Bannon compares himself to Thomas Cromwell, King Henry VIII advisor

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

If you've watched the Tudors Cromwell lost his head.

[raging moderate]

1. More like Rasputin, the crazy advisor to that Russian emperor.

As I recall, that did not end well either.

[Blue_Tires]

22. +1

[nikibatts]

32. That's what I was thinking.

Or how about Caligula?

[Vinca]

2. So there's hope.

[yuiyoshida]

40. If we could only be

so lucky.

[nycbos]

3. Yup

For

Here is what Henry VIII was like according to The Simpsons

[oasis]

4. I'll go with the Henry Vlll/Trump comparison, although Trump needs

to add 3 more wives to his ledger. Henry and Donald are both overweight, over bearing, puss filled, narcissistic assholes.

[meow2u3]

9. Puss filled?!

You mean to tell me they're all stuffed with kitties?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[oasis]

16. The aged, grossly overweight, Henry lll had an ulcerated leg that stunk up the room.

I can imagine his last couple of wives gagging from the stench.

[JNelson6563]

5. But first he did incredible harm to the country.

[KittyWampus]

12. Cromwell and the Reformation were a double edged sword.

[JNelson6563]

21. I don't think he was much driven by

religious fervor as much as achieving power/wealth/favor w/Henry.

An absolute terrorist to many and helped usher in a horrible period for people of the countryside.

[KittyWampus]

25. He also ushered in a separation of church and state which helped Elizabeth I

oppose Spain and it's Inquisition and dominance over Europe.

[JNelson6563]

33. Hmmm...

Wasn't that when church and state literally became one? Supreme Head of the Church/King And didn't it actually leave England very along and vulnerable for a time?

While the Inquisition didn't gain the foothold in England that it did elsewhere there was plenty of zealotry in different stripes in coming centuries.

I am in full agreement that Rome's monopoly being broken was a good thing. I just wish the "enlightenment" really had been just that. I contend though that Cromwell was a slimy one who didn't subscribe much to honorable motives. A peer of Machiavelli would be a more apt description.

[KittyWampus]

35. Elizabeth managed to straddle the line of tolerance. With the help of her spymaster.

Even though she fought and won against Catholic plots she managed to be relatively tolerant (for the time period).

And yes, England continued with back/forth between Catholic and Protestant but...

The Reformation paved the way for the Enlightenment.

[JNelson6563]

38. Ah, that's where we part ways.

I think it is clear the enlightenment
Has yet to occur.

Cheers.

[lapislzi]

30. He pushed too hard and too fast

The Cleves marriage was a tactical blunder. Cromwell got full of himself and forgot who his boss was, what his boss was capable of, and what his boss was actually saying to him at the time ("no Cleves marriage.&quot There was little tactical advantage to the Cleves marriage except some minor leverage against Spain/Holy Roman Empire in the Low Countries, which could have been accomplished by other means.

Anne of Cleves was a pawn deployed too soon and for the wrong reasons. Fortunately for her, she managed to escape with her life. Cromwell wasn't so fortunate, to his own ruin, and to the ruin of many who came after.

[MineralMan]

6. Yes. He should remember Cromwell's fate.

I do not like that nasty man.
I do not like him, Sam I am.
I do not like him in the lead.
I do not like him on my feed.
I do not like Steve Bannon, man.
I do not like him, Sam I am.

[Initech]

7. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

And we all know what happens to tyrants like Trump and Bannon.

[Generic Other]

8. The problem with not learning more history

[dalton99a]

11. That's hard work. The French had a machine.

invented much later of course

[Historic NY]

19. Off with his head...................well sort of...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/history/542444/Oliver-Cromwell-head-journey

[KittyWampus]

10. Cromwell broke up monasteries that provided charity and health care to the poor

and redistributed their property to the magnates to keep them quiet.

[KittyWampus]

13. He is closer to Vladislav Sarkov who is Putin's propaganda genius...

btw, the NYTimes did not publish my comment under their "President Bannon" editorial.

I said Bannon is largely following Vladislav Sarkov's methodology. Create chaos and political theater to break down reality and the opposition's resistance. It's a method to maintain control using less violence.

[dalton99a]

14. Yep, that's the guy. Democratic rhetoric and undemocratic intent.

[Blue_Tires]

23. +1

[KittyWampus]

24. Yes, keep shell of democracy as an illusion but strip away participation and freedom

[dembotoz]

15. bad omen for the first lady....and she thought divorce could be bad....

[dembotoz]

17. didn't hen 8 establish a new chruch with himself as head....fun to watch the evangelicals grovel

at his feet over this one....

[malchickiwick]

18. Cromwell had more smarts in his boogers than Bannon has in his whole body.

While he was indeed duplicitous and devious, Cromwell was a brilliant man, spoke multiple languages, stayed up on the latest knowledge emerging from the continent during a period we now call the Renaissance, and deeply understood what was happening in the world. Bannon is just a dumber, uglier, and less-hygienic version of pepe the frog.

BTW: I absolutely LOVE the Hillary Mantel series told from Cromwell's perspective: Wolf Hall and Bring Up the Bodies, with book three set to drop this year. HIGHLY recommended.

[Ilsa]

20. Oh, good. Let them compare themselves to

some of the most reviled leaders ever.

[Botany]

26. Well we all know how that turned our for Thomas C.

Can we just skip to the end now?

I'll bring the straw.

[longship]

27. Yup! What happened to him??

From Wiki:

Cromwell was condemned to death without trial and beheaded on Tower Hill on 28 July 1540, the day of the King's marriage to Catherine Howard. After the killing, his head was set on a spike on London Bridge.

[lapislzi]

28. I was thinking more of Grima Wormtongue

It ended badly for him, as well it should have.

Cromwell lost his head because he overreached with the Cleves marriage. It was a blunder that cost him his life.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. Will Bannon help Trump set up a new religion

so he can divorce Melanoma without paying alimony? And require everyone to swear an oath to the new religion? As noted above, it didn't work out well for Cromwell, and Henry, after going through several more wives, ended up a fat, bloated, diseased mess. The last wife outlived him.

[delisen]

31. INTERREGNUM Cromwell's Regime and Trump-Bannon Regime

We are in an Interregnum. A pause and interruption between the last Democratic Republic and the next Democratic Republic.

Cromwell's regime was the interruption in the monarchy.

[avebury]

34. Does he remember that Henry VIII had Cromwell killed? nt

[Rex]

36. WTF!? He is that delusional?

So his understanding of history is a warped, perverted one. Great. Just what we need.

[alarimer]

37. Who engineered the murder of two of Henry's wives.

Not sure this is someone to be emulated. Well, not by a decent person at least.

[GReedDiamond]

39. Losing his head would improve his looks...nt