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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:11 AM Jan 2017

here's a guy who thinks a coup is in progress, and has compelling facts

Would you please read this in all seriousness and share your considered reaction?
It is giving me pause..
and explaining a series of events in context.
Read the part in the linked article about Russia selling oil shares to an unnamed untraceable person....

Trial Balloon for a Coup?
Analyzing the news of the past 24 hours

News Reports
(1) Priebus made two public statements today. One is that the ban on Muslims will no longer be applied to green card holders. Notably absent from his statement was anything about people with other types of visa (including long-term ones), or anything about the DHS’ power to unilaterally revoke green cards in bulk.
The other was that the omission of Jews from the statement for Holocaust Remembrance Day was deliberate and is not regretted.
A point of note here is that Priebus is the one making these statements, which is not normally the Chief of Staff’s job. I’ll come back to that below.
(2) Rudy Giuliani told Fox News that the intent of yesterday’s order was very much a ban on Muslims, described in those words, and he was among the people Trump asked how they could find a way to do this legally.

(3) CNN has a detailed story (heavily sourced) about the process by which this ban was created and announced. Notable in this is that the DHS’ lawyers objected to the order, specifically its exclusion of green card holders, as illegal, and also pressed for there to be a grace period so that people currently out of the country wouldn’t be stranded — and they were personally overruled by Bannon and Stephen Miller. Also notable is that career DHS staff, up to and including the head of Customs & Border Patrol, were kept entirely out of the loop until the order was signed.

(4) The Guardian is reporting (heavily sourced) that the “mass resignations” of nearly all senior staff at the State Department on Thursday were not, in fact, resignations, but a purge ordered by the White House. As the diagram
below (by Emily Roslin v Praze) shows, this leaves almost nobody in the entire senior staff of the State Department at this point.
( PIcture can be found at link, shows ALL top positions unfilled)

As the Guardian points out, this has an important and likely not accidental effect: it leaves the State Department entirely unstaffed during these critical first weeks, when orders like the Muslim ban (which they would normally resist) are coming down.
The article points out another point worth highlighting: “In the past, the state department has been asked to set up early foreign contacts for an incoming has been asked to set up early foreign contacts for an incoming administration. This time however it has been bypassed, and Trump’s immediate circle of Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, son-in-law Jared Kushner and Reince Priebus are making their own calls.”

(5) On Inauguration Day, Trump apparently filed his candidacy for 2020. Beyond being unusual, this opens up the ability for him to start accepting “campaign contributions” right away. Given that a sizable fraction of the campaign funds from the previous cycle were paid directly to the Trump organization in exchange for building leases, etc., at inflated rates, you can assume that those campaign coffers are a mechanism by which US nationals can easily give cash bribes directly to Trump. Non-US nationals can, of course, continue to use Trump’s hotels and other businesses as a way to funnel money to him.

(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed.
On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.
Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”

Note also the most frightening escalation last night was that the DHS made it fairly clear that they did not feel bound to obey any court orders. CBP continued to deny all access to counsel, detain people, and deport them in direct contravention to the court’s order, citing “upper management,” and the DHS made a formal (but confusing) statement that they would continue to follow the President’s orders. (See my updates from yesterday, and the various links there, for details) Significant in today’s updates is any lack of suggestion that the courts’ authority played a role in the decision.
That is to say, the administration is testing the extent to which the DHS (and other executive agencies) can act and ignore orders from the other branches of government. This is as serious as it can possibly get: all of the arguments
about whether order X or Y is unconstitutional mean nothing if elements of the government are executing them and the courts are being ignored.

Yesterday was the trial balloon for a coup d’état against the United States. It gave them useful information.

A second major theme is watching the set of people involved. There appears to be a very tight “inner circle,” containing at least Trump, Bannon, Miller, Priebus, Kushner, and possibly Flynn, which is making all of the decisions.

Other departments and appointees have been deliberately hobbled, with key orders announced to them only after the fact, staff gutted, and so on. Yesterday’s reorganization of the National Security Council mirrors this: Bannon and Priebus now have permanent seats on the Principals’ Committee; the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have both been demoted to only attending meetings where they are told that their expertise is relevant; the Secretary of Energy and the US representative to the UN were kicked off the committee altogether (in defiance of the authorizing statute, incidentally).

