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Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:11 PM

How to engage trump supporters?

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I wanna start this thread by sharing which talking points or discussions have you found useful when talking to trump supporters (if you know any). I have some on my facebook. And, as you all know, they do not respond to facts. We are not talking about perharps 30M lunatics but the other 30M that hopefully are not hooked on breitbart.

I beleive I found a breakthrough today. My response had at least a couple of them start engaging and researching a bit. It's a big start!

Here is what I said. Please DO NOT copy and paste if you wanna use something among those lines:

"unfortunately, it is near useless to engage with trump supporters because they don't respond to facts. They still do not understand how Duginist Putin's machine has been trying to undermine democracy in Europe and the US by supporting far-right parties. They do not understand how 'liberalism' threatens his authoritarian regime and that breaking down EU, UN and US is essential for Russia to regain power. They do not understand that islamophobia is intentionally being used to bring down liberal democracies across the globe. They do not understand who is Bannon and what he is trying to achieve and that Trump is merely a puppet towards a new global order which will benefit ONLY Russia. They do no understand how Citizens United ruling allowed foreign adversarial power to pump enormous amount of dark money into the US with the goal to destabilize our government; they do not understand that Trump is provoking a major conflict which will lead to a war; they do not understand why Trump wants to remove all sanctions on Russia, etc."

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Reply How to engage trump supporters? (Original post)
AlexSFCA Jan 2017 OP
malchickiwick Jan 2017 #1
hrmjustin Jan 2017 #2
AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #3
TrekLuver Jan 2017 #4
GliderGuider Jan 2017 #6
logosoco Jan 2017 #5
AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #7
Zing Zing Zingbah Jan 2017 #8
LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #9
NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #10
TeamPooka Jan 2017 #11
ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #12
Ron Green Jan 2017 #13
maryellen99 Jan 2017 #14
geek tragedy Jan 2017 #15
Zing Zing Zingbah Jan 2017 #17
kwassa Jan 2017 #16
Zing Zing Zingbah Jan 2017 #19
kwassa Jan 2017 #21
gratuitous Jan 2017 #18
hunter Jan 2017 #20

Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:14 PM

1. Here's my preferred method:

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:17 PM

2. On twitter I block them. On Facebook I prevent my Republican family

 

members from seeing my posts.

They are crazy and my strategy is to not feed the trolls.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:24 PM

3. guys

I also block lunatics but there is a sizeable number that are not crazy even if voted for trump. I know it's hard to grasp but it is what it is and we need them on our side.

One thing is certain NEVER try to engage with trump folks on Obamacare!

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:27 PM

4. I don't think the non lunatics are quite ready yet to step away from the table. It has only been a

 

week....but let this Trashpot & Co keep on ..which they will and they'll start peeling off.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:31 PM

6. They were literally brainwashed during the campaign

 

They had their minds molded by messages targeted down to the individual level, based on their personal psychological profiles. It was the most effective form of voter manipulation ever seen. We had "Manchurian Voters".

The brainwashing means that they will be extraordinarily hard to reach. Whether to try or not depends on what one thinks it will be worth. I'd rather not beat my head against that Big-Data-reinforced wall. But getting them to do some research is probably the best start.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:29 PM

5. I am FB friends with a friend of my daughters,

someone I have know since they were in 1st grade, they are now 22. I knew her parents were big Bill O"riely watchers a long time ago. She posted something which I disputed with facts and she replied that she did agree with me but that she still wants to give trump a chance. She has since liked a few of the things I share.

They are a hard bunch to work with. They can agree that something is wrong but still want to do it anyway!!!!

Ugh!!! My patience is limited to children under 10 and animals. And I don't think there are any trump supporters in that group!

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Response to logosoco (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:51 PM

7. that's a start

If they at least respond to the facts it's a start. They say give him a chance but will see how it all unfolds and soon will start activating whatever left of their critical thinking.

Traditional 'free-market' republicans who voted for trump just because of R, may be the ones who are easier to sway.

I just read the news that Koch brothers are going to fight trump. They need to pay talking head (limbaugh, reily, hannity, etc.) to change their medsage to criticism.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:52 PM

8. For the Christian ones who pride themselves on their values

I would point out how Trump clearly doesn't represent their Christian values in so many ways. These people seem to pride themselves on not compromising so they shouldn't cut Trump any slack.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/02/donald-trump-god-christianity-evangelicals-492385.html

Plus another thing I would point out to the Tea Party republican types that pride themselves on being fiscally responsible... the ones who didn't like W after the fact because of the huge federal deficit he created with his expensive wars while simultaneously cutting taxes... I like to point out to these people that if Trump gets his way about building his expensive border wall, plus increasing military spending, plus significantly cutting taxes then Trump is going to create a larger federal deficit than W did and that is not fiscally responsible.

