced/unpredictable/violent as the Columbine killers is abhorrent. Do you think he, or his friends, didn't get wind of that tweet?
Deleting stupid shit after it's been blasted all over the planet isn't good enough. People need to think BEFORE they do stupid shit.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)Why you'd make excuses for this sort of abhorrent behavior - even a singular event - I find troubling.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)madaboutharry
(40,148 posts)It is not his fault his father is a lying corrupt psychopath.
JI7
(89,172 posts)hypocrites and trying to make it as if it 's some huge thing that is happening when that is not the case.
Sunny05
(865 posts)And one complaint I've seen (about ppl supposedly being negative toward this child) seemed to be accusing those who speak up for others' rights but not caring about Barron's rights. I know of NO such cases.
But my other cmment somewhere in this thread is in context of actual negatives said about him -- if, in fact, those things have been said.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)I err on the side of good personally.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)page. His own father or Bannon is using him for political reasons. Which is disgusting.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Leave.him.alone
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)bullsh*t.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Implying that he created a facebook page with hate posts and insinuating he's autistic. Why do you even need to mention him? What the hell did that kid do to you?
Just stop talking about him and focus on something that doesn't make you look like a jerk.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)complaining about Barron getting attacked when I haven't seen any of it.
The OP is incredibly vague. And the OP'er has curiously disappeared.
And please stop mischaracterizing what I post here.
Open your eyes, the OP'er posts vague rightwing bullsh*t about Democrats attacking Barron and then leaves.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Everyone is only asking to not criticize one.
Kingofalldems
(38,359 posts)And the poster you responded to didn't either. So what the hell are you talking about? Don't like your insinuation.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Or we are no better than them.
underpants
(182,271 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)His choice of lunch box or his favorite super hero?
People need to get a life. Attacking children is for losers.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)The fact that any adults even consider in engaging in such disgusting behavior puts them on the same level as Trump, imo.
I think the site should not only make that kind of thing off limits, but also a ban-worthy offense.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)I would say that's an impossible task..
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Community standard at DU is to leave the kids of politicians alone until they are adults. I am glad for that.
As for Barron's health, someone here actually said we have the right to know. We have no such right. He and his mother have the right to privacy.
However, I have appreciated the comments by DUers who have kids on the autism spectrum, but only because it is helping to provide some possible context for his affect and Melania's ultra-protective stance regarding keeping him in a familiar setting. If the speculations are true, imagine the life she leads with Barron's dad the "ubermensch."
DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 23, 2017, 11:39 AM - Edit history (2)
Barron is a minor; he's underaged.
Johnny2X2X
(18,731 posts)He's 10 now. Off limits. But when Trump children turn 12 they each hunt and kill their own unarmed homeless minority, after that he's said game.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Is there REALLY any controversy about this?
Leave the poor kid alone. He may be the only member of that frightening family I actually feel sorry for.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)no_hypocrisy
(45,770 posts)I'm not going to add to his misery even vicariously.
Dorian Gray
(13,469 posts)the poor kid alone. He didn't choose any of this.
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)He didn't ask for any of this. If he is autistic, we need to give him some extra space. I think all of the past first children would agree with that. Now the adult children who are involved in their father's administration are fair game. They put themselves in the game.
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)when it comes to kids and what happened before is that I'm better than that.
I won't mock kids, no matter who's spawn they are. They all have potential to be better than the scumbags that created them.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)about whether or not any children have any disabilities. That's fake concern used as a way to act like they are not attacking/bullying him.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)kids discussing the possibility in an entirely empathetic, caring way. For you to label what other parents with autistic kids express as "fake concern" is completely inappropriate.
And having Kennedy with his bogus "vaccines cause autism" go and visit Trump is sort of curious.
You need to understand that having a disability or being on the spectrum isn't bad nor a character defect.
Furthermore, Trump's Cabinet picks and his policies will hurt autistic children in the near future.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)to speculate about an innocent 10 year old child whose mother has publicly stated the kid is NOT autistic and that he is being bullied over the damn ignorant rumors.