I am reminded of Trump’s continued operation of a private personal security force, and his deep rift with the intelligence community.
Last Sunday, Kellyanne Conway (likely another member of the inner circle) said that “It’s really time for [Trump] to put in his own security and intelligence community,” and this seems likely to be the case.
As per my analysis yesterday, Trump is likely to want his own intelligence service disjoint from existing ones and reporting directly to him; given the current staffing and roles of his inner circle, Bannon is the natural choice for them to report through. (Having neither a large existing staff, nor any Congressional or Constitutional restrictions on his role as most other Cabinet-level appointees do) Keith Schiller would continue to run the personal security force, which would take over an increasing fraction of the Secret Service’s job.
Especially if combined with the DHS and the FBI, which appear to have remained loyal to the President throughout the recent transition, this creates the armature of a shadow government: intelligence and police services which are not accountable through any of the normal means, answerable only to the President.

(Note, incidentally, that the DHS already has police authority within 100 miles of any border of the US; since that includes coastlines, this area includes over 60% of Americans, and eleven entire states. They also have a standing force of over 45,000 officers, and just received authorization to hire 15,000 more on Wednesday.)

The third theme is money. Trump’s decision to keep all his businesses (not bothering with any blind trusts or the like), and his fairly open diversion of campaign funds, made it fairly clear from the beginning that he was seeing this as a way to become rich in the way that only dedicated kleptocrats can, and this week’s updates definitely tally with that. Kushner looks increasingly likely to be the money-man, acting as the liaison between piles of cash and the president.

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.sh7qwupko



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here's a guy who thinks a coup is in progress, and has compelling facts (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 OP
Yep...I think there's insurmountable evidence that a coup is taking place Farmgirl1961 Jan 2017 #1
What's everybody talking about? The coup already happened on the 8th of November. brush Jan 2017 #52
Foul mouthed knitters posted that one yesterday Warpy Jan 2017 #2
My biggest concern is that too few here will take time to read this all. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #3
No, the inside the Beltway establishment types are still trying to figure out Warpy Jan 2017 #4
Not hearing jack shit Foo Fighter Jan 2017 #12
My Senator is....Jeff Sessions. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #34
I'm REALLY sorry to hear that. Foo Fighter Jan 2017 #56
I KNOW !!!! dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #57
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2017 #15
I'm reading it all! Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #38
No time, since "I've got my M...T...V... (Android, iPhone, Spotify...)."... Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #48
A coup isn't taking place. Doodley Jan 2017 #5
I think I agree with you. burrowowl Jan 2017 #8
pretty much yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #20
I don't mean to say this but bdamomma Jan 2017 #23
and we have a Tough as nails Governor yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #29
Indeed - they already control it all. No need for a coup. /nt Rage4Bacon Jan 2017 #33
Very chilling. brer cat Jan 2017 #6
Earlier thread posted on this by woodsprite csziggy Jan 2017 #7
ooh...thank you for that addit' info.... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #10
I need to get to bed, too - but I keep finding more stuff csziggy Jan 2017 #11
My cat and yours..separated at birth? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #13
Could be! Have a good sleep! nt csziggy Jan 2017 #14
Posted repeatedly yesterday and mostly ignored. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #43
I've been ignoring the later threads csziggy Jan 2017 #44
I wish Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #47
Yes, but sometimes the news is coming so fast that it is hard to find threads that match csziggy Jan 2017 #62
Yeah, I get it, but I can still wish. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #63
I read it. With Trump, who knows. But I think there's a lot of truth in OP, but not Hoyt Jan 2017 #9
Here's why I am convinced of russia stuff... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #35
Yeah, the coup happened on November 8 brush Jan 2017 #53
Does it make us all cowards that we elected all cowards to lead us? world wide wally Jan 2017 #16
there is more to it AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #17
"But Bannon has different goals and he is in charge of all policy." blue-wave Jan 2017 #19
OK, here's an article I found on the topic blue-wave Jan 2017 #21
That's one of the dots. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #40
Having lived through many coups and attempted coups grantcart Jan 2017 #18
Will the heavily militaized police with their Humvee tanks do? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #36
this is straight paranoia. grantcart Jan 2017 #39
Just noting, local LEOs are poor forces for use in coups. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #49
There are coups and then there are coups Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #42
what you describe has nothing to do with the word coup grantcart Jan 2017 #46
Noting with approval your bringing up apathy.... Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #50
It's not a coup in the literal sense, just missing the military element but they've taken over ... brush Jan 2017 #54
I have no desire to make war with my own side Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #55
sounds very plausible to me. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #22
K&R bdamomma Jan 2017 #24
Oh, Hell Yes! Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #25
+1 putitinD Jan 2017 #28
+ another 100 Duppers Feb 2017 #66
Russian troop build up & gwheezie Jan 2017 #26
The author's "Public request: Please don't turn 'coup' into the next meaningless buzzword.... Petrushka Jan 2017 #27
Excelelnt info....thank you! n/t dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #37
SO basically winning the election in Novenember, having control of the house and the senate, jmg257 Jan 2017 #30
Excellent article by Mr. Zunger. Mc Mike Jan 2017 #31
Enough info to hang him BSdetect Jan 2017 #32
so all this information bdamomma Jan 2017 #41
hate to say, I have no idea... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #45
Can't it be both? Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #51
Yes, guess it could be both. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2017 #58
I'm more interested in the fact that millions of Americans chose this blatant liar, cheat, & bully, Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #59
People need to wake up, this is not normal and Donnie is a Dictator. sarcasmo Jan 2017 #60
Scary shit superpatriotman Jan 2017 #61
I can't believe republicans are oblivious to this or that starshine00 Jan 2017 #64
Sorry, i don't believe a coup is underway. I believe the coup is completed. nikibatts Jan 2017 #65

