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bagelsforbreakfast

(1,427 posts)
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:32 PM Jan 2017

was the ACA "doughnut hole" specifically calculated to...

Energize lower-class racial strife in red states?

Just wondering.

Recently encountered red state man making $7k/year faced with paying over $400/mo for insurance, no subsidy, no version of medical in his state; might even have been black himself - totally against Obama and "Obamacare."

Got me thinking. Was this DELIBERATELY done? Not just to thwart democrats but because of some long-term plan hatched in Kotch-like Republican think-tank?

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was the ACA "doughnut hole" specifically calculated to... (Original Post) bagelsforbreakfast Jan 2017 OP
'might even have been black himself' wtf? leftstreet Jan 2017 #1
meaning a black man racist against a black president... bagelsforbreakfast Jan 2017 #2
So, his 'race' loyalty should outweigh his economic interests? leftstreet Jan 2017 #5
Which state oldtime dfl_er Jan 2017 #3
wrong place leftstreet Jan 2017 #4
wtf? bagelsforbreakfast Jan 2017 #6
sorry, not fishing for trolls today bagelsforbreakfast Jan 2017 #7
Did you just reply to yourself? ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #15
Someone can't keep their usernames straight. ret5hd Jan 2017 #19
wut? Dem2 Jan 2017 #8
'You Can Lead A Man to Knowledge, But You Cant Make Him Think' bagelsforbreakfast Jan 2017 #10
...said every arrogant ... Dem2 Jan 2017 #17
Maybe posting things that could not possibly be true might help you to be taken seriously. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #21
Complicated legislation always needs amendments and tweaks gratuitous Jan 2017 #9
The Supreme Court created the "doughnut hole" I believe you are referring to. tritsofme Jan 2017 #11
absurd allegation that the ACA was designed to create strife. grantcart Jan 2017 #12
It's Medicaid SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #14
damn auto-fill, lol grantcart Jan 2017 #16
Please be gone. You're not on the same side of things as me. Stinky The Clown Jan 2017 #13
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #18
That is total crap. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #20

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
21. Maybe posting things that could not possibly be true might help you to be taken seriously.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:56 PM
Jan 2017

We are a fact based site.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Complicated legislation always needs amendments and tweaks
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:40 PM
Jan 2017

Often, the problems in legislation don't become apparent until they go into real world application. That's why there is a mechanism to amend legislation and plug holes. One of the first problems that cropped up with the ACA was the challenge by its opponents to mandatory Medicare expansion. The Supreme Court agreed that the Act had overreached in requiring states to accept Medicare expansion. Who wouldn't want free money to help a state's citizens be healthier? Plenty of states, as it turns out. Each and every one of them controlled by Republicans. Once the problems became apparent, it was the Republican-controlled Congress that refused to do anything to help Americans.

So yes, there were problems with the ACA. Whose fingerprints are all over those problems? Republicans. If your friend is totally against Obamacare, make sure he's mad at the people who have worked so hard to hurt him, not the ones who tried to help him.

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
11. The Supreme Court created the "doughnut hole" I believe you are referring to.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:44 PM
Jan 2017

By making the Medicaid expansion optional. The ACA, as passed by Congress, envisioned that all states would expand Medicaid.

But I'm not sure what you are really asking. If it is: Did Red States try to sabotage the ACA? Then the answer is obviously, yes.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
12. absurd allegation that the ACA was designed to create strife.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:48 PM
Jan 2017

The Supreme Court ruled that ACA participation by the states was voluntary.

If the state agreed to expand Medicaid (which the ACA paid for) then the would also qualify for subsidies.

That is why many Red States, like Arizona, talked badly about the ACA but signed on and are now begging Trump not to get rid of it.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
14. It's Medicaid
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jan 2017

not Medicare, and states that didn't choose to expand Medicaid per the ACA can still get subsidies for their residents.

Medicaid expansion and subsidies are not related.

Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #13)

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
20. That is total crap.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:51 PM
Jan 2017

You can't get Obamacare unless you make at least $12,000 per year...under the plan you were supposed to get Medicaid and will with low or no cost premiums...of course those states that did not expand Medicaid ...those making less than $12,000n got nothing. Why do you come here and post this...quite untrue. Obamacare is the only insurance for millions and the GOP will get rid of it at their own peril...nice try though...not. So someone is not telling the truth...can't make $7.00 per hour and qualify.

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