Again...WHY do you feel compelled to talk about a 10 year old child when his mother has publicly requested to STOP? You know it is UNWELCOME yet you persist. Why? What are you getting from this? Why do you believe it is OK to spread lies and rumors that are hurtful to an innocent child?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)you'd start wondering why the OP'er posts this rightwing meme with no proof it's actually happening to any significant degree.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)There is plenty of things to go after Trump for without using his child. You don't even need to mention him yet you persist. Why? Why can't you just keep that little boy out of it?
Leave the kid alone.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)because there is no real evidence that anyone is really asking about Barron Trump being special needs.
At least, not really from our side, anyway.
Much like black bloc agitators, this shit stirring is what some on the right resort to try and put us on the defensive.
*MY* position is that I have a right to know. He is now the First Son of the USA. It's OUR business now. And not *just* because I have a right ot know either, but because this could be genetic, and a telling precursor to our President's health.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)He is not your business.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 22, 2017, 11:45 PM - Edit history (1)
He is the 1st child of the USA and he is indeed our business now.
mythology
(9,527 posts)A 10 year old kid will have no influence on policy.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)And NO, he is not any of your business.
By virtue of what law does a 10-year-old lose his right to privacy? By virtue of what law do the children of presidents and their spouses cease to be in the sole care/control of their parents and become YOUR business, or the business of the country?
Barron Trump is not an heir to the presidency, nor any other public office. The US is is not a medieval kingdom where the welfare of a future monarch is of concern to the masses because he is expected to ascend to the throne.
Your insistence that you have a RIGHT to know anything about him is, quite frankly, rather disturbing.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Well said.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)about Malia and Sasha Obama was "our business?" Did we have a "right to know" when they got their first periods? Or anything else?? Of course not!
This kid didn't ask for any of this, and has no choice about being part of it.
Stop speculating. Leave him alone.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Greybnk48
(10,147 posts)Uday, Qusay, and "Candy," are fair game.
Fritz Walter
(4,281 posts)I'm not familiar with that nickname.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)about how Democrats are attacking Barron, how about posting a few actual examples.
Fritz Walter
(4,281 posts)No need to post a link here. (It was a right wing acquaintance who posted it on FB; I just scrolled by without liking or commenting).
The meme was drawing considerable heat from others without my help, so I likewise ignored it.
Glad to see such solidarity on a moral high ground here.
"When they go low..."
Greybnk48
(10,147 posts)about a girl who has sex with her daddy, among others. In Candy's defense, she has sex with her dad by accident. It's actually really funny, or I used to think so. It would probably offend me now, but I hope not.
Raine
(30,540 posts)I know their side probably deserves it but the little boy doesn't and I myself can't and won't do it. The adult animal murderers Don Jr. & Eric are fair game though IMO.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)LynnTTT
(362 posts)Always
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)If he becomes one, let it be his parents' fault.
nolabear
(41,915 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)gordianot
(15,226 posts)frogmarch
(12,144 posts)Adelante
(28,394 posts)Why any adult would want to pick on a child is something I don't understand and would never condone.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)as Dems, we have plenty other issues that we should be worrying about..this is why we stay losing..
SMC22307
(8,088 posts)Leave the kid alone.
manicraven
(901 posts)limited (if any) influence, and can't help who they were born to, etc. Adult children who are meddling are not off limits.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)and I sort of feel like I have a right to know
You don't have a right to know.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)trixie2
(905 posts)That is some sick talk about a child.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)He is a minor, and the child of his parents. Your declaration that a 10-year-old child is somehow a public figure is beyond ludicrous.
Since when is any child a "public figure" by virtue of who their parents are? You don't have any right whatsoever to know anything about this child - and I am utterly astounded that anyone would make such an argument.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)True Dough
(17,090 posts)There are lines of civility that have to be drawn. Unfortunately a few DUers are so hell bent on Trump's downfall that they have convinced themselves that anything or anyone is fair game. This argument that a 10 year old is fair game because he's a public figure is beyond the pale.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)It's absolutely disgusting the way a few people on this site feel so compelled to go after a little kid. They should worry about their own issues and leave that kid alone.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)YOU are not qualified to decide whether a 10-yr-old child has a "mental incapacity", nor do you have any right to know.