Farmgirl1961

(1,493 posts)
1. Yep...I think there's insurmountable evidence that a coup is taking place
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:12 AM
Jan 2017

I just want to know what...if anything...can be done to stop it before we all come crashing down.

brush

(53,776 posts)
52. What's everybody talking about? The coup already happened on the 8th of November.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:12 PM
Jan 2017

They just didn't take over until Jan. 20th.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
2. Foul mouthed knitters posted that one yesterday
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:19 AM
Jan 2017

and I read it right after reading http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/ and the combination was pretty depressing.

I'm terribly afraid things are going to have to get one hell of a lot worse before they can get any better. It's going to be hard to keep our outrage going, but it's one of the most vitally necessary things we have.

Remember, reality is on our side. They are unprepared for it.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. My biggest concern is that too few here will take time to read this all.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:23 AM
Jan 2017

Because machinations like this can be rather complicated.
My instincts have been unsettled for the past few days, tho. I have good instincts.
And we are not hearing jack shit from the Dems.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
4. No, the inside the Beltway establishment types are still trying to figure out
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:27 AM
Jan 2017

whether or not any of this stuff is real and how they can keep their own cash flow positive.

Any Democrat who has any illusions about being supported by the rank and file party had better start to speak out.

Foo Fighter

(743 posts)
12. Not hearing jack shit
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:45 AM
Jan 2017

from the Dems is pretty much par for the course. Most of them are still trying to figure out where they stand.

I read the article on my way to work this morning but haven't had a chance to look into it further.

Have you sent the article to your Congress peeps? Given the topic and everything that has been happening in the last 10 days, if they can't be bothered to investigate further, that should tell you all that you need to know about them.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
34. My Senator is....Jeff Sessions.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jan 2017

Since they put Don Siegleman in jail, there have been ZERO dems running for seats in Ala.
I have been sending to family/friends in states that care.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
38. I'm reading it all!
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 02:23 PM
Jan 2017

Just got thru reading the link to the NY Review of Books story Warpy gave a link to. Outstanding! I can no longer work, so I have plenty of time to read and spread the word both online and IRL. The rabble is beginning to rouse. Keep up the good work and never lose heart!

That link is outstanding. It needs to be read and re-read, so I'll post it again.

READ THIS!

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
48. No time, since "I've got my M...T...V... (Android, iPhone, Spotify...)."...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:50 PM
Jan 2017

Why, you can just download or stream your very own reality.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
5. A coup isn't taking place.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:30 AM
Jan 2017

It has already happened. Every action, every sacking, every appointment, every EO, every statement confirms that. We have lost our nation.

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
23. I don't mean to say this but
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:40 AM
Jan 2017

Bannon hates liberalism thus you notice 2 states they keep on talking about is California and NY.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
29. and we have a Tough as nails Governor
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:22 AM
Jan 2017

so I am not worried. He has vowed to keep our state safe... and once he is gone, I am pretty sure Gavin Newesom will be next.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
7. Earlier thread posted on this by woodsprite
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:35 AM
Jan 2017
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8563715

Just a while ago I added a link to a Business Insider article with more information on the Rosneft deal and links to Carter Page.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
10. ooh...thank you for that addit' info....
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:39 AM
Jan 2017

I may need to read in am, will never get to sleep if I start now.

