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Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:54 PM

If the Arab spring led to dictators being overthrown

We ought to be able to reject Trump. In many of these countries they started off with a dictator in control who would kill them in the street. Trump is nowhere yet entrenched like that. If we keep it up and act forcefully he will either get impeached, have to resign or die from a heart attack.

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Reply If the Arab spring led to dictators being overthrown (Original post)
drray23 Jan 2017 OP
Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #1
drray23 Jan 2017 #3
CincyDem Jan 2017 #9
LeftInTX Jan 2017 #12
drray23 Jan 2017 #13
0rganism Jan 2017 #4
starshine00 Jan 2017 #2
drray23 Jan 2017 #5
tirebiter Jan 2017 #6
drray23 Jan 2017 #11
orangecrush Jan 2017 #7
marylandblue Jan 2017 #8
handmade34 Jan 2017 #10
Bear Creek Jan 2017 #14

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:56 PM

1. Be careful what you wish for...

revolutions seldom end up like our original one did. Usually, the chaos and unrest lead to some form of autocratic rule.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:57 PM

3. We got rid of Nixon like that.

It did not lead to a revolution, just his resignation. Trump can't govern effectively if there are protests all the time everywhere.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:13 PM

9. That presumes "govern[ing] effectively" is the goal. I'm not sure it is. n/t



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Response to drray23 (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:31 PM

12. The House and Senate got rid of Nixon

And they were Dem majorities.

Nixon won 72 by a landslide, despite all of the protests

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:36 PM

13. he resigned.

He resigned to avoid impeachment. The GOP does control house and senate but Trump is so crazy that I think that they will end up having to impeach him. Especially if their constituents start pressuring them after they are at the receiving end of one of Trump's stupid policies (Like killing medicare, etc..)

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:59 PM

4. seems like that ship has already sailed

i don't see how 2, let alone 4, years of leadership by Trumpco doesn't become "some form of autocratic rule" all on its own

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:57 PM

2. I don't know that the Arab spring worked out well for any of the countries in the end.

 

It had a lot of promise but I am not sure in the end the results were all that great. I know it was a disaster for Bahrain and a regime change in Egypt...I can't remember specifically any of the others right now, I need to refresh my memory.

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Response to starshine00 (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:00 PM

5. Yes that is true but in many of these countries

They did not have a solid tradition of democracy to fall back to. They ended up in chaos or with questionable new regimes.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:02 PM

6. Tunisia is about the single success.

I would not suggest Arab Spring as a template.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:15 PM

11. i dont suggest that either.

I was trying to make the point that under dire circumstances other countries managed to overthrow dictators. So comparatively, we stand a good chance of success since we still have a functioning justice system and we are not yet being shot in the streets. If we resist Trump, the outcome of him leaving or being impeached will be to return to a regular democracy, not to end up in chaos like lybia, egypt and the like.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:06 PM

7. National strike

And march on D.C. for a long term occupation until he resigns or the congress impeaches him.

A tall order, but it might come to that.

And unlike Arab Spring, we have a legal system to ensure the replacement follows rule of law.

At least so far.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:08 PM

8. If we had a parliamentary system

There would be a vote of no confidence and that would be the end of it. Impeachment wasn't intended to be used that way, but there is nothing to stop Congress from doing so.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:13 PM

10. "We ought that be able to reject Trump"

we are trying our damnedest!! keep Marching, writing, mailing, protesting, educating, etc...

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:49 PM

14. From Dictatorship To Democracy

Gene Sharp is the founder of the Albert Einstein Institution, a non-profit organization dedicated to advancing the study of nonviolent action, and is a retired professor of political science at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. Wikipedia Born: January 21, 1928 (age 89 years), North Baltimore, OH. OSU alumni.

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