This is a human being we're discussing here - a minor child; he is NOT your guinea pig to be used to educate you or anyone else about anything.
You "sort of feel like you have a right to know"? To know exactly WHAT, and on what basis? Is Barron Trump about to dictate foreign policy, or influence domestic legislation? If not, you have NO BUSINESS knowing anything about him.
Jesus Hussein Christ - I can't believe this is actually being discussed in terms of "I have a right to know" where a ten-year-old child is at - mentally, emotionally, intellectually - because it might serve as a "teaching moment".
If you are in need of a "teaching moment", you might want to educate yourself as to where your "rights" end and where someone else's right to privacy begins.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)that is all
TDale313
(7,820 posts)And this is a child who should be off limits. And frankly I find your attitude all kinds of fucked up. Bullying is not ok because he happens to be related to an asshole.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)You have ZERO rights to know ANYTHING about this child.
Leave him the fuck alone.
doc03
(35,143 posts)say anything about Barron. Now Uday and Kusay are fair game.
LeftInTX
(24,541 posts)Going after Barron is a waste of time.
If Trump is being thin skinned about others going after Barron, then that is his issue.
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Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Leave the kid out of it.
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trixie2
(905 posts)I won't even address your opinion of a child.
Children in general will often grow to believe what they are taught at home but some go against the grain and think for themselves. How many people on this board were brought up in a Republican household and made a sharp turn to the left? On the other side of the coin, how many children of Democrats, like Elisabeth Hesselbeck, made a sharp right turn?
I work with kids and would never dream to peg any kid at an early age.
brettdale
(12,331 posts)Heres hoping he wont grow up to be like his adult brothers and sisters or his dad.
Sunny05
(865 posts)then off limits. I do not know exactly what has been said about the boy. Have only seen references to negative comments about him. But a child is a child.
I have no idea what the boy's views and behaviors are or whether he -- or, instead, fans -- has/have racist things on FB ... and so forth. But for the sake of argument, even if he does (and he may not, but if), those words/behaviors reflect the adults around him.
Related to that ... Much research exists on the teen brain and how it is still forming into one's twenties. So, if he is just 10 or 11, even, then his even-younger impressionable brain has quite a ways to go.
And if, in the past, some repubs didn't care about negatives flung at Amy Carter, Chelsea Clinton, Sasha Obama, or Malia Obama, it shouldn't be yet another child pay the price.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)the "Do you think rioters and looters should lose their government assistance?" kind.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)LeftInTX
(24,541 posts)https://www.facebook.com/Barron-Trump-437592333101930/
The I Am Barron Trump looks like it is probably either done by him or a family publicist. It is pretty tame. Just family pictures and "proud of my family" stuff. It is given the status "public figure" on FB. (As a parent, I would not allow this, even though I don't see anything inappropriate on that page)
The other one, put out by a "Baron Trump Fan Club" is very political and full of right wing stuff.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)Cheers.
regnaD kciN
(26,035 posts)...although I would be more suspicious if it was his dad's "fan club."
LeftInTX
(24,541 posts)On the About section they identify themselves as:
Baron Trump Fan Club
Because of this misspell, I don't think they are closely aligned with the Trump family.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)I can't believe people are so gullible to actually believe this crap.
Stop spreading lies. We see enough of that from Trump's team. Don't pull a Trump.
trixie2
(905 posts)My nephew posted at 10 and had his account turned off at Facebook, rightly so. You know darn well they "know" who this child is.
My advice: Get the heck off of Facebook, it is nothing but garbage anyways. Why do Facebook people always believe everything on it?
pnwest
(3,265 posts)Kid didn't ask for any of this. Whether he's challenged or not is irrelevant, he didn't ask to be thrust into the spotlight. The older children of the corn however....well, that's a whole 'nother animal! Fair game, indeed!
briv1016
(1,570 posts)Until he makes a public statement or does something malicious, we should give him the benefit of the doubt. If anything, he's the one person in the Trump clan that has a chance of growing up to be a decent person.
ETA: I don't know enough about Tiffany to state that she is not a decent person. Until she makes herself a public figure, she is also off limits.
