OMG guess what the republicans want to legalize? Silencers for guns

[alllove]

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/22/silencer-business-booms-as-deregulation-bill-heads-for-debate.html

"The bill, the Hearing Protection Act of 2017, was introduced Jan. 9 by Reps. Jeff Duncan of South Carolina and John Carter of Texas, both Republicans, and has 68 sponsors in all. It would retroactively remove the $200 tax on suppressors, and remove them from regulation under the National Firearms Act, in the name of reducing shooters' hearing loss.

While a similar piece of legislation introduced in 2015 never made it out of committee, advocates say they're cautiously optimistic that the bill will pass this year"



This is beyond belief to me. These are the things assassins use .

[MFM008]

1. They are going to see how much they can

get away with before 11/18.
losing the senate would be a disaster for them.
Americans cant stomach all branches of government to one party for long.
Its never happened for long.

[alllove]

2. I'm calling my congressmans number tomorrow

This is insanity now.

[HoneyBadger]

3. Suppressors are already legal and have been for your entire life

Bill removes the $200 tax

[alllove]

4. Did you read the article

" and remove them from regulation under the National Firearms Act"

So anyone will be able to walk in their local Walmart and buy one.

This is not a suppressor as you call it these are actual silencers they are talking about.

[HoneyBadger]

5. Suppressor and silencer are the exact same thing

And the National Firearms Act was poorly named. Probably should have been called the Machine Gun Federal Tax Act.

[alllove]

7. Okay I didn't know that

The article was a bit confusing because it did write something about the suppressor industry but then
it begins to talk about silencers .

[Mike B]

6. " and remove them from regulation under the National Firearms Act"

....that is the $200 tax part. You can buy pre-1986 machine guns, short barreled rifles/shotguns, or even build your own suppressor, if you fill out the correct forms and pay a $200 tax to the US Treasury Department. It's been that way since the law was enacted in 1934. Even in European countries that have tough gun laws, silencers are sold over-the-counter without any regulations. In some countries, they are mandatory to use if you wish to fire a gun. All that bill does is remove that tax and shorten the wait time.

[NickB79]

10. So, just like in most of Europe then?

Suppressors are very loosely regulated (and in some instances required) in many countries with otherwise tight gun laws.

If you're afraid they'll make guns Hollywood-style quiet, you have little to fear; in real life they only remove a small amount of noise from the shot. More of a boom than a crack, but still very noticeable.

[Hoyt]

8. Just think, the best example of why people need guns -- George Zimmerman -- could

have shot Trayvon Martin several times without spoiling neighbor's Sunday evening.

[wincest]

9. heres how a real suppressor works

9mm handgun unsuppressed averaged 161 db

9mm handgun with suppressor averages 130 db

http://www.noisehelp.com/noise-level-chart.html
100 db motorcycle (riding)
110 db rock band/ jackhammer
130 db peak stadium crowd noise
162 dB fireworks (at 3 feet)
160 db shotgun

[ileus]

12. If this passes I'll have a can for my P-09.

but I'm not holding my breath.

Actually come to think about it a bit, I'd leave the 09 alone since it's my HD pistol and has night sights, and instead buy a threaded barrel for my 75 and install suppressor sights.

[wincest]

14. best of luck to you

i live in CA. and if i'm not mistaken threaded barrels are illegal. can someone from Ca clarify this for me?

[wincest]

17. what are suppressor sights?

[Lee-Lee]

19. Higher sights so your line of sight is over the suppressor

On most handguns you can't aim with a suppressor mounted without modified sights because it obstructs the view.

[coco22]

11. This will backfire on them..

they seem to think that they are the only people with guns.

[wincest]

13. this is the sound of a car backfiring

Engine
Backfire
140 dB

[Vinca]

15. From a personal perspective, it might reduce the noise from the crazy gun nut neighbor

in the summer. In fact, I might gift him with a silencer. But, it seems an expansion of gun rights and I'm opposed to that.

[spanone]

16. hang in there..i posted this a few days ago....some du'ers love the idea

[Lee-Lee]

18. Its actually a long overdue change in the law

They will still require the same level of background check as always, only it will be done with the FBI instant system instead of the old manual system that was established in 1934 and takes months to complete because the staff is so backed up. And it removes the $200 tax, but when you look at the amount of labor and resources used to run the checks via the old 1934 system the government spends more than $200 to process that anyway, so no real loss of revenue.

Suppressors are actually good for shooters and non-shooters because of the reduced noise levels, and make a huge difference in how much damage is done to the ears. Most reduce the gunshot down to a few DB quieter than a car backfire, they are not like the movies.

Even the CDC and NIOSH say that suppressors are a good safety measure, and anyone who works in industrial hygiene or occupational safety will tell you the best way to deal with noise levels that are damaging to hearing is reduce them at the source, with ear plus and muff a distant second.

As for criminal use- if a criminal wanted a homemade suppressor today they just need to go to Home Depot for some pipe fittings and adapters and make a mount to thread an oil filter onto the gun. After the first shot punches the hole in the end it makes a suppressor that reduces sound levels about 25-30 db and will last about 100 rounds until you need a new filter. So if they wanted one now nothing stops them, and it doesn't seem to be an issue.

[NWCorona]

20. As someone who lives miles from the police range I wouldn't mind this

Besides calling it a silencer is a bit misleading as it doesn't silence anything.

Subsonic .22 rounds are quieter than most anything out there.