I feel better that you and some others are also thinking along these lines.


csziggy

(34,136 posts)
11. I need to get to bed, too - but I keep finding more stuff
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:45 AM
Jan 2017

The cat wants his chair - he sleeps in my desk chair at night - so he will soon chase me off anyway.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. My cat and yours..separated at birth?
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:49 AM
Jan 2017

Cause I am typing away with wee little claws poking into my butt from the chair cat.
who is correct..I gotta go....
Sleep well.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
44. I've been ignoring the later threads
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:24 PM
Jan 2017

The one I posted to and provided the link for was posted yesterday morning, far earlier than the others.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
47. I wish
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:32 PM
Jan 2017

people would be more careful to search to see if something is already posted before starting a new OP. My OCD would appreciate that.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
62. Yes, but sometimes the news is coming so fast that it is hard to find threads that match
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 11:31 PM
Jan 2017

Or people are too excited to look.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. I read it. With Trump, who knows. But I think there's a lot of truth in OP, but not
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 01:37 AM
Jan 2017

convinced of Russia stuff. But, who knows with Trump.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
35. Here's why I am convinced of russia stuff...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jan 2017

Tillison and Kushner and despite the disavowals, Putin.

Kushner is still talking with Russian business deals
and Tillison practically has been living there off and on for years, over oil.
Putin's daughter and Ivanka hang out together on vacations.

since Trump is a compulsive liar, I discount anything he says about not knowing Putin, which was instantly seen as a patent lie.
More importantly, despite all the polls and news, the election quite suddenly changed numbers, amidst yells of hacking, and then Russia was accused of the hacking.
And now we have 2 men dead around the spy dossier.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
17. there is more to it
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:14 AM
Jan 2017

For trump, the main motivation is money and autoritarian power (oligarchy). But Bannon has different goals and he is in charge of all policy.
In either case, Putin's goal is to destabilize US governemnt. Now, if trump gets impeached, then sanctions will not be lifted, if anything, they'll be strengthen. There is more to it.

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
19. "But Bannon has different goals and he is in charge of all policy."
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:10 AM
Jan 2017

Geez, I wish I could remember where I read it, that Bannon wants to bring the whole system down. This whole mess sends chills up and down your spin when you dig into it.

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
21. OK, here's an article I found on the topic
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:16 AM
Jan 2017

He claims he's a "Leninist" and wants to "I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.” Bannon was employing Lenin’s strategy for Tea Party populist goals. He included in that group the Republican and Democratic Parties, as well as the traditional conservative press."

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
40. That's one of the dots.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jan 2017

Now connect that dot to Aleksander Dugin's geopolitical goals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

Seeing that connection seems to be the key to understanding what's really going on here.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. Having lived through many coups and attempted coups
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:54 AM
Jan 2017

I can't tell you that the operational conditions necessary do not exist here. Coups work in countries where the capital city dominates the country.

You then need one third of the military and all the tank commanders on your side.

How, for example, would the couple leaders take over, Chicago, Denver, Portland and El Paso?

Next you have to control all the local TV and radio stations. Most Coups fail even when we'll planned, have the military component and need only take the capital.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
36. Will the heavily militaized police with their Humvee tanks do?
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 02:14 PM
Jan 2017

How many bridges and roads in and out of a city do you need to sew up?
What happens when BART/Metro/etc is told to shut down?

shut down BART, 3 bridges and blockade 280, and you have standstill in the Bay area.
Hell, one flat tire on any lane and you create gridlock now.

I found it quite worrying that some border Patrol people refused to obey the Judge's order.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
39. this is straight paranoia.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:02 PM
Jan 2017

You do realize that the Border Patrol "people" includes 8,000 agents hired under Obama that was more than 50% Hispanic officers and (for the first time) officers with same sex partners? I have 800;Federal LEO clients and they are not very political as individuals.

They last agent I met with wanted to know why it is taking so long to get single payer in the US. A very high percentage of BP agents are naturalized citizens and/or have parents/wives that are.

Individual officers should not be making decisions about what constitutes the latest court ruling that has to be sent from DHS headquarters, the reasons are obvious.

The issue of not following court orders was from a couple of tweets. The only relevant question is "after the stay did DHS repatriate anyone in violation of the court order?".