HeartachesNhangovers
(814 posts)about a child (which is more than reason enough), but because we're not talking about a public figure (which means they aren't even politically interesting). I feel the same way about Mrs Trump - I have no interest in anything she does, says or wears.
nycbos
(6,032 posts)He is absolutely off limits. And I will speak out against anything that goes after him.
Ivanka, Jared, Eric, and Donald Jr are fair game because they are
1. Grownup
2. Part of their Dad's/Father-In-Laws team and are part of the nepotism.
Best_man23
(4,887 posts)The other Children of the Corn are adults and are fair game IMO.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)are closer to adult but being a teenager about to get out on your own is very tough. When they are old enough to vote then they are old enough to praise or criticize but off limits until then.
Mister Ed
(5,895 posts)carpetbagger
(4,383 posts)Beavis and Butthead, Uday and Qusay. Besides decency, that's my argument.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Passing off opinions as if they are facts is nothing more than rumor mongering. It's disgusting.
They are only doing it because they know the best way to hurt a parent is by attacking their child. They are attacking Barron under the guise of concern and that's the same crap Trump would pull. It's a sad day when people on this site resort to behaving like someone they claim to hate.
JohnnyLib2
(11,206 posts)Unquestionably
Skittles
(152,963 posts)*HE IS A CHILD*
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)But he really should be in the protective custody of child services. His father called him a retard for chriss sakes!
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)When? Really?
frogmarch
(12,144 posts)(snip)
When the people sent it to me, it was funny, Arnold said. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasnt going to be president of the United States. It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children. Oh, this is so funny, this is this guy.
(snip)
Also too, sidenote, which son did he call a retard? One of the older goons, or the younger boy Rosie ODonnell got in trouble for suggesting is autistic? We are just curious whether Donald Trump is simply a total shit, or a total shit who is also a cruel parent.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Never denied by Junior or Trump
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)They call parents a lot worse than that. Their brains are not fully developed until about 25, at which time they become reasonable adults. Until then, things can and will get heated on both sides.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)I suspect that the son in question is Junior
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Trump says mean things so you can go after his kid too?
Sick.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)By defending speculating you are defending bullying.
Bullying is attacking.
Leave him alone.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Speculation and gossip are two wholly different words with two wholly different meanings... pretending otherwise doesn't make it so. That applies as well to the gossip and bullying.
Dictionaries are a great investment. Words do not mean what is most convenient to a shallow or undisciplined mind looking only to validate a bias.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)People speculate about financial markets.
They gossip about people.
This talking about a 10 year old is gossip since it better fits that definition. Thanks for helping to clarify this!
gos·sip
ˈɡäsəp/
noun
1.
casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true.
"he became the subject of much local gossip"
synonyms: rumor(s), tittle-tattle, whispers, canards, tidbits; More
verb
1.
engage in gossip.
"they would start gossiping about her as soon as she left"
synonyms: spread rumors, spread gossip, talk, whisper, tell tales, tittle-tattle, tattle; informaldish the dirt
"she gossiped about Dean's wife"
dembotoz
(16,734 posts)No need to yammer about a kid
Fritz Walter
(4,281 posts)This has been a very reassuring discussion, and I'm very encouraged that the DU community rises to a higher standard than what flows on Facebook and other social media platforms.
Stay strong. We're in this fight against injustice -- on many levels -- for the long haul.
Jimbo101
(776 posts)bhikkhu
(10,708 posts)What would be the point? I don't see much need to criticise Melania either - from her words that I have seen, she seems to be ok. When we have such a large and offensive target of a president, all the real issues, and every ridiculous thing he says and does, why bother with people who haven't done anything bad, and why target kids?
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)what's going on in that kid's head. It looks like it might
be interesting. He sure is taking in information. He may be the
black sheep for all we know.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)If you're a grown adult making fun of a child you're a P.O.S. even if his father is Donald Trump
MrPurple
(985 posts)It's the ONLY remotely not antichrist-like thing I can say about Trump, but given that Barron appears to have some special needs issues, I'm surprised that he didn't to a humanizing Barbara Walters type interview with Barron & Melania talking about it before the election.