I also try to smooth things over a little by saying that I'm just telling them this stuff because I am trying to look out for them, because I care about them, which I do.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:52 PM

9. ridicule and shame. Seriously nt

 

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 02:53 PM

10. Ask them how long they are going to keep bending over

 

And letting Trump stick it to them and then wipe his ass with the US Constitution.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:21 PM

11. You can't fix stupid. nt

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:26 PM

12. They need basic civics amoung other information

They is not enough on social media platforms to teach them what they don't want to know. The latest? "Obama did it first" on the Immigration ban, which is untrue, yet pops up over and over and over. It doesn't matter what one says, or how one redirects a Trump supporter to accurate information.

I NEVER underestimate biogrty.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:32 PM

13. Work on local projects. Find areas of commonality.

Over 57% of my county's vote went to Trump. Many of those are people on various boards and committees with whom I need to work for improvements in my city and surrounding areas. Most of these people are not actively working for Trump's death agenda, they just want (usually mistakenly, sometimes perceptively) to steer away from the hidebound bureaucracies that have characterized community building efforts in my state for the past several decades.

When talking with them about the big demonstrations I try to insist that it's good for people to practice free speech when they see wrongs being perpetrated. I try to hear their concerns, not only about the broken economic system that pushed them toward Trump, but that he somehow "won't be given a chance" to make it better.

These people are having buyers' remorse in big numbers, and I'm not going to shut them out or upbraid them as they come to better conclusions.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:34 PM

14. The ones I know(husband's cousin) is a blind follower

She believes Trump is "a good Christian husband and father" and is "pro life". She also ignored my posts about my husband's cancer surgery because I'm an evil liberal and voted for Hillary( I put the H on my FB page Election Day).

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:35 PM

15. just don't. Populism depends on there being an enemy, and if you disagree with them

 

you become their enemy.

Just refuse to engage and say you prefer to get along.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:45 PM

17. I think there are ways you can kindly disagree with them without becoming their enemy.

They have to know you have respect for them in some way first before they will respect you and listen though. I'm talking about friends and family members. I wouldn't bother with anyone that I don't have a personal relationship with in the real world.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:42 PM

16. Engaging Trump supporters is very important to peeling away that support.

I would simply post one or two issues with what he has done in the past week, for instance, and then add to it as the other person proves to be receptive to listening. Be civil, reasonable, and no snark, blaming, name-calling, etc. Slowly disprove the Trump lies.

This is hard for me to do, as I live in the bluest of blue areas, and my extended families have no known Trumpers. In the workplace we generally don't talk politics at all.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:54 PM

19. I agree... not saying anything is assumed to be silent agreement

I think it is good to point out everything you do agree with the Trump supporter on. Find something. It will make them feel like you are on their side and they will be more willing to listen. Plus no one wants to be told that that everything they think is 100% wrong (even though some people seem to be that way). Give them credit for being right about something and then tailor your criticisms of Trump toward things the Trump supporter is actually interested in.

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Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:01 PM

21. This is actually known as the "habit of agreement".

It is a negotiating tactic. First you create a bond by establishing all that you have in common with the other person to build a feeling of trust, before you move on to the more difficult areas.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:50 PM

18. See if they betray any misgivings about their hero

If they're "Trump, fuck yeah!" all the way down, put them on ignore. But if they evince any misgivings at all about their hero, encourage them along those lines. "Boy, I don't remember voting for Steve Bannon; he seems to be exercising a lot of influence on President Trump." Use that as an entry point to jog their brain into motion.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Original post)

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 04:01 PM

20. One of my nephews is a pickup truck driving, beer drinking working class guy in Trump California.

He hates Trump and has zero respect for the evangelicals who voted for Trump.

It may all boil down to the fact that one of his favorite uncles was gay and died too young of an HIV related ailment.

I think my nephew is a better spokesman than me; he knows the language Trump supporters speak.

To me it's all gibberish and I'm not afraid to say that. Therefore nobody talks to me about their support of Trump.

The sad fact is that most Trump supporter don't recognize the evil of the modern Republican Party until it bites them in the ass, and even then many will still vote for Republicans and blame any troubles on some group they hate.

My Punch-a-Nazi-in-the-Face approach (so far metaphorical) certainly engages Trump voters, but that may be all I have because there's no arguing with incurious people who celebrates their own ignorance as a matter of faith.

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