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drray23

(7,627 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:54 PM Jan 2017

If the Arab spring led to dictators being overthrown

We ought to be able to reject Trump. In many of these countries they started off with a dictator in control who would kill them in the street. Trump is nowhere yet entrenched like that. If we keep it up and act forcefully he will either get impeached, have to resign or die from a heart attack.

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If the Arab spring led to dictators being overthrown (Original Post) drray23 Jan 2017 OP
Be careful what you wish for... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #1
We got rid of Nixon like that. drray23 Jan 2017 #3
That presumes "govern[ing] effectively" is the goal. I'm not sure it is. n/t CincyDem Jan 2017 #9
The House and Senate got rid of Nixon LeftInTX Jan 2017 #12
he resigned. drray23 Jan 2017 #13
seems like that ship has already sailed 0rganism Jan 2017 #4
I don't know that the Arab spring worked out well for any of the countries in the end. starshine00 Jan 2017 #2
Yes that is true but in many of these countries drray23 Jan 2017 #5
Tunisia is about the single success. tirebiter Jan 2017 #6
i dont suggest that either. drray23 Jan 2017 #11
National strike orangecrush Jan 2017 #7
If we had a parliamentary system marylandblue Jan 2017 #8
"We ought that be able to reject Trump" handmade34 Jan 2017 #10
From Dictatorship To Democracy Bear Creek Jan 2017 #14

Wounded Bear

(58,649 posts)
1. Be careful what you wish for...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:56 PM
Jan 2017

revolutions seldom end up like our original one did. Usually, the chaos and unrest lead to some form of autocratic rule.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
3. We got rid of Nixon like that.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jan 2017

It did not lead to a revolution, just his resignation. Trump can't govern effectively if there are protests all the time everywhere.

LeftInTX

(25,314 posts)
12. The House and Senate got rid of Nixon
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:31 PM
Jan 2017

And they were Dem majorities.

Nixon won 72 by a landslide, despite all of the protests

drray23

(7,627 posts)
13. he resigned.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:36 PM
Jan 2017

He resigned to avoid impeachment. The GOP does control house and senate but Trump is so crazy that I think that they will end up having to impeach him. Especially if their constituents start pressuring them after they are at the receiving end of one of Trump's stupid policies (Like killing medicare, etc..)

0rganism

(23,950 posts)
4. seems like that ship has already sailed
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:59 PM
Jan 2017

i don't see how 2, let alone 4, years of leadership by Trumpco doesn't become "some form of autocratic rule" all on its own

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
2. I don't know that the Arab spring worked out well for any of the countries in the end.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jan 2017

It had a lot of promise but I am not sure in the end the results were all that great. I know it was a disaster for Bahrain and a regime change in Egypt...I can't remember specifically any of the others right now, I need to refresh my memory.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
5. Yes that is true but in many of these countries
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:00 PM
Jan 2017

They did not have a solid tradition of democracy to fall back to. They ended up in chaos or with questionable new regimes.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
11. i dont suggest that either.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:15 PM
Jan 2017

I was trying to make the point that under dire circumstances other countries managed to overthrow dictators. So comparatively, we stand a good chance of success since we still have a functioning justice system and we are not yet being shot in the streets. If we resist Trump, the outcome of him leaving or being impeached will be to return to a regular democracy, not to end up in chaos like lybia, egypt and the like.

orangecrush

(19,549 posts)
7. National strike
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:06 PM
Jan 2017

And march on D.C. for a long term occupation until he resigns or the congress impeaches him.

A tall order, but it might come to that.

And unlike Arab Spring, we have a legal system to ensure the replacement follows rule of law.

At least so far.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
8. If we had a parliamentary system
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:08 PM
Jan 2017

There would be a vote of no confidence and that would be the end of it. Impeachment wasn't intended to be used that way, but there is nothing to stop Congress from doing so.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
10. "We ought that be able to reject Trump"
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jan 2017

we are trying our damnedest!! keep Marching, writing, mailing, protesting, educating, etc...

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
14. From Dictatorship To Democracy
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:49 PM
Jan 2017

Gene Sharp is the founder of the Albert Einstein Institution, a non-profit organization dedicated to advancing the study of nonviolent action, and is a retired professor of political science at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. Wikipedia Born: January 21, 1928 (age 89 years), North Baltimore, OH. OSU alumni.

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