It's a no brainer that you leave a 10 year old kid alone. But, I wouldn't be surprised if Bannon doesn't stage someone attacking him to run stories about the inhuman evil liberals, probably at the height of Trump being under scrutiny for something.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)She would not go there
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Excuse me for saying, but " duh."
tblue37
(64,979 posts)Freethinker65
(9,928 posts)mn9driver
(4,412 posts)This is an easy call. Leave him alone.
trixie2
(905 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,035 posts)...which is highly unlikely at age 10, but if, say, four years from now, he's trotted out before the press to spread misinformation about his father's opponents, then he loses any immunity.
kristndem
(389 posts)The children do not choose it, and should be protected. Barron is off limits. We are better than that!
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,496 posts)he deserves the respect you'd show anyone's impressionable children.
"We go high." --Michelle Obama
applegrove
(118,006 posts)2) speak publicly
Vogon_Glory
(9,084 posts)Young Barron ought to remain off-limits, no matter how much we may detest his papa.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Barron has done nothing wrong; he was born to abominable parents but that's not his fault. All young children should be protected, including children of politicians. Once they grow up and get involved with politics and business (Donny, Eric and Ivanka) they're fair game.
Caliman73
(11,690 posts)Melania chose her path. Ivanka, and the moron brothers are ass deep (and by ass I mean their heads) in daddy's businesses and corruption.
Barron is 10. He has no self agency. He cannot choose which family he belongs to and what his father and half-siblings do. He will most likely grow up to be not so great a person, unless he is able to separate from his father's influence, but for now he is as much a victim as any other child and should be off limits.
underpants
(182,271 posts)I say he's off limits. They apparently don't. He has his own FB page and I've seen it shared several times today. They also are playing victim about "attacks" on him. I expect to hear him mentioned when around RW'ers.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)to drum up sympathy for Trump.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)CaliforniaLove
(27 posts)Hell, I wouldn't even go after Melania or anybody else.
Who cares about his family? Don't give them celebrity status.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Meanwhile, his treasonous, racist, sexist, illegitimate president POS, putin-loving daddy doesn't give one damn about our kids having it, and children WILL end up dying.
Yep, Barron is one lucky little boy, and I WILL bring up how lucky HE IS vs the other 10 year old children who won't even be allowed to have just basic health care.
Other people's kids are going to die. Barron won't. His daddy will make sure Barron has the best health care.
TygrBright
(20,733 posts)I'd prefer to make America kind again.
And that would include not involving young children in the opprobrium incurred by their parents.
firmly,
Bright
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)The child is off limits.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)He is a child and I have told people to leave him alone when I see that garbage.
highplainsdem
(48,718 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)...he should be off limits. I suspect Baron will grow up to be like the others, but there is always a chance he won't - and he acts more mature than his father. The other daughter, too - as long as she stays out of the Trump mess.
Rollo
(2,559 posts)However he has seemed rather unhappy to be on stage with his Dad at times.
Perhaps it's only the business of Child Protective Services.
NT
jmowreader
(50,447 posts)It's the Trump family, not the Romanoff family, and this isn't the Bible: we don't punish children for the sins of their fathers and siblings.
Besides, any vitriol you might have wasted on Barron can be put to better use attacking his money-grubbing father, sister and brothers.
littlemissmartypants
(22,417 posts)To insult or berate any person you like but keep in mind it reveals more about your character than any thing else. It's a deep personal choice.
Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Thanks for the post Fritz Walter.
True Dough
(17,090 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,906 posts)Lady_Chat
(561 posts)And if anyone would know how comments could hurt a child, it would be Chelsea...Rush Limbaugh once called her a "dog", another politician said she looked like "she got hit in the face by a bag of wooden nickels", a conservative publication once called for her death (yes, when she was a child) to end the "Clinton line", she has had people question who her "real father" is, even that Vince Foster was killed because he "really knew", and other suggestions were made in "jest" of other unattractive people being her real father. It was cruel and just sick.
The only thing I have heard about Barron is, that he's autistic. That's not an insult, if true, but unfortunately for him, if it is true, he's got a father who thinks making fun of the disabled is just fine. A lot of autistic children do wave their hands around in the same way as that disabled reporter, even though they don't have the same problem.