Finally you are referring to actions taken by CUSTOM officers of the CBP. Custom officers are members of the NTEU (Nat. Treasury Employees Union). The NTEU were early supporters of Secretary Clinton, so no I don't think a group of Clinton supporters is now on the precipice of assisting in a coup.

Things are bad. Things are going to get worse. That does not mean that we are on our way or close to a coup. We will win with facts and reason not fear and wild speculation.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
49. Just noting, local LEOs are poor forces for use in coups.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:00 PM
Jan 2017

Strange, dixiegrrrrl, how I and some others have been roundly condemned in DU for suggesting that everyone should keep their powder dry. Now it is upon us.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
42. There are coups and then there are coups
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:44 PM
Jan 2017

I have lived in third world countries under military dictatorships myself. With all due respect,those in power in Washington DC do indeed control the entire country. Denver has been taken over. No Muslim refugee can get past DIA. The EPA will no longer monitor the mountain streams and rivers which together feed into the city's water supply Colorado has a major problem with old uranium mine tailings and arsenic leaching out from the multitude of long defunct other hard rock mines in our mountains. Poisoned water will now begin to slowly (or quickly) poison the people of Denver. The Colorado health care system is wavering on the edge of collapse thanks to the eminent repeal of the ACA. The police in Denver have begun to threaten civil protesters with arrest. Denver is no longer a major city in a democratic country. It is a major city under an autocracy. The same is true Of Portland, El Paso and the rest. The current dictator doesn't need a third of the military - he has ALL of the military because he has the codes to send drones anywhere he pleases. The department of state has been gutted. Billionaire CEO's make up the Cabinet and call out the rules at whim and ignore the courts. This is not a democracy. This is not business as usual. This is not a free country. Look around you.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
46. what you describe has nothing to do with the word coup
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:32 PM
Jan 2017

A coup is a government taken by military force.

If this was a coup the federal judge would be under arrest.

Denver is not under control of a military or police government.

The over riding political movement in the US is apathy although it is improving.

Turns out that the opiate of the masses is a Playstation not religion. The facts are what they are. You could describe the current situation as a slow moving Constitutional Crises, but it is not a couple and none of the things you listed are elements of a coup. Changing the meaning of a word doesn't advance your argument.

brush

(53,776 posts)
54. It's not a coup in the literal sense, just missing the military element but they've taken over ...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 05:26 PM
Jan 2017

nonetheless.

It's an Orwellian/Sinclair Lewis-type coup since it was voted in.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
55. I have no desire to make war with my own side
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 08:00 PM
Jan 2017

Nor do I wish to argue semantics. I view the current situation as fast moving. You feel that it is slow. I view the abrupt dismissal of the acting attorney general with alarm - especially since she was dismissed for upholding the Constitution in defiance of a traitor who now occupies the highest office in the land. This despite the fact that he lost the popular vote and made an alliance with a foreign power long hostile to the United States in order to hack the computers of the Democratic Party and interfere with the United States election process. I agree with you about the apathy of the general public, thus I have begun to speak out, and I will no longer pretend that the emperor really has the clothes of legitimacy when in reality he has none. A Democracy requires both our voices and everyone else's as well. I use blunt words and strong language, but I also respect those with different views who can make intelligent replies such as your own. However, I will continue to make my arguments and call things as I see them. Pax.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
25. Oh, Hell Yes!
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:54 AM
Jan 2017

The only part I disagree with is the timing. The coup d’état against the United States was on election night back in November and the whole thing began with Citizens United. Once mega-corporations were given the same rights as individual citizens have, Democracy in the United States was over. Exxon Oil and the billionaire CEO's got tired of making their power plays in the shadows and have boldly stepped out on center stage with nothing to stop them. Naomi Klein is saying this, Noam Chomsky is saying it, Democracy Now is saying it. Everywhere I go on the Internet, reasoned, intelligent people are saying it and all are well sourced. The new dictatorship is moving swiftly to consolidate its power and shows no qualms about it.

Information and news has taken on a Cheshire Cat sort of quality and fades in and out to such a maddening extent that people just throw their hands up in the air and stop trying to understand what's happening. Meanwhile Traitor Trump's mindless band of supporters just keep on giving each other high fives. They'll find out the truth to their eternal sorrow soon enough.