If Barron is autistic, Trump and his wife could do a lot of good by discussing it out in the open. But I have a feeling that's the last thing they would ever do, think Trump is too proud and too ignorant, and would definitely hide it.
"Chelsea Clinton defends Barron while criticizing Donald Trump" http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/chelsea-clinton-defends-barron-criticizing-donald-trump-article-1.2953147
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)There is no reason aside from malice.
My view is that kid has it bad enough with that monster for a father. No amount of money can make up for that.
ileus
(15,396 posts)brooklynite
(93,834 posts)brooklynite
(93,834 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,079 posts)But go on and tell us about your AR-15 while you're at it.
nini
(16,670 posts)Don't blame the kid.
Now if he turns out to be an asshole as an adult.. that's different.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Leave the fucking kid alone. He has no say in any of this. I found it disgusting when Repugs went after Chelsea and the Obama girls. The fact that his father's an asshole doesn't make attacking a kid alright.
JHB
(37,128 posts)Only foaming, obsessive shitbags attack a kid just because they'll use any excuse to take potshots at the target of their bile.
Unsurprisingly, all the worst examples are from the party that Kremlin Don now leads.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)MineralMan
(146,189 posts)He is not responsible for his father. He can't do anything. Just leave him alone completely.
That's what people should do. Barron is irrelevant to anything. He's just a kid.
IADEMO2004
(5,538 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,353 posts)This shouldn't even be debatable
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Chelsea for being an ugly kid, for making fun of Jenna and the other Bush girl, when the Obama girls were made fun of for whatever reason. Kids don't choose their parents no matter what. I feel bad for the kid. If he grows up to be an asshole like his dad...then we can rip him.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)Why did they put him in the back of the children?? He could have walked side by side with Tiffany and then let Eric go in the rear. He's a young child and they treated him like garbage at the event. I was so sad for him.
TrishaJ
(797 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)He is a 10-year-old boy.
bluedigger
(17,077 posts)Bad manners does not excuse bad policy.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Its allowance or denial is predicated wholly on your own character and the better angels of your nature.
There is no collective rule preventing you from doing so should you choose... primacy of civility and decency are your only obstacles.
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)That is enough for me to make a decision to not comment on a child.
MFM008
(19,775 posts)Is from his old man. That's plenty.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)was in the White House and now. There was no Internet in those days. You could say whatever you wanted about Amy Carter, but it wasn't blasted planet-wide.
There was Internet when Chelsea was in the WH, but it wasn't nearly what it is now.
Let's face it: In 2017 any ignoramus can make his/her opinions known all over the world within seconds. It would be really, really hard to be a child of any public figure right now.
ElkeH
(105 posts)It does not matter that cretins have made unkind remarks about Chelsea Clinton or Sasha and Malia Obama. Mocking them was wrong and does not excuse mocking Barron Trump. Let's remember that he is only ten.
Trump's other children are a different matter, not only because they are adults, but especially because they are politically involved and an extension of the Trump administration.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)were walking down steps I thought he was going to grab the sword off one of the guards. but he pulled his hand back fast. He seems much better behaved 'in public' than Christies kid but you never know as the days in public eyes roll on. We don't even know how the Fathers grabbie hands will behave as the days roll on.
Golden Raisin
(4,599 posts)This 10-year old boy should absolutely be left alone and off limits. Those who did not have narcissistic parents have little idea of how bad and life-altering things can be for the child.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Vinca
(50,168 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)He's 10.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Dem2
(8,166 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Assuming responsibility is taught in that family. As he grows up, he can begin to receive criticism for his own actions--but now is too early.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Rollo
(2,559 posts)Barron Trump is off limits, but his parents are not for being responsible for any lack of socialization, and the sort of emotional and physical assault The Donald is noted for.
Might be time to call Child Protective Services...
FREE BARRON!
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)If we think a child is being mistreated or there should be some concerns about him, then maybe.
IMWITHHERR
(32 posts)We really need to be the bigger person and leave him alone, especially with all of the bullying that occurs in this day in age.