Frankly, I feel somewhat frightened about all the things that just keep pouring down one horrible and unbelievable action right after another. I am disabled and can no longer work - ran through all my savings paying medical bills and putting a little food on my table. Now I'm dependent on a tiny check from SSDI, food stamps and a housing voucher. The plug is being pulled on Medicaid and I figure any day now, I'll wake up to find that I have no more access to medical care. And I am hardly alone - millions of low income people with disabilities, the elderly, children living in poverty all share my same plight. I am doing everything I can to fight back, but my resources and ability are so depleted that I don't know how much more of this I can take.

Would a DHS swollen with new numbers of officers turn on its own people? Why not? It's happened before - the constant references to Nazi Germany exhaust me as well. If anyone should read my reply and have ideas on how to fight back, please let me know and I'll do my best - as small as it might be.

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
27. The author's "Public request: Please don't turn 'coup' into the next meaningless buzzword....
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 07:15 AM
Jan 2017

((Yonatan Zunger))) ?@yonatanzunger 11h11 hours ago

Public request: Please don't turn "coup" into the next meaningless buzzword. That's how real things get ignored. Use it sparingly.
29 replies 250 retweets 1,111 likes

https://twitter.com/yonatanzunger




The author also provided (on Twitter) the link to a "thoughtful response" to his "Trial Balloon...."

https://tompepinsky.com/2017/01/30/weak-and-incompetent-leaders-act-like-strong-leaders/


--------------------------
Edited to add:

Here's another thought-provoking essay by Zunger:

https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376#.t06y5tdrv


BTW: Who is Zunger?

https://yonatanzunger.com/about/


jmg257

(11,996 posts)
30. SO basically winning the election in Novenember, having control of the house and the senate,
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:31 AM
Jan 2017

and soon the USSC, appointing those who mostly/completely agree with you to critical posts, is a "coup"...

Makes sense.

(seems the NSC stuff is a bit off, while trump private security force is interesting)


One thing the recent actions of the DHS show - those in positions of authority are more apt to do what they are told, instead of what's right.

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
41. so all this information
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 03:35 PM
Jan 2017

that we see here, will be going forth to impeach him or am just dreaming about all this. Are their people working behind the scenes to get this cabal just asking?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
45. hate to say, I have no idea...
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 04:32 PM
Jan 2017

Someone up thread linked to this:
https://tompepinsky.com/2017/01/30/weak-and-incompetent-leaders-act-like-strong-leaders/

which I just got around to reading
and this example explains why it is still difficult to tell "why" things are going on as they are:

President Trump may have brought Steve Bannon into the NSC because he is consolidating power and intends to sideline all regular establishment players in the formulation of American foreign policy.
Or
he might have brought Bannon into the NSC because he is so isolated that he needs someone who he believes he can trust, and everyone in the foreign policy establishment is dragging feet and dissembling.
The former is a sign of strength. The latter is a sign of weakness. Both have the same observable implication.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
58. Yes, guess it could be both.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:35 PM
Jan 2017

Reading about the difficulties of interpreting motives does give me pause, and reminds me if behavior focused therapy back in the day.
Don't have to know WHY someone is a bully, just focusing on stopping the behavior is sufficient at the moment.
Let the historians argue about that in the ensuing years, and make profit in their books.

'Course, with Nixon, it WAS pretty damn clear and present danger most of the time.
and Trump IS every bit as bad, so far.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
59. I'm more interested in the fact that millions of Americans chose this blatant liar, cheat, & bully,
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 09:43 PM
Jan 2017

with string of other very unadmirable qualities to be our president. I think he's worse than Nixon. Dangerous in more ways. And I know that the RW propaganda offensive is pretty much the main reason most people voted for him, but I do find it fascinating, though quite depressing.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
64. I can't believe republicans are oblivious to this or that
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 11:40 PM
Jan 2017

they will let it continue. I can't believe they will sit by and let the white house be stolen from not only us but them. They are going to have to act at some point and get rid of this SOB before they become his fluffers or whatever role he decides he wants them in.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
65. Sorry, i don't believe a coup is underway. I believe the coup is completed.
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 11:47 PM
Jan 2017

It was completed when Bannon moved into the WH inner sanctum. Putin has pulled this off masterfully. The only thing that will overturn this coup is the power of the people...the people who are informed, intent, relentless, compassionate, determined, and REGISTERED, WITH PROPER ID, AND WHO WILL VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS ONLY! I really believe we outnumber the willfully ignorant and bigoted.

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